How Dem House of Rep's Can Finish Off Republicans in 2020

[JoeB131]

No, it was because clinton had to flip flop on taxes and reduce, along with working with a republican congress. Thats why it boomed.

Not really... the "Contract on America" went nowhere....

We had an economic boom because of things the Repubicans were dead set against. Mostly making the rich pay their fair share and showing fiscal responsibility.

 

[Lumpy 1]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Works on the assumption that Americans are smart enough to understand the tax legislation when most of us can't even figure out how to fill out our own 1040's.

All that said, what happens in 2020 will depend on a couple of things.

1) The state of the economy.. If the economy is still where it's at now, Trump will probably be re-elected. He might even be legitimately elected this time without help from the Anachronistic College or the Russians. If the economy is in the shitter, he's toast.

2) Do conservatives - real conservatives - mount a challenge to Trump in the primaries or in a third party.

3) Do the Democrats find a good candidate this time. My biggest worry about 2020 is that the Bernie Bros manage to bully some nut into the nomination.... proposing a lot of crazy stuff Americans just won't go for.

Democrats will blow their opportunity, it's inevitable..

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Why? Please be very detailed with your answer.

.... because Democrats run on, "feelings" over common sense and pragmatic solutions...

.. and they are generally too lazy to do their own research...

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[kyzr]

The top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 90%, so why wouldn't they pay 90% of the taxes?

It's like this: If our federal tax rate was 0%, the federal government would collect 0 dollars. If our federal tax rate was 100%, the federal government would still collect 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to create wealth?

Then there is this "of the wealth" myth, as if there was only so much money, and some took too much of it. There is no "the wealth." Wealth is endless in this country. The reason many have less than others is not because somebody has more. We do not live in a bubble where X dollars exist. If that were so, then if I went to the bank for a car loan, they would tell me I can't have one because the rich have all the money. Or if I asked my employer for a raise, he would say he'd love to give me one, but the rich people have all the money. That's never happened to any person in this country.

"What is your fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

Too much bullshit to reply to. Its very simple. The IRS needs money for the government to function. Currently the coxuckers are borrowing about $900b a year on top of the $21T they already borrowed. The interest on that Debt is $363b and is almost as much as Medicaid or Welfare. In 10 years it will be more than Defense. Someone needs to pay the bills, the top 10% have gained wealth over the last several decades compared to the rest of us, and as Willie Sutton would say, "that's where the money is"., see charts below. Paying a few % more won't kill them....

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The fallacy is that when you increase taxes on the wealthy, they just hold their pants pockets open so you have an easier time getting to their wallets.

It doesn't work that way in the real world. In the real world, wealthy people find ways around taxes. If they can't, they increase their wealth which usually means not giving employees raises, increasing the cost of their products, opening overseas manufacturing. There are all kinds of ways.

Right now business is going crazy because people are making investments. They have the resources to do so.

Penalizing success and rewarding failure never leads to anything good in the long run.

Spare me the GOP talking points, I'm GOP and stopped drinking the "Tax-Cut KoolAde", I see the Debt exploding. The Budget Deficit needs to be addressed, and soon. If the GOP won't fix it then the dems will get a turn. You can try your tax cut bullshit on them and their IRS appointees.
The Corporate tax cut can stay, we're only talking about personal tax rates, or adding a VAT.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Great idea. Let the rich pay for the middle and lower class tax breaks this time. Ir's well past their turn.

Since they pay more taxes than anyone (with 45% not paying any federal taxes), please explain how it is pas theri time.

Or admit yourself as the squawking parrot you are.

 

[longknife]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

There's not a chance in hades that the House will have anything to do with the 2020 elections other than help the GOP regain control of the House and further extend the majority in the Senate. President Trump will win in a landslide almost equal to President Reagan's.

 

[Hellokitty]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Wait didn't they already try this under Obama with the Occupy Wall Street protests going after all the fat cat bankers, evil hedge fund managers and 1%?

 

[Oldstyle]

Um guy, if they were so popular among the middle class, the dems wouldn't have been landslided in 1994. You don't need to lie about what really happened in the 1990's.

We know what happened in the 1990's... Clinton gave us prosperity, and you shits impeached him over a blow job.

We got prosperity and balanced budgets because of the Dot Com Boom, Joey!

Yes, yes, the mysterious "Dot Com" boom.... you guys keep telling yourself that myth....

Clinton gave us an awesome economy, and then Bush came along, fucked it up, gave us war, recessions and trillion dollar deficits... and you guys thought that was awesome...

...because you are ******* stupid.

He got impeached for lying under oath...not for a blow job. We have this "silly" rule that says when you are sworn to tell the truth and you don't...you get in trouble! It's kind of what our whole legal system is based on. The Clinton's never seemed to grasp the whole "truth" thing though...

Oh, so now the Dot Com Boom is a "myth"? It wasn't what caused that booming economy back then? Really, Joey? So what DID cause all of that economic growth?

