How do we stop "the poor" from being so problematic?

Jesus Christ was a man who traveled through the land
A hard-working man and brave
He said to the rich, "Give your money to the poor,"
But they laid Jesus Christ in His grave :dunno:

Jesus wanted people to give of themselves. He never once preached about government forcefully taking from people to give to the poor.

But Jesus did chase the money changers out of the temple. Now we give bailouts to the money changers.

Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
 
Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
Jesus said pay the Government what it says you owe OK ...he did not say pay Caesar except if Caesar has Social programs .... that is reality ...
 
Why does the right wing hate the poor so much, they don't want to pay taxes?
...because they believe the poor are poor due to a deficit in morality and that they pay too many damn taxes for immoral folks to lay about ...its a narcissism thing...Ayn Rand Madness...
 
Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
Jesus said pay the Government what it says you owe OK ...he did not say pay Caesar except if Caesar has Social programs .... that is reality ...


"The gospel tells us that Jesus was well aware of what his opponents were up to, and knew how to handle them. The annual poll tax on all adults was one denarius, equivalent to a day’s wages, and it had to be paid in Roman coinage. So Jesus asked his enemies to show him a tribute coin. (Years ago I had charge of a collection of ancient coins, including some small silver denarii dating from the reign of the Emperor Tiberius, and I occasionally fantasised whether one of them might be the actual Roman denarius handled by Jesus!) When they had handed one to him, he asked his enemies whose head and title were on the coin, and they had to reply that it was Caesar’s. Whereupon Jesus said, ‘well, then, if it’s Caesar’s, give it back to Caesar. And give to God what belongs to God.’ We are told that his enemies went away baffled, because, in modern colloquial terms, there was no answer to that."

Rendering unto Caesar?
 
Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
Jesus said pay the Government what it says you owe OK ...he did not say pay Caesar except if Caesar has Social programs .... that is reality ...


"The gospel tells us that Jesus was well aware of what his opponents were up to, and knew how to handle them. The annual poll tax on all adults was one denarius, equivalent to a day’s wages, and it had to be paid in Roman coinage. So Jesus asked his enemies to show him a tribute coin. (Years ago I had charge of a collection of ancient coins, including some small silver denarii dating from the reign of the Emperor Tiberius, and I occasionally fantasised whether one of them might be the actual Roman denarius handled by Jesus!) When they had handed one to him, he asked his enemies whose head and title were on the coin, and they had to reply that it was Caesar’s. Whereupon Jesus said, ‘well, then, if it’s Caesar’s, give it back to Caesar. And give to God what belongs to God.’ We are told that his enemies went away baffled, because, in modern colloquial terms, there was no answer to that."

Rendering unto Caesar?
That is exactly correct ....its the Government that prints our money too so just give it back to them for taxes... and Jesus was fanatical in his love for the poor ...he demanded folks sell their stuff and give it to the poor ....The Christians here in the US are the opposite....they are fanatical in their Hatred of poor people and declare the poor are poor because they are parasites and lay abouts...
 
Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
Jesus said pay the Government what it says you owe OK ...he did not say pay Caesar except if Caesar has Social programs .... that is reality ...


"The gospel tells us that Jesus was well aware of what his opponents were up to, and knew how to handle them. The annual poll tax on all adults was one denarius, equivalent to a day’s wages, and it had to be paid in Roman coinage. So Jesus asked his enemies to show him a tribute coin. (Years ago I had charge of a collection of ancient coins, including some small silver denarii dating from the reign of the Emperor Tiberius, and I occasionally fantasised whether one of them might be the actual Roman denarius handled by Jesus!) When they had handed one to him, he asked his enemies whose head and title were on the coin, and they had to reply that it was Caesar’s. Whereupon Jesus said, ‘well, then, if it’s Caesar’s, give it back to Caesar. And give to God what belongs to God.’ We are told that his enemies went away baffled, because, in modern colloquial terms, there was no answer to that."

Rendering unto Caesar?
That is exactly correct ....its the Government that prints our money too so just give it back to them for taxes... and Jesus was fanatical in his love for the poor ...he demanded folks sell their stuff and give it to the poor ....The Christians here in the US are the opposite....they are fanatical in their Hatred of poor people and declare the poor are poor because they are parasites and lay abouts...

Obviously you didn't go to the site I posted and with good reason. What Jesus said had nothing to do with the poor or government taking care of them.

