How does an 'anchor baby' legally anchor his illegal alien parents ?

[peach174]

Yes, something needs to be done, But you way can't be done.

1. Secure the border.
2. Punish business and its people and the dividends of those companies hiring illegals.
3. Begin an immigrant path to legitimacy.

You way?
What you just listed is my way, it's some on the left that wants open borders.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, something needs to be done, But you way can't be done.

1. Secure the border.
2. Punish business and its people and the dividends of those companies hiring illegals.
3. Begin an immigrant path to legitimacy.

You way?
What you just listed is my way, it's some on the left that wants open borders.

I am glad I taught you something.

No one in his right mind wants open borders. We might have revolutionary socialists or far right or libertarian wacks crossing into our country.

 

[Lilah]

Because his parents were here legally under the Domicile Law under the Jurisdiction of California laws at that time.
They were not here illegally.
The 14th Amendment is not for Alien law breakers.

What law are they breaking?

US law.

Ergo, illegals are under our jurisdiction. Ergo, their children born here are citizens. Simple as that.

By the way, did you read the case? Wong Kim Ark's parents weren't allowed to become citizens due to bigoted laws in the US at the time which excluded Chinese from attaining citizenship.

As the child of parents of an excluded race, Wong Kim Ark was Chinese, and it was believed by your bigoted political ancesters the exclusion applied to him, too.

But thanks to the 14th amendment, it didn't.

Same for the children of illegals.

I noticed you ignored that his parents were here legally and not illegally.

Immaterial. Children born here, except for those of diplomatic parents, are citizens.

It is very much so material.

Nope. They are citizens, and the process can only be undone by an amendment or by SCOTUS, not the president or the congress.

1. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as ...

 

[peach174]

Yes, something needs to be done, But you way can't be done.

1. Secure the border.
2. Punish business and its people and the dividends of those companies hiring illegals.
3. Begin an immigrant path to legitimacy.

You way?
What you just listed is my way, it's some on the left that wants open borders.

I am glad I taught you something.

No one in his right mind wants open borders. We might have revolutionary socialists or far right or libertarian wacks crossing into our country.

You taught nothing.
I had the same ideology since the 1970's when I became an adult and old enough to vote.
Conservative, wanting our Government to be physically responsible and able to sustain the programs that have been passed without taking more that half of my paycheck and getting rid of the waste, fraud and abuse.

 

[Unkotare]

Trump will not issue an EO because he knows LEO would not obey it.

Congress will never pass such a law.

A minor citizen has every right to expect the government to ensure that is parents are permitted to stay.

there is no 'right' for that.....

Bringing in pregnant Chinese women is an industry.

Far more insidious than the Hispanic invasion.

Why "more"?

 

[JakeStarkey]

What law are they breaking?

US law.

Ergo, illegals are under our jurisdiction. Ergo, their children born here are citizens. Simple as that.

By the way, did you read the case? Wong Kim Ark's parents weren't allowed to become citizens due to bigoted laws in the US at the time which excluded Chinese from attaining citizenship.

As the child of parents of an excluded race, Wong Kim Ark was Chinese, and it was believed by your bigoted political ancesters the exclusion applied to him, too.

But thanks to the 14th amendment, it didn't.

Same for the children of illegals.

I noticed you ignored that his parents were here legally and not illegally.

Immaterial. Children born here, except for those of diplomatic parents, are citizens.

It is very much so material.

Nope. They are citizens, and the process can only be undone by an amendment or by SCOTUS, not the president or the congress.

1. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as ...

Exactly, by amendment. Thank you.

 

[Derideo_Te]

And who is utilizing demeaning terminology as a mechanism for expressing extreme contempt and disdain for those invaders.

The person you see in your mirror.

Oh, absolutely... guilty as charged... I use demeaning terminology directed against Illegal Aliens, as a measure of my contempt and disdain for them.

I will "make nice" about them again, once they return to their own side of the border.

Next slide, please.

Thank you for admitting to being a bigot.

And who is utilizing demeaning terminology as a mechanism for expressing extreme contempt and disdain for those invaders.

The person you see in your mirror.

Oh, absolutely... guilty as charged... I use demeaning terminology directed against Illegal Aliens, as a measure of my contempt and disdain for them.

I will "make nice" about them again, once they return to their own side of the border.

Next slide, please.

Thank you for admitting to being a bigot.

Nope.

I admit to being an American Citizen, loyal to my country and its people, rather than foreigners, and refusing to advocate for tolerance of the 12,000,000 Invaders now present upon United States soil without our express prior consent, and refusing to advocate for the continuation of the extending of 14th Amendment rights to the American-born offspring of Illegal Aliens, born while their parents were out-of-compliance with US Immigration Law. Oh, and also refusing to be Politically Correct, and to refrain from labeling them with disdain.

