How dependent R U on government...

[tonystewart1]

I need no assistance nor have I ever taken govt help.

No unemployment or welfare.

 

[Lovebears65]

Other than my military retirement, I've never taken government assistance, not even unemployment. I happily support these programs with my tax dollars however and am very glad these social safety nets exist.

Our military retirement that my spouse earned for serving 25 years. Thats it.

 

[old navy]

How dependent are you on the Government if you either a lifer in the military or a retired lifer of the military?

Are you a DEPENDENT of the government's largess in that case?

Just wondering.

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Quote: Originally Posted by aplcr0331
Gays make up about 5-7% of the population. Most gay people tend to be liberal and tend towards the creative side, i.e arts, music, fashion design, republican politicans, etc. Not the most likely bunch to be in the military. I bet the number of people who identify as Gay in the military will be less than 1% of the entire force.

Such a small minority is inconsequential. Meaning we can pay them no mind. As in, who cares? Gay or not...do your job.
I have no idea about what the military looks like now.

But when I was serving, no place I EVER WORKED had a higher percentage of GAYS than in the militiary.

ESPECIALLY among the LIFER CLASS.

Of course now that being out of the closet is common, I don't doubt that the percentage of gay men staying in the service until retirement is probably lower than it was back then.

Hey Eddie,

Why do you have such a hard on for career military personnel? Remember that dumb-ass post you made on 8-20-11 about gay lifers?

Were you such a fuck-up that the LIFERS were on your ass so much you thought they were gay? You probably enjoyed it.

As far as being dependent on the government just cause I get military retirement, no actually, I do pretty well with my other sources of income. My retirement benefits are fulfilled promises from a grateful nation. Including you Eddie. You are grateful that I looked over you for all those years so you could write your stupid comments on Al Gore's amazing Internet. Aren't you Eddie. Now say thank you.

 

[Jackson]

From what I hear, the people here used government assistance as it was intended, a temporary help during times of crisis. I believe the problem came about when some interpreted as a way of life.

 

[Jackson]

How dependent are you on the Government if you either a lifer in the military or a retired lifer of the military?

Are you a DEPENDENT of the government's largess in that case?

Just wondering.

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Quote: Originally Posted by aplcr0331
Gays make up about 5-7% of the population. Most gay people tend to be liberal and tend towards the creative side, i.e arts, music, fashion design, republican politicans, etc. Not the most likely bunch to be in the military. I bet the number of people who identify as Gay in the military will be less than 1% of the entire force.

Such a small minority is inconsequential. Meaning we can pay them no mind. As in, who cares? Gay or not...do your job.
I have no idea about what the military looks like now.

But when I was serving, no place I EVER WORKED had a higher percentage of GAYS than in the militiary.

ESPECIALLY among the LIFER CLASS.

Of course now that being out of the closet is common, I don't doubt that the percentage of gay men staying in the service until retirement is probably lower than it was back then.

Hey Eddie,

Why do you have such a hard on for career military personnel? Remember that dumb-ass post you made on 8-20-11 about gay lifers?

Were you such a fuck-up that the LIFERS were on your ass so much you thought they were gay? You probably enjoyed it.

As far as being dependent on the government just cause I get military retirement, no actually, I do pretty well with my other sources of income. My retirement benefits are fulfilled promises from a grateful nation. Including you Eddie. You are grateful that I looked over you for all those years so you could write your stupid comments on Al Gore's amazing Internet. Aren't you Eddie. Now say thank you.

Thank you for your service, Old Navy.

 

[Jackson]

Other than my military retirement, I've never taken government assistance, not even unemployment. I happily support these programs with my tax dollars however and am very glad these social safety nets exist.

Thank you for your long service in the military!

 

[NYcarbineer]

...social programs??? I'm talking about food stamps/welfare handouts, social security, medi care, subsidized housing, employment etc. Please pick one of the below answers that best gives your level of dependency upon government wealth redistribution programs for your personal survival...

1) I need no assistance let alone social programs.