Jesus also taught us that his followers should give the poor shelter. So how many homeless do you have living in your house?

Christians and Catholic charities raise all kinds of money for the poor. This might shock you, but they do it without government too!

Forced charity is not charity at all. Forced charity is theft. Theft is the act of forcefully taking ones property against their will leaving them with no reasonable alternative. Theft is also in God's top ten list of no-nos.

When you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
 
Why does the right wing hate the poor so much, they don't want to pay taxes?
...because they believe the poor are poor due to a deficit in morality and that they pay too many damn taxes for immoral folks to lay about ...its a narcissism thing...Ayn Rand Madness...
Should we insist the right wing, "practice what they preach" and require them to hire anyone who wants a job, in Right to Work States?
 
Yes, but Jesus never preached that government should confiscate money to give to the poor. Jesus taught us that we should be giving individually if you wish to follow him. You don't follow Jesus by having money taken from you and given to the poor.
Jesus said pay the Government what it says you owe OK ...he did not say pay Caesar except if Caesar has Social programs .... that is reality ...


"The gospel tells us that Jesus was well aware of what his opponents were up to, and knew how to handle them. The annual poll tax on all adults was one denarius, equivalent to a day’s wages, and it had to be paid in Roman coinage. So Jesus asked his enemies to show him a tribute coin. (Years ago I had charge of a collection of ancient coins, including some small silver denarii dating from the reign of the Emperor Tiberius, and I occasionally fantasised whether one of them might be the actual Roman denarius handled by Jesus!) When they had handed one to him, he asked his enemies whose head and title were on the coin, and they had to reply that it was Caesar’s. Whereupon Jesus said, ‘well, then, if it’s Caesar’s, give it back to Caesar. And give to God what belongs to God.’ We are told that his enemies went away baffled, because, in modern colloquial terms, there was no answer to that."

Rendering unto Caesar?
That is exactly correct ....its the Government that prints our money too so just give it back to them for taxes... and Jesus was fanatical in his love for the poor ...he demanded folks sell their stuff and give it to the poor ....The Christians here in the US are the opposite....they are fanatical in their Hatred of poor people and declare the poor are poor because they are parasites and lay abouts...

Obviously you didn't go to the site I posted and with good reason. What Jesus said had nothing to do with the poor or government taking care of them.

Jesus also taught us that his followers should give the poor shelter. So how many homeless do you have living in your house?

Christians and Catholic charities raise all kinds of money for the poor. This might shock you, but they do it without government too!

Forced charity is not charity at all. Forced charity is theft. Theft is the act of forcefully taking ones property against their will leaving them with no reasonable alternative. Theft is also in God's top ten list of no-nos.

When you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution, providing for the general badfare is not.
 
The minimum wage was established so employers couldn't screw their employees. Unfortunately for American workers, Republicans have done well in keeping wages low.

Republicans have done that? How?

I would rather have low wage jobs than no jobs at all. Did you ever ask yourself what the main culprits were for jobs leaving the US? If you guessed unions and taxation, you guessed right.

It's not governments job to force industry to pay people who don't want to better themselves. People have to better themselves in the working world. Minimum wage workers are in the 3% range of all US workers, and most of them are kids, retirees looking for something to do, or stay at home moms who can sneak out of the house and make some extra money for the family when the kids are in school.

Those Democrats are not thinking of people when they promote this minimum wage nonsense. They are buying votes and increasing taxation to the government at the same time. As the saying goes, the more you make--the more they take. It's all about them.

Blocking minimum wage increases.

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You'd rather have low wage jobs than no jobs at all? Isn't that what Americans have now?

If employers are screwing their employees, it is the governments job to make things right.

But employers are not screwing their workers. Screwing their workers is when they put in a week of work and not get paid.

If you were selling a used car for $15,000, and I agree to buy your car for $15,000, did you screw me??? Of course not. You set a price for your car and I gladly paid the price you asked for it.

So if a person willingly accepts a job for $10.00 an hour, how is the employer screwing that person who accepted that job?
Not paying an employee is a crime. Under paying an employee is immoral. Paying market wages is collusion.
 
The minimum wage was established so employers couldn't screw their employees. Unfortunately for American workers, Republicans have done well in keeping wages low.

Republicans have done that? How?

I would rather have low wage jobs than no jobs at all. Did you ever ask yourself what the main culprits were for jobs leaving the US? If you guessed unions and taxation, you guessed right.

