How do you prove you are a US Citizens if you do not have a birth certificate?

[martybegan]

And when Nazis raided businesses and homes rounding up jews and communist, most Germans didn't consider it their problem. After all, some innocent people have to suffer for the greater good, right.

Oh god, a Godwin reference. Pathetic.

Controlling one's own borders isn't in the same ******* country as the damn Nazis.

Stop being such a ******* ****.

 

[Rawley]

That is the question I posed in this thread. How do you do that if you don't know your exact birthdate or where you were born?

Her mother doesn't know where or when she was born?

 

[progressive hunter]

Historically, Americans have resisted the idea of government identification. It smacks too much of the totalitarian states America has opposed historically. It creates a system in which Big Brother can more easy controlling lives of Americans.

Unfortunately, our lack of consistent immigration enforcement and fair laws and regulations have created an unworkable system that can only be managed by totalitarian measures which destroy the lives of both the innocent and guilty.

I believe what we have seen over the last few decades will continue, very liberal immigration polices welcoming migrants followed by brutal polices of mass deportation.

so youre OK that any person without proof can go get an ID with any name they can think of if they have a house they can prove they live in,,

seems youre not very concerned about the security of this country,,

 

[Flopper]

The Laws are fair. The enforcement is the problem. Biden and the Dims let in 20 million illegals. You cannot have a functional Nation with that kind of invasion. Trump is cleaning up Biden and the Dims' mess. Legal immigration is fine. Vet the people coming in and have an orderly and legal process. Letting in millions of unvetted people (mostly young men) is not acceptable to any rational person.

There is nothing fair about our immigration laws.

• We tell people around the world to “get in line” and apply legally but for a third of the world, there is no line. The average worker has virtually no chance of immigrating to the United States.
• We created the family visa program to allow U.S. citizens and permanent residents to sponsor relatives, but in some cases, this extends to dozens or even hundreds of distant family members, turning the program into a mockery of its original intent.
• Then there is 5 million dollar Trump residency card that allow the riches people in the world to bypass our immigration requirements.
• We invite some of the most talented young people in the world to study at American universities, only to deny them the opportunity to stay and work here. Instead, we send them home where they often become global leaders in their fields, benefiting other countries instead of our own.

Nor are they enforceable.

Donald Trump has already demonstrated that our immigration laws are not enforceable. He found this out during his first term. In a second term, he has declare a national emergency that would allow him to bypass existing immigration laws and much of the Fifth Amendment's due process protections. Under such an order, ICE and immigration courts could deport individuals, regardless of their legal status without a hearing and without allowing them to defend themselves.

Our immigration laws are about as fair and enforceable as a drug dealers promise to his junkies

 

[Anathema]

That is the question I posed in this thread. How do you do that if you don't know your exact birthdate or where you were born?

There’s a very good chance that she can’t. I’m assuming she doesn’t have a social security number/card either which will make it even more difficult

 

[MarathonMike]

There is nothing fair about our immigrations laws.

• We tell people to apply for immigration and wait in line but for a 1/3 of the world, there is no line. The average worker has no chance at all to come to the US.
• We created the family Visa program that allows US citizens and permanent residents to sponsor a family of hundreds of members which is a mockery of our immigration laws.
• We allow the most the most talented young people in the world to come to American for their education. Then we don't allow them to stay and work in the US, sending them back home to become world leaders in their field.

Trump has proven beyond any doubt that our immigration laws are not enforceable. He found that out in his 1st term. In his second term he declares a national emergency allowing him to set aside our immigrations laws and most the 5th amendment due process. This allow ICE and immigration courts to deport anyone regardless of legal status with no hearing and no rights for accused to defend themselves.

Are you unaware of the multiple visa programs available for workers? Do you know that about 10,000 farm workers a day travel back and forth across the border to work our farms? As I posted before, your housekeeper should try and register with DACA, assuming they are still taking new applications.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I truly hope your "house keeper" doesn't get deported because who is going to support the elitism on your plantation?