2) 20% or below.

3) 20% to 40%.

4) 40% to 60%

5) 60% to 80%.

6) The welfare state is my sole provider.

I'm asking this question for I have a pretty good idea that the social programs are going to be going on a severe 'diet' here very shortly. The folks in the 20% or less dependency class will weather the cuts the best. Those with a higher level of government dependency are going to have to learn to start 'picking shit with the chickens' for sure... like living in a pickup & camper in the parking lots of Wally World looks to be the wave of the future!!!

None. In fact, since I'm single with no dependents, I pay a tax rate that is as high as anyone in my income range.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I collected unemployment for six months back in 1989.

That's my story.... sad but true.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Keep in mind, no one who posts in this thread has to prove anything.

 

[Jarhead]

I depend on government to defend our shores.
I depend on local, state and federal government to keep our infrastructurte at a state that is usable so I may live my life, my family can live their lives, and I can run my business.

I do not capitalize on their entitlement services. Never have. Even when I was unemployed., I did not file....i simply got a job as a bagger at a grocery store until I got something better.

 

[old navy]

you're welcome Jackson

 

[Moonglow]

Thank you to all vets and current members for their service to this great nation

 

[Hardball_Refuge]

...social programs??? I'm talking about food stamps/welfare handouts, social security, medi care, subsidized housing, employment etc. Please pick one of the below answers that best gives your level of dependency upon government wealth redistribution programs for your personal survival...

1) I need no assistance let alone social programs.

2) 20% or below.

3) 20% to 40%.

4) 40% to 60%

5) 60% to 80%.

6) The welfare state is my sole provider.

I'm asking this question for I have a pretty good idea that the social programs are going to be going on a severe 'diet' here very shortly. The folks in the 20% or less dependency class will weather the cuts the best. Those with a higher level of government dependency are going to have to learn to start 'picking shit with the chickens' for sure... like living in a pickup & camper in the parking lots of Wally World looks to be the wave of the future!!!

-For starters, you need to add The Mortgage Interest Deduction Program. That is the largest federal subsidized housing program that exists. It is far larger than any HUD subsidized housing program. Anyone who owns a home and deducts their interest when filing their taxes is a participant.

Next, I'd add to the list public education. Anyone who has attended a public grammar, high school, college or university has taken advantage of this government service.

Lastly, there are things like, roads, airports, bridges, hospitals and the like. All of these things would not be available to the extent they are without the government participating at some level.

As to the list above, it is worth noting that some would argue social security and unemployment insurance should not be lumped in with the safety-net programs. Folks pay in to social security and unemployment and the payout is scaled to what is paid in.

As to the safety-net programs: well, I guess a society has to decide how they want to care for the least among them...

 

[DaGoose]

...social programs??? I'm talking about food stamps/welfare handouts, social security, medi care, subsidized housing, employment etc. Please pick one of the below answers that best gives your level of dependency upon government wealth redistribution programs for your personal survival...

1) I need no assistance let alone social programs.

2) 20% or below.

3) 20% to 40%.

4) 40% to 60%

5) 60% to 80%.

6) The welfare state is my sole provider.

I'm asking this question for I have a pretty good idea that the social programs are going to be going on a severe 'diet' here very shortly. The folks in the 20% or less dependency class will weather the cuts the best. Those with a higher level of government dependency are going to have to learn to start 'picking shit with the chickens' for sure... like living in a pickup & camper in the parking lots of Wally World looks to be the wave of the future!!!

My dependence is of a different nature.

I depend on the government giving everyone else tax breaks but expect to pay the full amount.

I depend on government to make a simple building permit request, turned into a federal case with environmental reviews. I depend on government to raise property taxes when the gains are only of imagination.

When my family first started out. We were the wrong color for assistance. You see you dont get any breaks for taking on the responsibility of raising someone elses children.

I also depend on the government to keep penalizing me for being married. A great revenue generator.

I need no assistance nor have I ever taken govt help.

No unemployment or welfare.