It's not governments job to force industry to pay people who don't want to better themselves. People have to better themselves in the working world. Minimum wage workers are in the 3% range of all US workers, and most of them are kids, retirees looking for something to do, or stay at home moms who can sneak out of the house and make some extra money for the family when the kids are in school.

Those Democrats are not thinking of people when they promote this minimum wage nonsense. They are buying votes and increasing taxation to the government at the same time. As the saying goes, the more you make--the more they take. It's all about them.

Blocking minimum wage increases.

Google

You'd rather have low wage jobs than no jobs at all? Isn't that what Americans have now?

If employers are screwing their employees, it is the governments job to make things right.

But employers are not screwing their workers. Screwing their workers is when they put in a week of work and not get paid.

If you were selling a used car for $15,000, and I agree to buy your car for $15,000, did you screw me??? Of course not. You set a price for your car and I gladly paid the price you asked for it.

So if a person willingly accepts a job for $10.00 an hour, how is the employer screwing that person who accepted that job?
Not paying an employee is a crime. Under paying an employee is immoral. Paying market wages is collusion.

So who is it that decides what is underpaid? The market is the decider.

An employee is only worth as much as another person willing to do the same quality of job. I don't care how much education is involved, how much experience is involved, how much danger is involved.

We all think we should be paid more. But it all boils down to supply and demand.

When I was much younger in the early 80's I was repairing medical equipment. My company wanted me to go to electronics school after work, so I did.

After a few months, working full time six days a week, going to school three nights a week, and using any spare time to study got real old real quick. So I questioned my teacher about it. I asked what kind of money I could make (if I were not working) after I attended school for a year and got my FCC license? He told me about 16K a year. Unhappy with his answer, I asked again what a two year associates degree in electronics paid? He said about 18K a year. Hell, I was making more than that with the job I had, so I quit the school.

Electronics was very difficult at the time. It's all math and a good imagination. So why such little pay after all that money and time learning the trade? Because everybody and their mother wanted to be in the electronics field at the time too. Too much supply--almost no demand.

The same goes with hair dressing. Many young girls attend cosmetology school to learn how to style hair. That too takes a lot of training, and then there is licensing and government BS to get through. But hair styling is one of the ten lowest paid jobs to have. Why? Because nearly every girl wants to cut hair for a living.
 
When you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
Jesus only wants you sweetie to pay taxes when the taxes go to pay for flaming Napalm to drop on the poor folks in other countries...if that is what you want to believe go for it LOL

By the way I laugh at your term "confiscated" you only use it when the money goes to the poor and the elderly...the Confiscation is Only Good when it goes for KILLINGs
Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,754,886,448,763
 
What can and or will be done about it politically?
In keeping with current board rhetoric let's not be scared to get real honest here.
Our poor are our worst parents...they create more of their same.
Our poor suck the most government tit.
Our poor commits the most crime.
Our poor does the most drugs.
Our poor drinks and smokes the most.
Our poor have the most children they can't afford.
Our poor litters and vandalizes the most.
Our poor drives uninsured.
Our poor commits the most animal cruelty.
I could go on and on...and no Libby's, let's not deflect and divert to Wall Street criminals, big corporations..blah, blah, blah...Let's get real, let's get serious about our taxpayer draining bottom feeders....Whatta ya say?
I just knew when I saw the title of this thread it was created by an ignorant twat ( conservative) who thinks people choose to be poor.
 
Cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan
$1,754,886,448,763


This Money was Confiscated by The Government IN ORDER TO KILL PEOPLE...thank God it was not wasted on poor folks...that would have been like whipping Christ
 
When you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
How come you do not say a word about the thieving of people's money to wage war...think Jesus would love that ?
 
When you take YOUR OWN money and give it to the needy, that's a great thing. When you take other peoples money and give it to the needy and claim credit for yourself, that's liberalism.
Take youir own money and take your loved ones in order to wage war...but when you take my money to give it to War Profiteers that is Conservative Shit Eating
 
Why they have Intense Hatred for the Poor

"It is human nature to hate the man whom you have hurt." Tacitus - Roman Senator, Consul, Governor, Historian. - AD 56 - 117
 
No one should thank you for your tax dollars that go to social programs because it's not charity. It's your share of the cost of maintaining society. Just as your tax dollars maintain roads, street lighting, public sanitation, fire and police protection to make our towns and cities safer, cleaner, and healthier, so do social programs. Without these programs our cites would look like those in 3rd world countries plagued by disease, millions of people living on the streets and garbage dumps, food riots, and increased crime in every city.