 

[the watcher]

so youre OK that any person without proof can go get an ID with any name they can think of if they have a house they can prove they live in,,

California, New York, and some other states have been sheltering illegals, giving them driver's licenses and ID cards for 25 years, and then they have spread out to other states and got their paperwork there, like a virus. Most of these states have their voter rolls and jury rolls linked to motor vehicle licensing. They themselves don't even know who's legal or not anymore. We had a shot at getting a half ass count of them with the 2020 census, but noooooo we don't want to know. It's such a mess now I don't think it can ever be straightened out.

 

[progressive hunter]

California, New York, and some other states have been sheltering illegals, giving them driver's licenses and ID cards for 25 years, and then they have spread out to other states and got their paperwork there, like a virus. Most of these states have their voter rolls and jury rolls linked to motor vehicle licensing. They themselves don't even know who's legal or not anymore. We had a shot at getting a half ass count of them with the 2020 census, but noooooo we don't want to know. It's such a mess now I don't think it can ever be straightened out.

it can be fixed,, just have to deal with the people orchestrating it,,

it wont be pleasant but it can be done,,

 

[Flopper]

so youre OK that any person without proof can go get an ID with any name they can think of if they have a house they can prove they live in,,

seems youre not very concerned about the security of this country,,

Or course I'm not OK with it. It has become necessary due our deeply flawed immigration system that Trump has replaced with dictates from a tyrannical leader.

People like my housekeeper and her two kids who have not violated our laws will probably suffer. If she just had 5 million dollar she could get a Trump 5 million dollar residents card.

 

[the watcher]

it wont be pleasant but it can be done,,

It has to be done, and some people are going to get their feelings hurt. The nice way of doing it was ignored.

 

[WelfareQueen]

And when Nazis raided businesses and homes rounding up jews and communist, most Germans didn't consider it their problem. After all, some innocent people have to suffer for the greater good, right.

Oh look, a Dim doesn't like something in the Trump Administration and makes a Nazi analogy. That never happens, right?

 

[Flopper]

California, New York, and some other states have been sheltering illegals, giving them driver's licenses and ID cards for 25 years, and then they have spread out to other states and got their paperwork there, like a virus. Most of these states have their voter rolls and jury rolls linked to motor vehicle licensing. They themselves don't even know who's legal or not anymore. We had a shot at getting a half ass count of them with the 2020 census, but noooooo we don't want to know. It's such a mess now I don't think it can ever be straightened out.

Quite a few states do not require proof of legal residency to drive, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington, as well as the District of Columbia. There is good reason not to require Proof of legal residency to drive.

Requiring proof of legal residency would increase the number unlicensed drivers and drivers without insurance or driver's education.

Keep in mind that not having proof of legal residency does not mean you are illegally in the US. It just means you don't have the piece of paper in hand.

 

[Flopper]

Oh look, a Dim doesn't like something in the Trump Administration does and makes a Nazi analogy. That never happens, right?

Actually, it happens quite a bit as King Trump exercises his powers.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Actually, it happens quite a bit as King Trump exercises his powers.

I applaud all the Trump name calling (i.e. "Hitler, Threat to Democracy, Nazi, etc.). It sure worked great for you kids last November.

 

[Zincwarrior]

How do you not have a birth certificate, or another document that requires having a birth certificate?

This story smells fishy.

I don't. Do you carry your birth certificate with you?

 

[Flopper]

It has to be done, and some people are going to get their feelings hurt. The nice way of doing it was ignored.

If by nice way, you mean the legal, constitutional way, Trump proved in his 1st term it could not be done or at least he couldn't do it.

So he set aside our laws and the constitution which works quite well. When you take away the legal rights from the people, it is amazing what you can accomplish.

 

[Blaster]

That is the question I posed in this thread. How do you do that if you don't know your exact birthdate or where you were born?

You don't know your birth date or where you were born?

 

[Rawley]

Or course I'm not OK with it. It has become necessary due our deeply flawed immigration system that Trump has replaced with dictates from a tyrannical leader.

People like my housekeeper and her two kids who have not violated our laws will probably suffer. If she just had 5 million dollar she could get a Trump 5 million dollar residents card.

She's been working off the books for more than a decade, she has certainly violated our laws. Her mother certainly violated our laws. The family that "adopted" her certainly violated our laws.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Pull out your six guns and execute the fuckers?