The economy was already headed down before Clinton left office. The war that you claim Bush "gave" us was already being planned by Osama bin Laden and would have taken place no matter who followed Clinton into the Oval Office! You'd know that if you weren't such an ignorant ideologue!

 

[The VOR]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Works on the assumption that Americans are smart enough to understand the tax legislation when most of us can't even figure out how to fill out our own 1040's.

All that said, what happens in 2020 will depend on a couple of things.

1) The state of the economy.. If the economy is still where it's at now, Trump will probably be re-elected. He might even be legitimately elected this time without help from the Anachronistic College or the Russians. If the economy is in the shitter, he's toast.

2) Do conservatives - real conservatives - mount a challenge to Trump in the primaries or in a third party.

3) Do the Democrats find a good candidate this time. My biggest worry about 2020 is that the Bernie Bros manage to bully some nut into the nomination.... proposing a lot of crazy stuff Americans just won't go for.

Democrats will blow their opportunity, it's inevitable..

.

Why? Please be very detailed with your answer.

.... because Democrats run on, "feelings" over common sense and pragmatic solutions...

.. and they are generally too lazy to do their own research...

.

That's just more nutter bullshit.

 

[Dana7360]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

The senate will never pass that.

What will be trumps downfall is his crimes and conspiring with russians.

The democrats in the House will do a proper investigation into all of it. By the time they're done I would be very surprised if trump will be reelected.

 

[Dana7360]

Trump will veto it. There is no way he will allow himself or his criminal family pay more taxes. Not gonna happen.

And that is rhe point. Trump and Republicans will deny citizens a tax break for selfish greedy reasons. The only way Americans will get a break is by getting rid of Trump and Republicans.

No one in America needs a tax break. We don't have enough money to pay our bills as it is.

What most in America needs is a raise in pay. With the exception of CEOs excutives and those who only live on unearned income. They don't need a raise in pay.

It's stupid to get our nation into more debt so that employers can get out of their responsibility to pay people a living wage. If they can't or won't do that they have no business owning a company.

The only authority the government should have to raise pay is to raise the minimum wage. Doing that one simple thing will raise everyone's pay and standard of living. Along with increasing circulation of money throughout the economy and increasing tax revenues.

It just allows business to keep paying low wages while creating more debt for our nation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump will veto it. There is no way he will allow himself or his criminal family pay more taxes. Not gonna happen.

And that is rhe point. Trump and Republicans will deny citizens a tax break for selfish greedy reasons. The only way Americans will get a break is by getting rid of Trump and Republicans.

No one in America needs a tax break. We don't have enough money to pay our bills as it is.

What most in America needs is a raise in pay. With the exception of CEOs excutives and those who only live on unearned income. They don't need a raise in pay.

It's stupid to get our nation into more debt so that employers can get out of their responsibility to pay people a living wage. If they can't or won't do that they have no business owning a company.

The only authority the government should have to raise pay is to raise the minimum wage. Doing that one simple thing will raise everyone's pay and standard of living. Along with increasing circulation of money throughout the economy and increasing tax revenues.

It just allows business to keep paying low wages while creating more debt for our nation.

Yet you are responsible for doing the exact same thing, but it's okay when you do it.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Behold, the real reason the commies are so upset. They lost a 100-year strangle-hold on the SCOTUS.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The top 1% own more wealth than the bottom 90%, so why wouldn't they pay 90% of the taxes?

It's like this: If our federal tax rate was 0%, the federal government would collect 0 dollars. If our federal tax rate was 100%, the federal government would still collect 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to create wealth?

Then there is this "of the wealth" myth, as if there was only so much money, and some took too much of it. There is no "the wealth." Wealth is endless in this country. The reason many have less than others is not because somebody has more. We do not live in a bubble where X dollars exist. If that were so, then if I went to the bank for a car loan, they would tell me I can't have one because the rich have all the money. Or if I asked my employer for a raise, he would say he'd love to give me one, but the rich people have all the money. That's never happened to any person in this country.

"What is your fair share of what somebody else worked for?"
Thomas Sowell

Too much bullshit to reply to. Its very simple. The IRS needs money for the government to function. Currently the coxuckers are borrowing about $900b a year on top of the $21T they already borrowed. The interest on that Debt is $363b and is almost as much as Medicaid or Welfare. In 10 years it will be more than Defense. Someone needs to pay the bills, the top 10% have gained wealth over the last several decades compared to the rest of us, and as Willie Sutton would say, "that's where the money is"., see charts below. Paying a few % more won't kill them....

View attachment 228424

The fallacy is that when you increase taxes on the wealthy, they just hold their pants pockets open so you have an easier time getting to their wallets.

It doesn't work that way in the real world. In the real world, wealthy people find ways around taxes. If they can't, they increase their wealth which usually means not giving employees raises, increasing the cost of their products, opening overseas manufacturing. There are all kinds of ways.

Right now business is going crazy because people are making investments. They have the resources to do so.

Penalizing success and rewarding failure never leads to anything good in the long run.

