How deep is the "deep state"?

[evenflow1969]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

The deep state certainly exists ! The powerfull and the privleged have always existed and always will. Under free market money means more power! This is a limit of this system one that will never fully go away! Saying it serves progressive master is pretty laughable. Please understand that the deep state holds the power and has no wish for change. Why would they they already hold the cards!

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

New World Order!

Problem is with new world orders is that they are tyically the same as the old one, they are just packaged different!

 

[Tehon]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

The deep state certainly exists ! The powerfull and the privleged have always existed and always will. Under free market money means more power! This is a limit of this system one that will never fully go away! Saying it serves progressive master is pretty laughable. Please understand that the deep state holds the power and has no wish for change. Why would they they already hold the cards!

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

New World Order!

Problem is with new world orders is that they are tyically the same as the old one, they are just packaged different!

New world order means one world government. We aren't there yet.

 

[MisterBeale]

Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’ | Monmouth University Polling Institute | Monmouth University

"Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Few Americans (18%) say government monitoring or spying on U.S. citizens is usually justified, with most (53%) saying it is only sometimes justified. Another 28% say this activity is rarely or never justified. Democrats (30%) and independents (31%) are somewhat more likely than Republicans (21%) to say government monitoring of U.S. citizens is rarely or never justified.

Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.

“We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there’s an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a ‘Deep State’ of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,” said Murray.

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;” another 24% are somewhat familiar, while 63% say they are not familiar with this term. However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington. This includes 27% who say it definitely exists and 47% who say it probably exists. Only 1-in-5 say it does not exist (16% probably not and 5% definitely not). Belief in the probable existence of a Deep State comes from more than 7-in-10 Americans in each partisan group, although Republicans (31%) and independents (33%) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (19%) to say that the Deep State definitely exists.. . . "

More at link along with PDF of survey results.

I think this is the best line from your post:

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;”

Clearly you aren't. You know nothing about it other than what Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC has told you, which of course, is only what the CIA and FBI want you to know, which is misinformation and disinformation.

IOW, you don't know shit.

So, that's why you rely on no nothings like Alex Jones? Or perhaps one of his lesser compatriots who doesn't sell bogus vitamins?

No, actually I go to primary sources. Books, investigative journalists, that sort of thing.

Did you bother watching that video by Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot I posted earlier in the thread? You should follow their FB content. . . . interesting men.

Peter Dale Scott - Wikipedia

David Talbot - Wikipedia

What journalists do you consider to be 'primary' sources? And what is their views on fluoride in the water?

On the issue of fluoride in the water, I go directly to a former head of the EPA union, Dr. J William Hirzy.

You can hear from him yourself in a congressional hearing if you like. . .



I have the study about sodium-fluoride causing ADHD in rats if you like;
Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[MisterBeale]

That's sort of off topic though, isn't it?

 

[MisterBeale]

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

Nah - It's primarily a conspiracy theory

While definitions vary, the term gained popularity among various groups, primarily supporters of Donald Trump and conspiracy theorists, during the 2016 U.S. presidential election, in opposition to establishment Republican and Democratic candidates. Since Trump's inauguration, the term has been used by commentators who argue that a 'deep state', involving the FBI, CIA, NSA, former President Barack Obama, and/or Hillary Clinton, is aiming to delegitimize the Trump presidency and thwart its policy goals.[4][5]

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

Mike Lofgren is a great moderate. . . .

Peter Dale Scott gives him a lot of great credit of popularizing and bringing a lot of mainstream awareness to the idea of the "Deep State."

Unfortunately, now it has become a partisan idea. The neo-liberal left seem to think that politics is more important than process, which it isn't.

When their guy is in power, the Deep State will once again be just as big a threat to them as it is now to the right.

 

[evenflow1969]

I think this is the best line from your post:

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;”

Clearly you aren't. You know nothing about it other than what Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC has told you, which of course, is only what the CIA and FBI want you to know, which is misinformation and disinformation.

IOW, you don't know shit.

