How Honest are the Oil Barons?

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The numbers suggest otherwise. Of the 36 billion barrels of oil believed to lie on federal land, mainly in the Rocky Mountain West and Alaska, almost two-thirds are accessible or will be after various land-use and environmental reviews. And of the 89 billion barrels of recoverable oil believed to lie offshore, the federal Mineral Management Service says fourth-fifths is open to industry, mostly in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaskan waters.

Clearly, the oil companies are not starved for resources. Further, they do not seem to be doing nearly as much as they could with the land to which they’ve already laid claim. Separate studies by the House Committee on Natural Resources and the Wilderness Society, a conservation group, show that roughly three-quarters of the 90 million-plus acres of federal land being leased by the oil companies onshore and off are not being used to produce energy. That is 68 million acres altogether, among them potentially highly productive leases in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska.

With that in mind, four influential House Democrats — Edward Markey, Nick Rahall, Rahm Emanuel and Maurice Hinchey — have introduced “use it or lose it” bills that would force the companies to begin exploiting the leases they have before getting any more. Companion bills have been introduced in the Senate, where suspicions also run high that industry’s main objective is to stockpile millions of additional acres of public land before the Bush administration leaves town.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/opinion/19thu1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

There is anothe article that I can't find right now that shows that the major US Oil companies are getting ready to fnalize deals with no bid contracts for Iraqi oil. Now when that happens, our troops will be there forever to protect them.

It really was about oil and not democracy, WMDs, Mushroom Peyotes, etc.

Let's Nationalize the oil companies.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/opinion/19thu1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

There is anothe article that I can't find right now that shows that the major US Oil companies are getting ready to fnalize deals with no bid contracts for Iraqi oil. Now when that happens, our troops will be there forever to protect them.

It really was about oil and not democracy, WMDs, Mushroom Peyotes, etc.

Let's Nationalize the oil companies.

Deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back

Deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back - International Herald Tribune
 
heard on BBC this afternoon that China plans to reduce the subsidy it provides to keep its gasoline cheap for its citizens.

report said last year the subsidy last year was 1 percent of china's gdp

if they had tried to maintain it it would have cost like 6-7 gdp

report also said demand for oil is expected to drop (duh) and this is expected to cause a drop in oil prices.

really don't hear a lot about the effect of these subsidies on gas prices
 
heard on BBC this afternoon that China plans to reduce the subsidy it provides to keep its gasoline cheap for its citizens.

report said last year the subsidy last year was 1 percent of china's gdp

if they had tried to maintain it it would have cost like 6-7 gdp

report also said demand for oil is expected to drop (duh) and this is expected to cause a drop in oil prices.

really don't hear a lot about the effect of these subsidies on gas prices

Oil dropped $4 on this news today.

China had to. Their refiners are getting crushed because they have to buy oil on the world markets. Plus, subsidies are becoming a bigger part of the Chinese budget.
 
Let's Nationalize the oil companies.

Let's not.

If oil company/government collusion is a problem (and I'm sure it probably is), then how is giving government control going to solve anything? Imperialism is a government problem, not an economic problem. All types of government have engaged in it--democracies, republics, monarchies, dictatorships, socialist regimes, theocracies, etc.
 
Oil dropped $4 on this news today.

China had to. Their refiners are getting crushed because they have to buy oil on the world markets. Plus, subsidies are becoming a bigger part of the Chinese budget.

Same story in India. India's oil and gasoline subsidies are now eating up 3% of gdp, expected to rise to 5%+ next year. India has begun vastly reducing them now because they cannot afford to keep it up and the result is expect that upwards HALF of Inidas cars and motorbikes will be PARKED and idle by this time next year, reducing India's oil demand by as much 20%!

You won't hear that on NBC or CNN and you damned sure won't hear it from the large Wall St investment houses who have bet the remainder of their farm on oil the way they did on mortgages and houses....
 
course those Indians were smart enough to build them air cars right?
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/opinion/19thu1.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

There is anothe article that I can't find right now that shows that the major US Oil companies are getting ready to fnalize deals with no bid contracts for Iraqi oil. Now when that happens, our troops will be there forever to protect them.

It really was about oil and not democracy, WMDs, Mushroom Peyotes, etc.

Let's Nationalize the oil companies.


Do you have ANY idea what nationalizing oil would do to our economy? The government manipulating oil/gasoline prices to keep tham artificially low is what caused this problem to begin with.

If we're going to nationalize oil, how about nationalizing ALL oil assets and drilling wherever we can find it?

And what good is nationalizing oil going to do anyway? Most of the price of gas is tax to begin with. Our government screws everything else up ... what makes you think they could get this right?

And don't blame the GOP. You've got the Speaker of the House conducting foreign policy and Congress investigating steroid use in private business AFTER the so-called "change" Dems were supposed to bring about. They're no better than the Republicans that preceded them. But y'all suck that "change" shit right up. Remind me of a bunch of friggin' moonies.
 
But y'all suck that "change" shit right up. Remind me of a bunch of friggin' moonies.

Wrong once again. A lot of Dems are getting fed up with the do nothings that are in office right now. I will be voting against my incumbents.

Please don't make it sound like the Repubs did the right thing when they were in charge.:cuckoo:
 
We don't need to nationalize the oil coming out of NATIONALLY OWNED land.

We, the American people already own that oil.

Nationalizing oil companies, something I do not subscribe to, is entirely a different matter.
 
