How do we stop the impending EV train wreck?

[dudmuck]

I always support fair competition. That is NOT what is happening with the transition to EV. This is being ramrodded with massive government subsidies. IMO until we have designed the batteries to be recyclable and grids upgraded to handle the additional load, we should not be in this mad dash towards EV vehicles.

there are more than 295 million vehicles in the USA, and 1.5 billion vehicles worldwide.

So, throwing a few billion here and there for electric vehicles isn't a big deal relative to the number of cars. Reducing the demand for gas will reduce the price of gas. Pollution will be less, because internal combustion engines always pollute, but EVs only pollute if the power generation is polluting. Batteries will be recycled.

 

[martybegan]

Horses were eventually banned

eventually, and they weren't banned they were regulated. I still saw people use horses on the streets in NYC to go from the stable to the local park.

And that didn't happen until cars were established.

EV's are not even 10% established as equal replacements to ICE vehicles yet idiots like you cheer laws promising impossible goals. The real goal is limiting overall car ownership by anyone except the elites.

 

[fncceo]

There is almost no new investment in ICE R&D

Why would there be?

They just work.

The only thing they've changed in ICE vehicles in the past 2 decades is putting in more USB ports.

 

[ding]

The fastest way to get rid of a bad idea is to embrace it fully. Let people experience it for themselves.

 

[Woodznutz]

EV's are great commuter vehicles for city driving. Otherwise, their value is limited. You can bring a can of gas to an ICE car in the boondocks. If an EV needed a charge out there you can bet it would be done using a gas-powered generator.

 

[there4eyeM]

One necessary step is re-evaluating the taste for over-powered vehicles and choose reasonable alternatives.

 

[Captain Caveman]

there are more than 295 million vehicles in the USA, and 1.5 billion vehicles worldwide.

So, throwing a few billion here and there for electric vehicles isn't a big deal relative to the number of cars. Reducing the demand for gas will reduce the price of gas. Pollution will be less, because internal combustion engines always pollute, but EVs only pollute if the power generation is polluting. Batteries will be recycled.

EV's pollute 17% to 30% less than a comparative ICE vehicle, from production, using it, and disposal.

Not a lot really.

 

[ding]

EV's are great commuter vehicles for city driving. Otherwise, their value is limited. You can bring a can of gas to an ICE car in the boondocks. If an EV needed a charge out there you can bet it would be done using a gas-powered generator.

Assuming you have a way to charge it at night and the electric grid can handle the additional load for all the other EV's charging at night, sure.

 

[martybegan]

Assuming you have a way to charge it at night and the electric grid can handle the additional load for all the other EV's charging at night, sure.

Until a battery can be charged as fast as you fill a gas tank, the "No ICE vehicle" mandates are elitist, stupid, and wrong.

 

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Until a battery can be charged as fast as you fill a gas tank, the "No ICE vehicle" mandates are elitist, stupid, and wrong.

There are so many predictable surprises waiting to happen. I can hardly wait to gloat!!!!

 

[martybegan]

There are so many predictable surprises waiting to happen. I can hardly wait to gloat!!!!

My problem is I'm going to have to make sure to buy a new ICE vehicle around 2033 to avoid the 2034 panic.

 

[ding]

My problem is I'm going to have to make sure to buy a new ICE vehicle around 2033 to avoid the 2034 panic.

A lot can happen between now and then.

 

[Woodznutz]

Assuming you have a way to charge it at night and the electric grid can handle the additional load for all the other EV's charging at night, sure.

Many electric utilities spin down or idle some generators during off peak hours and many offer lower rates during those times. However, with increased demand during all hours rates will increase for all users.

Dependable nighttime power generation will require fossil fueled generators. Of course, nuclear is the only way to provide the electricity needed to provide power for EV's as well as other growing power needs going forward.

 

[ding]

Many electric utilities spin down or idle some generators during off peak hours and many offer lower rates during those times. However, with increased demand during all hours rates will increase for all users.

If you do the math, replacing all ICE vehicles with EV's would require the US to double its electric generation and transmission capability. That's a pretty tall order.

 

[martybegan]

If you do the math, replacing all ICE vehicles with EV's would require the US to double its electric generation and transmission capability. That's a pretty tall order.

And the increases won't be even throughout the country, or a State. Massive increases in load capacity will be needed in urban areas.

Of course if the whole purpose is to get people away from owning cars at all, the limits are a feature, not a bug.

 

[Woodznutz]

And the increases won't be even throughout the country, or a State. Massive increases in load capacity will be needed in urban areas.

Of course if the whole purpose is to get people away from owning cars at all, the limits are a feature, not a bug.

It's a common liberal tactic. In my city the liberal Common Council voted to eliminate the piers and diving boards from all the city beaches because it was reported that only young white men were using them. They didn't realize that most minority kids just didn't know how to swim and thus didn't frequent the beaches, and if they did they didn't go into deep water. The beaches are now no more than wading pools for women and small children. The only people that are happy are the fat, sickly, members of the Common Council.

This was once a very popular beach, complete with a large u-shaped pier and diving board. It was always crowded with people of all ages. Now the only people that come here are a few local sunbathers and mothers with small children that splash around in the shallows.

 

[rightwinger]

It's a common liberal tactic. In my city the liberal Common Council voted to eliminate the piers and diving boards from all the city beaches because it was reported that only young white men were using them. They didn't realize that most minority kids just didn't know how to swim and thus didn't frequent the beaches, and if they did they didn't go into deep water. The beaches are now no more than wading pools for women and small children.

This was once a very popular beach, complete with a large u-shaped pier and diving board. It was always crowded with people of all ages. Now the only people that come here are a few local sunbathers and mothers with small children that splash around in the shallows.
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I bet it was the Insurance Companies that forced the diving boards out.
They did the same thing with public swimming pools

 

[Woodznutz]

I bet it was the Insurance Companies that forced the diving boards out.
They did the same thing with public swimming pools

It was ostensibly done as part of budget cuts. Since then the city is flush with money but the piers and diving boards are still missing. We have and are still spending $millions on bike paths, however. It's been so long that people aren't aware of how great our beaches were.

Drownings and injuries were/are so rare at our beaches that liability isn't an issue.
Most of our smaller beaches don't have lifeguards. They have "Swim At Your Own Risk" signs posted.

 

[rightwinger]

Drownings and injuries were/are so rare at our beaches that liability isn't an issue.
Most of our smaller beaches don't have lifeguards. They have "Swim At Your Own Risk" signs posted.

B B Clark beach does

 

[Woodznutz]

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