So, that's why you rely on no nothings like Alex Jones? Or perhaps one of his lesser compatriots who doesn't sell bogus vitamins?

No, actually I go to primary sources. Books, investigative journalists, that sort of thing.

Did you bother watching that video by Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot I posted earlier in the thread? You should follow their FB content. . . . interesting men.

Peter Dale Scott - Wikipedia

David Talbot - Wikipedia

What journalists do you consider to be 'primary' sources? And what is their views on fluoride in the water?

On the issue of fluoride in the water, I go directly to a former head of the EPA union, Dr. J William Hirzy.

You can hear from him yourself in a congressional hearing if you like. . .



I have the study about sodium-fluoride causing ADHD in rats if you like;
Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

Reverse osmosis and distillation! I am also not happy about the amount of clormine!

 

[healthmyths]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

The deep state certainly exists ! The powerfull and the privleged have always existed and always will. Under free market money means more power! This is a limit of this system one that will never fully go away! Saying it serves progressive master is pretty laughable. Please understand that the deep state holds the power and has no wish for change. Why would they they already hold the cards!

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

New World Order!

Problem is with new world orders is that they are tyically the same as the old one, they are just packaged different!

New world order means one world government. We aren't there yet.

Of course we aren't there YET... but nothing happens over night. It won't be one day we wake up and "One world government"! That's totally naive.
But as I stated in my opening comment this military officer proffered examples of how HE believes the USA is the fault for many of the world's ills. He believes our "anti-immigrant" posture is wrong. In my immediate response to him was "what anti-immigrant" posture? Because he like many others thinks people like me and 86 million other Americans who are either "LEGAL" immigrants or have relatives that are "LEGAL" immigrants are "ANTI-Immigrant"! And this is not his fault except he believes the MSM!
FACT. Right now I did a search on "Trump anti-immigrant"... LOOK!
59,700 results with headlines like
NYT "Trump's Anti-Immigrant Racism"..
Newyorker "Challenging Trump's Anti-immigrant fervor" or
MSNBC.. "When Trump's anti-immigrant fear-mongering crosses a line"

Where in all that does the MSM recognize that Trump's MARRIED to an immigrant? Where in all that do the MSM understand the INSULTS to the 86 million of us that are either
"LEGAL" immigrants or relatives of "LEGAL" immigrants that went to a lot of time spent, renouncing their home citizenship and not counting the money to become a
"LEGAL" citizen and former "Immigrant"?

Is it NO wonder than my response to the military officer was to advise he was ill-informed!

But this is what this officer believes! He thinks America is "anti-immigrant'!
He also doesn't believe America is exceptional. He has fallen for the globalist trap that the USA has caused more problems because he perceives Americans as jingoists.
How sad. The ONE true reason America is "exceptional" are immigrants...legal immigrants! Exceptional people that gave up their homeland because their homeland didn't
give them the opportunities to be "exceptional" i.e. as America does.
That's what makes America exceptional. This military officer doesn't understand that!

 

[Moonglow]

I too have "deep" pillowy shoe inserts,,,,heaven..

I have a sinkhole, does that count?

Only if it makes you emotionally involved..

 

[Moonglow]

The deep state certainly exists ! The powerfull and the privleged have always existed and always will. Under free market money means more power! This is a limit of this system one that will never fully go away! Saying it serves progressive master is pretty laughable. Please understand that the deep state holds the power and has no wish for change. Why would they they already hold the cards!

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

New World Order!

Problem is with new world orders is that they are tyically the same as the old one, they are just packaged different!

New world order means one world government. We aren't there yet.