Wrong once again. A lot of Dems are getting fed up with the do nothings that are in office right now. I will be voting against my incumbents.

Please don't make it sound like the Repubs did the right thing when they were in charge.:cuckoo:

The proof is in the pudding. Republicans got tired of their encumbents so they didn't go to the polls in 2006. You know, that default "win" you Dems keep claiming as a "mandate?"

If EVERYONE, regardless political affiliation would do THAT, instead of taking a win no matter what it costs nor how it's come by, we might actually get some politicians back in office that give-a-damn what we think and fear our wrath at the polls.

But oh Hell no. They manage to pimp their little divisive issues on us and keep us hating each other instead of watching WTF they're doing and THAT is sucked up by most on both sides.

The fact is, neither side does anything on any issue except vote themselves payraises and dip further into our pockets to fund them investigating possible filming of plays in the NFL.

I'm sure we disagree on what exactly "doing nothing" is, but you have to agree that both sides are equally worthless except where it comes to blowing smoke up the citizens' asses and keeping us squabbling over stupid shit while they maintain the status quo of their power bloc.

A perfect example were the recent Presidential primaries. A libertarian ran on the ticket of each party -- Paul and Kucinich. Both parties and the media snubbed them and provided minimal and mostly negative coverage. THERE's your bipartisan action. Ensuring they keep both hands firmly on the Commerce Clause so they can continue usurping the states' rights while they have you bitching at some schmuck on a message board about shit that really doesn't matter.

Enjoy. It ain't going to change.
 
We don't need to nationalize the oil coming out of NATIONALLY OWNED land.

We, the American people already own that oil.

Nationalizing oil companies, something I do not subscribe to, is entirely a different matter.

Semantics, but I agree with your point. It would be nationalizing the oil companies, not the actual oil.

Can I use your argument down at the gas station when they ask for some coin? Hey! This shit's ALREADY mine! :lol:
 
I LOVE reading chicken little "the sky will fall" bullshit from free market capitalists who have given us exactly the economy that we complain about today full of rationalized outsourcing and a PWNED global strategy that allows japan, a CLOSED MARKET SYSTEM, to dominate the shit out of Americans.


For real, guys. Lather on your paranoid expertise a little thicker. Clearly, the current results support your ridiculous bullshit.
 
Semantics, but I agree with your point. It would be nationalizing the oil companies, not the actual oil.

Can I use your argument down at the gas station when they ask for some coin? Hey! This shit's ALREADY mine! :lol:

It can't hurt to ask, I suppose.

But in theory, you have ALREADY been paid for that crude by the oil company which is pumping it out of our land.

I say in theory, because I have like zero idea how much the American government is charging these oil companies per barrel.

Incidently, does anyone know what those contracts between the US government and the oil companies which pump our oil look like?

Not that I think they're all identical, but I have never heard or read how much money those companies pay us for our crude.

The fact that I really don't have a clue about those prices is, I think, actually rather odd.

One would think that information would be floating about all over the INFO-sphere.
 
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I LOVE reading chicken little "the sky will fall" bullshit from free market capitalists who have given us exactly the economy that we complain about today full of rationalized outsourcing and a PWNED global strategy that allows japan, a CLOSED MARKET SYSTEM, to dominate the shit out of Americans.

Japan does not dominate America. Japan has been in recession for 15 years and has serious long term problems.

If you want a pep talk about the Japanese economy, don't go see Atsushi Saito.

The head of the Tokyo Stock Exchange doesn't hold back when a Canadian visitor comes by his office expecting a simple rundown on the Japanese markets. Japan, he says, is walking toward the edge of a cliff. Unless it changes direction, the world's second-biggest economy faces financial ruin.

In an hour-long interview, Mr. Saito painted a grim picture of a country with a crushing national debt, a diminished stock market, a shrinking, aging work force and a ruling class too blinkered to learn from its mistakes.

Mr. Saito worked on Wall Street in the 1970s and remembers when New York faced bankruptcy. “We are in the same situation,” he said. “We are the City of New York.”

The difference is that New York had the U.S. government, which, after first refusing, helped rescue it from bankruptcy. “We don't have any Washington,” he said. So unless something changes, “we will have to sell our country to someone else.” ...

Mr. Saito said Japan's long-term problems are severe. The markets he presides over as president of the Tokyo exchange mirror the fall in Japan's fortunes, he said.

A second problem, he said, is Japan's immense national debt, which has climbed to 11/2 times its gross domestic product, the highest rate for an industrialized country. Throughout the “lost decade” that followed its 1989 market crash, Japan used floods of public money to try to spend its way back to economic health.

It has funded that debt partly by issuing bonds. In the next 30 years, Mr. Saito said, the government will somehow have to redeem $5.7-trillion worth of those bonds, a sum greater than Japan's current annual GDP.

“And we have to do this with an aging society and a shrinking work force,” he said. “How can we really redeem this debt – unless we raise productivity and economic growth.”

reportonbusiness.com: Purchase this article

According to the working-age population trend based on the differences on the assumptions of fertility rate in terms of high and low variant projections, the depopulation of this age group is rather slow due to the high fertility rate, and the population is expected to fall below 70 million in 2033. The depopulation continues down to 58.38 million in 2050 (see Table 2). The working-age population based on the low variant projections is expected to fall below 70 million in 2028, below 50 million in 2049, and eventually drop to 48.68 million in 2050 (see Table 3).

http://www.ipss.go.jp/pp-newest/e/ppfj02/ppfj02.pdf
 

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