There is taxation for the purpose of benefiting society as a whole. Charity is when you take money from one group of people and give it to another, and that's what you are advocating.

Then you categorize everything as helping society as a whole when it's not. As I pointed out, you can use benefiting society with a number of things from air conditioning in your home to hedges out in your front yard.

When I talk about benefiting society, I mean directly. Roads benefit us all directly because we all use roads whether you drive or not. A police department benefits everybody directly because even if you never call them, they are a deterrent to crime to some capacity, and it's illegal to take law into your own hands.

Education benefits society as much as government buying us a car so we can get to work in the morning. Education mostly benefits individuals, and since you want to pass the buck to people that have money, it's wealth transfer and charity--not benefiting society.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution that grants Congress the right, of expending on articles of benevolence, the money of their constituents."
James Madison, annals of Congress, 1794
But social welfare does benefit society as a whole, not just those that receive the benefits. There is ample evidence of the damage to society that occurs when people don't have food, shelter, access to healthcare, and when kids don't get an education. We all lose.

We all pay tax dollars for programs that we may not personally use, money for parks, money to protect wildlife, money to protect the environment, money to support museums, money for national monuments, money for space exploration, money for scientific research, money for recreation facilities, money for tribal lands, money for national and international disasters, and of course social welfare programs. These are all things we may never use, but they certainly make our nation, cities, and towns a better place to live.

And how much better place would it be to live when this country goes into default because of too much borrowing?

If you give people an easy way out, they will not try very hard. If people have a more difficult time, they will try harder.

Taxes should only be used if they are spent on directly benefiting everybody, because to use the excuse of indirectly benefiting anybody, just about anything can be put in that category.

Me going to work everyday benefits society. I can keep up my home to keep home values up in my neighborhood, I create tax money for my city, state and federal government that way, I don't have to use any government social programs, but because of those indirect benefits to society, that doesn't mean that government should buy me a car and pay my insurance so I can get to work and do these things.

Currently we do have people without homes, people don't have access to healthcare coverage (me being one of those people) and people not eating properly. But believe it or not, the country and society are doing just fine.
If taxes should only be spent on what directly benefits everybody this country would be a pretty crappy place to live.
No education for kids whose parents can't or refuse to pay
No tax dollars for national monuments or parks
No tax dollars for museums
No tax dollars trails
No tax dollars for wildlife protection
No tax dollars for natural disasters
No tax dollars for public beaches
No tax dollars for public swimming pools
No tax dollars recreation centers
No tax dollars for basic scientific research
No tax dollars for public restrooms
No tax dollars for sidewalks
No tax dollars space exportation
No tax dollars for outdoor concerts, fireworks, or fairs
No tax dollars for the facilities for the disable
No tax dollars for facilities for the mentally handicapped.
Etc.....

I won't go through your entire list, but I'll comment on a few:

Kids education: if we didn't have public education, then maybe people wouldn't have kids they couldn't take care of.

National monuments or parks. How does that benefit society as a whole?

Museums. Never been to one and probably never will. I've lived fine without them.

Trails: local tax dollars--not federal.

Public swimming pools, again, local tax dollars most likely voted on by the citizens of that city.

Space exploration: benefits all of society one way or another.

Tax dollars for concerts, fireworks and fairs. All could be paid for with an admission charge. Only those who want those things would pay for them. Again, paid for with local tax dollars and not federal.

Recreation centers. Again, how does that benefit all of society?

You see now that what I've been saying is true. You can put anything under the category of society benefits including entertainment.
If goverment supported only what everyone directly benefited from, this country would be a pretty rotten place to live. Our national parks and monuments, and museums would disappear. Our public beaches and seashores would be privately owned with little or no public access. Most public facilities for the disable would not exist nor public recreation centers, ect. It might be fine with you if there was no goverment supported museums because you don't use them but for me that would be a huge loss. It would be fine for me if there were no public facilities for the disable because I don't need them but that would certainly be a problem for my neighbor who is in wheelchair. I have no use of public beaches; haven't been to one in 25 years, however my grand kids couldn't imagine summer without the beaches and seashore.

So if government only supports what is of benefit to everyone, we all loose because there are many things in society we use that other do not which can not be effectively provide to the public by commercial interest.
 
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