Of course we aren't there YET... but nothing happens over night. It won't be one day we wake up and "One world government"! That's totally naive.
But as I stated in my opening comment this military officer proffered examples of how HE believes the USA is the fault for many of the world's ills. He believes our "anti-immigrant" posture is wrong. In my immediate response to him was "what anti-immigrant" posture? Because he like many others thinks people like me and 86 million other Americans who are either "LEGAL" immigrants or have relatives that are "LEGAL" immigrants are "ANTI-Immigrant"! And this is not his fault except he believes the MSM!
FACT. Right now I did a search on "Trump anti-immigrant"... LOOK!
59,700 results with headlines like
NYT "Trump's Anti-Immigrant Racism"..
Newyorker "Challenging Trump's Anti-immigrant fervor" or
MSNBC.. "When Trump's anti-immigrant fear-mongering crosses a line"

Where in all that does the MSM recognize that Trump's MARRIED to an immigrant? Where in all that do the MSM understand the INSULTS to the 86 million of us that are either
"LEGAL" immigrants or relatives of "LEGAL" immigrants that went to a lot of time spent, renouncing their home citizenship and not counting the money to become a
"LEGAL" citizen and former "Immigrant"?

Is it NO wonder than my response to the military officer was to advise he was ill-informed!

But this is what this officer believes! He thinks America is "anti-immigrant'!
He also doesn't believe America is exceptional. He has fallen for the globalist trap that the USA has caused more problems because he perceives Americans as jingoists.
How sad. The ONE true reason America is "exceptional" are immigrants...legal immigrants! Exceptional people that gave up their homeland because their homeland didn't
give them the opportunities to be "exceptional" i.e. as America does.
That's what makes America exceptional. This military officer doesn't understand that!

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Look how long it nationalism to solidify into creating nations..

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Obama controls the Deep State

They remain loyal to him

Apparently, his black helio-copters hover only over RWNJs.

 

[Tehon]

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

Nah - It's primarily a conspiracy theory

While definitions vary, the term gained popularity among various groups, primarily supporters of Donald Trump and conspiracy theorists, during the 2016 U.S. presidential election, in opposition to establishment Republican and Democratic candidates. Since Trump's inauguration, the term has been used by commentators who argue that a 'deep state', involving the FBI, CIA, NSA, former President Barack Obama, and/or Hillary Clinton, is aiming to delegitimize the Trump presidency and thwart its policy goals.[4][5]

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

Mike Lofgren is a great moderate. . . .

Peter Dale Scott gives him a lot of great credit of popularizing and bringing a lot of mainstream awareness to the idea of the "Deep State."

Unfortunately, now it has become a partisan idea. The neo-liberal left seem to think that politics is more important than process, which it isn't.

When their guy is in power, the Deep State will once again be just as big a threat to them as it is now to the right.

Personally I don't believe it is by accident that the meaning of the deep state has been trashed and turned into a political football. People are such dupes.

 

[Tehon]

He has fallen for the globalist trap that the USA has caused more problems because he perceives Americans as jingoists.

I agree with him.

I fail to see how believing that is a globalist trap.

The trap was people falling for the jingoist line that gave the globalists permission to trash the planet for profit.

 

[rightwinger]

How deep is the "deep state"?

Its $4 TRILLION dollars a year of OUR money that's how deep it is. When you have $4 trillion dollars a year of federal government budget to dole out and spend the propensity for corruption is off the charts.

OMG.

We got a Gubmint!

 

[rightwinger]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

The deep state certainly exists ! The powerfull and the privleged have always existed and always will. Under free market money means more power! This is a limit of this system one that will never fully go away! Saying it serves progressive master is pretty laughable. Please understand that the deep state holds the power and has no wish for change. Why would they they already hold the cards!

There is nothing conspiratorial about the deep state. It simply manifests itself in the idea that extremely wealthy and powerfull interests have an inordinate amount of influence over our government.

New World Order!

Problem is with new world orders is that they are tyically the same as the old one, they are just packaged different!

Problem with Deep States is they are bullshit made up by paranoid assholes

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

"I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives .."

First, trump is the ultimate globalist and continues to profit from that fact. If you doubt that, click on the "jobs" link in my sig.

Second, trump has not only done nothing good for our military, he has screwed over both vets and active military. Google is your friend.

".. not representative of most Americans.."

Those who think they are against it, have no clue what it is. Like I said, Google is your friend.

The US is and always will be "globalist". Even if wanted to change that, its simply not possible.