Spare me the GOP talking points, I'm GOP and stopped drinking the "Tax-Cut KoolAde", I see the Debt exploding. The Budget Deficit needs to be addressed, and soon. If the GOP won't fix it then the dems will get a turn. You can try your tax cut bullshit on them and their IRS appointees.
The Corporate tax cut can stay, we're only talking about personal tax rates, or adding a VAT.

The problem is not that we aren't collecting enough money, the problems is we are spending too much and on stupid things to boot.

 

[g5000]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Every tax expenditure must go. Even the ones which are falsely claimed to help the middle class.

After all, the mortgage interest deduction benefits the rich as well as the middle class, but it benefits the rich more. It is a progressive tax expenditure.

If we eliminate all tax expenditures, then we can easily balance the budget and lower tax rates for everyone.

 

[g5000]

The funny thing is, eliminating tax expenditures is a core conservative principle. It is not a Democratic principle.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, it was because clinton had to flip flop on taxes and reduce, along with working with a republican congress. Thats why it boomed.

Not really... the "Contract on America" went nowhere....

We had an economic boom because of things the Repubicans were dead set against. Mostly making the rich pay their fair share and showing fiscal responsibility.

The Dangerous Myth About The Bill Clinton Tax Increase

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Every tax expenditure must go. Even the ones which are falsely claimed to help the middle class.

After all, the mortgage interest deduction benefits the rich as well as the middle class, but it benefits the rich more. It is a progressive tax expenditure.

If we eliminate all tax expenditures, then we can easily balance the budget and lower tax rates for everyone.

Well then write to President Trump and tell him Thank You for eliminating the mortgage deduction on homes over 800K.

 

[bendog]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

It's not a bad idea. Take the second tax cut, the individual cuts, proceeds .... raise rates slightly on the 1% and reduce the taxes of all filers actually paying federal taxes who make less than 125K, and reinstate the deductions for state and local taxes. But the dims will want to send money to those not paying taxes.

 

[bendog]

House Democrat's can finish off Republicans in both the Senate and House of Rep's and take back rhe White House opening an opportunity to pack federal courts, including the Supreme Court with overwhelming liberal judges.

Tax reform can change America in one masterful plan. All the House must do is propose large tax cuts for the middle and lower tax brackets and eliminate all the breaks and loopholes going to the super high upper-income folks and obscenely rich. America will love the plan and flock to the voting polls.

Every tax expenditure must go. Even the ones which are falsely claimed to help the middle class.

After all, the mortgage interest deduction benefits the rich as well as the middle class, but it benefits the rich more. It is a progressive tax expenditure.

If we eliminate all tax expenditures, then we can easily balance the budget and lower tax rates for everyone.

Well then write to President Trump and tell him Thank You for eliminating the mortgage deduction on homes over 800K.

And I'd love to thank him for making it still advantageous for higher earners to itemize ... BIGLY thank him

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wrong is saying that after the tax cut the wealthy are paying more. That is incorrect

You're simply wrong.
After Reagan's big cut in 1981, the top 10% paid a larger share. Top 1% too.
After Reagan's cut in 1986, the top 10% paid a larger share. Top 1% too.
After Bush's cut in 2001, the top 10% paid a larger share. Top 1% too.
After Bush's cut in 2003, the top 10% paid a larger share. Top 1% too.


Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2016 Update - Tax Foundation

They are paying less than their fair-share should be.

I thought we were talking real world actual numbers?
Who gives a shit what you think their "fair-share" should be?

To get accurate totals of taxes paid by all segments of the tax base.

The payroll tax hasn't been changed. If you want to whine separately about that, start a thread.

Not until the Budget Deficit is covered

Sounds like you should push your Dem Senators/Representatives to cut spending.

1. After a "tax cut" the top 10% will pay LESS TAX, hence the term "tax cut". No one cares about their "share" of taxes, its the amount they owe the IRS, and its less after a tax cut. Besides we're not talking about 1981-2003, we're talking about 2018 forward..
2. If the deficit explodes and SS & Medicare are cut, we'll see what the tax rates are then. An ounce of prevention.....

No one cares about their "share" of taxes,

You did, you said it right here, "the GOP cutting taxes expecting the lower 2/3 of incomes to pay the wealthy's way never worked"

What you're saying is, the wealthy are paying a smaller share, the lower 2/3rds have to make up for it, by paying a larger share.

Besides we're not talking about 1981-2003, we're talking about 2018 forward..

Every other cut resulted in the share paid by the top portion, increasing.
I guess it's possible this one time would be different. Why do you think your prediction
failed since 1981, but will be correct now?

Simple question: Is the Budget Deficit getting bigger or smaller? ANS: Bigger.
We need more revenue AND to cut spending to balance the budget. The top rate needs to increase not cut.

We need more revenue AND to cut spending to balance the budget.

Tell you what, let's cut spending 10% a year, for 3 years.
Then we'll think about adding revenue.

Tell you what cut spending and just take away all expenditures for everyone for three years and let's reevaluate.

Start with my tenants since I would have to drastically increase their rent.