Just keep in mind that unless you construct your own roads, provide your own police and fire protection, clean your own water and treat your own waste then you're STILL dependant somewhat on the government.

 

[Full-Auto]

...social programs??? I'm talking about food stamps/welfare handouts, social security, medi care, subsidized housing, employment etc. Please pick one of the below answers that best gives your level of dependency upon government wealth redistribution programs for your personal survival...

1) I need no assistance let alone social programs.

2) 20% or below.

3) 20% to 40%.

4) 40% to 60%

5) 60% to 80%.

6) The welfare state is my sole provider.

I'm asking this question for I have a pretty good idea that the social programs are going to be going on a severe 'diet' here very shortly. The folks in the 20% or less dependency class will weather the cuts the best. Those with a higher level of government dependency are going to have to learn to start 'picking shit with the chickens' for sure... like living in a pickup & camper in the parking lots of Wally World looks to be the wave of the future!!!

My dependence is of a different nature.

I depend on the government giving everyone else tax breaks but expect to pay the full amount.

I depend on government to make a simple building permit request, turned into a federal case with environmental reviews. I depend on government to raise property taxes when the gains are only of imagination.

When my family first started out. We were the wrong color for assistance. You see you dont get any breaks for taking on the responsibility of raising someone elses children.

I also depend on the government to keep penalizing me for being married. A great revenue generator.

I need no assistance nor have I ever taken govt help.

No unemployment or welfare.

Just keep in mind that unless you construct your own roads, provide your own police and fire protection, clean your own water and treat your own waste then you're STILL dependant somewhat on the government.

The state does those things, Why do I need the feds doing it?

 

[uscitizen]

I am very dependent on the governments road systems, water systems, fire and police protections, etc.
As are we all.

 

[DaGoose]

My dependence is of a different nature.

I depend on the government giving everyone else tax breaks but expect to pay the full amount.

I depend on government to make a simple building permit request, turned into a federal case with environmental reviews. I depend on government to raise property taxes when the gains are only of imagination.

When my family first started out. We were the wrong color for assistance. You see you dont get any breaks for taking on the responsibility of raising someone elses children.

I also depend on the government to keep penalizing me for being married. A great revenue generator.

I need no assistance nor have I ever taken govt help.

No unemployment or welfare.

Just keep in mind that unless you construct your own roads, provide your own police and fire protection, clean your own water and treat your own waste then you're STILL dependant somewhat on the government.

The state does those things, Why do I need the feds doing it?

Actually it's a combination of state and local governments along with help via grants from the Feds (like unemployment). But government is government.

 

[Hardball_Refuge]

But government is government.
-Agreed...

 

[Jarhead]

I am very dependent on the governments road systems, water systems, fire and police protections, etc.
As are we all.

yes...as I said earlier in this thread.
However, that is what many of us believe government is for and thus why we pay our taxes.

As it pertains to other things? There is a valid debate on both sides.

 

[editec]

How dependent are you on the Government if you either a lifer in the military or a retired lifer of the military?

Are you a DEPENDENT of the government's largess in that case?

Just wondering.

I guess. I'd have to get another job or send the little woman off to work without it, so I suppose I'm "dependent" on government largess in a way

.

You suppose you are? Sounds like you are to me, amigo.

Of course, I served 20 years to EARN that largess

Yes, you were dependent on the government to pay your bills while you worked, and now you are (quite rightly I note) entitled to the retirement benefits that came with your job.

But you ARE and WERE part of our government's over-spending problems, too.

Pretending, as so many military folks here tend to do, that THEY deserve everything they're worked for, while cops firemen, teachers, other government and private industry workers are all socialist parsites is the heighth of hypocracy.

The military is, using the goofy definition most RW cranks here use it, a 100% SOCIALIST system.

The government that controls it takes money from people by force and uses it in ways we do not all agree to, does it not?


The military doesn't create jobs, it doesn't increase the GDP it feeds off the GDP, if one is using the same flawed arguments that the RW cranks on this board use when they rail about government spending and socialism.