 

[BluesLegend]

How deep is the "deep state"?

Its $4 TRILLION dollars a year of OUR money that's how deep it is. When you have $4 trillion dollars a year of federal government budget to dole out and spend the propensity for corruption is off the charts.

OMG.

We got a Gubmint!

Losers get a job pay their own bills we won't need a fraction of this government.

 

[rightwinger]

How deep is the "deep state"?

Its $4 TRILLION dollars a year of OUR money that's how deep it is. When you have $4 trillion dollars a year of federal government budget to dole out and spend the propensity for corruption is off the charts.

OMG.

We got a Gubmint!

Losers get a job pay their own bills we won't need a fraction of this government.

We spend 46 cents of every military dollar spent on earth

 

[DrLove]

I think this is the best line from your post:

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;”

Clearly you aren't. You know nothing about it other than what Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC has told you, which of course, is only what the CIA and FBI want you to know, which is misinformation and disinformation.

IOW, you don't know shit.

So, that's why you rely on no nothings like Alex Jones? Or perhaps one of his lesser compatriots who doesn't sell bogus vitamins?

No, actually I go to primary sources. Books, investigative journalists, that sort of thing.

Did you bother watching that video by Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot I posted earlier in the thread? You should follow their FB content. . . . interesting men.

Peter Dale Scott - Wikipedia

David Talbot - Wikipedia

What journalists do you consider to be 'primary' sources? And what is their views on fluoride in the water?

On the issue of fluoride in the water, I go directly to a former head of the EPA union, Dr. J William Hirzy.

You can hear from him yourself in a congressional hearing if you like. . .

I have the study about sodium-fluoride causing ADHD in rats if you like;
Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

The terms "intelligent" and "anti-fluoride" should never be used in the same sentence.

Hirzy is a loon promoting a conspiracy theory - That or he's a lobbyist for the dental industry.

When I was a kid fluoride was deemed a commie plot so I never had the treatments and have spent many dozens of hours in dental chairs.

My daughter had the coatings and the whole scientifically accepted regimen - Not a single cavity in 22 years.

The same people who believe that crap also believe in chemtrails, false flags, the New World Order and Bigfoot.

Take the deep dive:

A Deep Dive Into the Conspiracy Theory That Governments Are Controlling Us with Fluoride

 

[HappyJoy]

I think this is the best line from your post:

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;”

Clearly you aren't. You know nothing about it other than what Fox News, CNN, or MSNBC has told you, which of course, is only what the CIA and FBI want you to know, which is misinformation and disinformation.

IOW, you don't know shit.

So, that's why you rely on no nothings like Alex Jones? Or perhaps one of his lesser compatriots who doesn't sell bogus vitamins?

No, actually I go to primary sources. Books, investigative journalists, that sort of thing.

Did you bother watching that video by Peter Dale Scott and David Talbot I posted earlier in the thread? You should follow their FB content. . . . interesting men.

Peter Dale Scott - Wikipedia

David Talbot - Wikipedia

What journalists do you consider to be 'primary' sources? And what is their views on fluoride in the water?

On the issue of fluoride in the water, I go directly to a former head of the EPA union, Dr. J William Hirzy.

You can hear from him yourself in a congressional hearing if you like. . .



I have the study about sodium-fluoride causing ADHD in rats if you like;
Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. - PubMed - NCBI

You obviously missed the point. Is there a conspiracy or purpose behind the government putting fluoride in the water other than to prevent tooth decay?

 

[evenflow1969]

How deep is the "deep state"?

Its $4 TRILLION dollars a year of OUR money that's how deep it is. When you have $4 trillion dollars a year of federal government budget to dole out and spend the propensity for corruption is off the charts.

OMG.

We got a Gubmint!

Losers get a job pay their own bills we won't need a fraction of this government.

We spend 46 cents of every military dollar spent on earth

Does not make a lot of sense does it! Especially when you consider we are isolated by the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean. You would think that would allow us to spend less in Defense than others, yet here we are!