But what I am or am not doesn't matter in the slightest.

What DOES matter is that - after years of smug assurance that they were going to get in, after all - that Illegal Aliens may now be in for a very rough time.

Excellent.

Aren't you a Libertarian?

 

[Derideo_Te]

That is the dilemma that T-Rump wants to address by illegally deporting American citizens who are minors because their parents are illegal immigrants.

The INS should determine if the child has a parent who is gainfully employed and then provide them with a work visa and an application for residence.

That is called a path to citizenship and no one on the extremist rightwing wants that to happen even though these illegal immigrants are gainfully employed and will pay taxes like everyone else.

how about an orphanage set up for 'anchor babies' if the illegal alien parents want to leave him behind when they are deported back to their own country.....?

How exactly is that going to win over the "hearts and minds" of the Hispanic voters when you propose turning their children into orphans?

They can't vote because they are here illegally.

There are millions of Hispanic Americans who have the same voting rights that you do. They have become large enough to make the difference between winning and losing an election.

Your choice if you want to treat them badly and lose elections.

And you are going to be sure to tell that lie that they are being treated badly, aren't you?

I don't have to tell them anything at all.

They just have to hear the lies T-Rump and the rest of the extremist rightwingers are telling about Hispanics.

 

[g5000]

In the 1890s, Chinese foreigners in the US could not attain citizenship. There were bigoted laws on the books preventing them from doing so.

When Wong Kim Ark was born in the US to parents from China, the nativists felt that Wong Kim Ark was not allowed to be a citizen since he was of the Chinese race.

Though the law forbade his parents from being citizens, they were still under US jurisdiction, which meant Wong Kim Ark had birthright citizenship under the 14th amendment. So sayeth the Supreme Court in 1898.

Now we have modern day nativists who think the illegal status of the parents of a child born here means the child is not allowed to be a citizen.

They are wrong for exactly the same reasons as their bigoted political ancestors were in 1898. The parents of the children born in the US are under US jurisdiction. Therefore, their children have birthright citizenship.

His parents were not breaking the laws at that time and they were here legally.
Big difference.

Nope. That makes no difference. All that matters is whether or not the parents are under US jurisdiction.

You are going to have to prove illegals are not under US jurisdiction. And if they are not under US jurisdiction, then you will have to admit they are not breaking our laws.



You lose, dude. Sorry.

I am not a dude.
It means that they are breaking the immigration laws of the States and the Federal Government.

Illegals in this country thus are subject to our laws.

Which is why they are called illegal.

You can't be illegal if you aren't under our jurisdiction.

So are they, or are they not, babe?

 

[peach174]

His parents were not breaking the laws at that time and they were here legally.
Big difference.

Nope. That makes no difference. All that matters is whether or not the parents are under US jurisdiction.

You are going to have to prove illegals are not under US jurisdiction. And if they are not under US jurisdiction, then you will have to admit they are not breaking our laws.



You lose, dude. Sorry.

I am not a dude.
It means that they are breaking the immigration laws of the States and the Federal Government.

Illegals in this country thus are subject to our laws.

Which is why they are called illegal.

You can't be illegal if you aren't under our jurisdiction.

So are they, or are they not, babe?

We have laws for legally coming into this country, you break them then you are illegally here and it should apply to their children that are born here, just like the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers and we have the right to have these different opinions until it is taken up with the Supreme Court.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

 

[peach174]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

 

[peach174]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

The nation was founded by immigrants. They all become Americans just as these children are growing up to be Americans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

By "fail" you mean the republic of the generations of the Great Depression, WWII, and the Cold war has faded away and changed.

Yes. That is not failure.

 

[peach174]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

The nation was founded by immigrants. They all become Americans just as these children are growing up to be Americans.

LEAGAL immigrants, not open borders.

 

[Derideo_Te]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

The nation was founded by immigrants. They all become Americans just as these children are growing up to be Americans.

LEAGAL immigrants, not open borders.

What makes you believe that only legal immigrants have become Americans?

 

[peach174]

You have the right to any opinion.

And, right now, iaw SCOTUS, the children are citizens, and that's the end of it for now.

Not of illegal citizens.
SCOTUS has not ruled on that at all yet.
I have the right to take the same side as one of the Congressmen who helped to write the 14th Amendment.

Of course, you do, and you will fail. Go for it.

The Nation will fail if we keep going the way we are now.

By "fail" you mean the republic of the generations of the Great Depression, WWII, and the Cold war has faded away and changed.

Yes. That is not failure.

No I mean continuing with the polices of more unfunded government which will someday outsource our ability to pay the accumulated debt.

 

[Kondor3]

...Aren't you a Libertarian?

Nope. But what I am doesn't matter. What DOES matter is striking while the iron is hot, to beat back this 12,000,000 -strong invasion... and that iron is, indeed, getting hot.