How deep is the "deep state"?

[Moonglow]

Obama controls the Deep State

They remain loyal to him

The Deep State controls Obama, they put him through college and then got him Presidency of both Harvard Law and the USA

They are responsible for his Mom getting pregnant, it was another immaculate conception activity...

No family hmmkay.

Sure, he had family...

 

[Moonglow]

The Deep State is YUGE
That truck that you passed you on the street, the guy at the bar, that cute chick that winked at you........all DEEP STATE

You mad bro?
Can't seem to get a fair break in life?
Everything works against you?

He's "deep" state material...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

A lot of the posts here are getting just .....way too stupid and off topic.
Angry people like Moonglow, HappyJoy and Newton doing nothing more than venting and poking.

Where's a good moderator when you really need one????

 

[HappyJoy]

I wish the deep state would stop making all those chemtrails and dumping fluoride into the water.

Hitler was a practicing jew.

 

[DrLove]

Does the Deep State have a secret handshake?

If not, how can they identify themselves?

They have a secret handshake AND Secret Society meetings -

These meetings are led by Obama with the ultimate goal of New World Order ruled by the Illuminati.

 

[Moonglow]

A lot of the posts here are getting just .....way too stupid and off topic.
Angry people like Moonglow, HappyJoy and Newton doing nothing more than venting and poking.

Where's a good moderator when you really need one????

If not for us then your thread would already be dead...

 

[MisterBeale]

Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’ | Monmouth University Polling Institute | Monmouth University

"Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Few Americans (18%) say government monitoring or spying on U.S. citizens is usually justified, with most (53%) saying it is only sometimes justified. Another 28% say this activity is rarely or never justified. Democrats (30%) and independents (31%) are somewhat more likely than Republicans (21%) to say government monitoring of U.S. citizens is rarely or never justified.

Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.

“We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there’s an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a ‘Deep State’ of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,” said Murray.

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;” another 24% are somewhat familiar, while 63% say they are not familiar with this term. However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington. This includes 27% who say it definitely exists and 47% who say it probably exists. Only 1-in-5 say it does not exist (16% probably not and 5% definitely not). Belief in the probable existence of a Deep State comes from more than 7-in-10 Americans in each partisan group, although Republicans (31%) and independents (33%) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (19%) to say that the Deep State definitely exists.. . . "

More at link along with PDF of survey results.

 

[Theowl32]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

How deep is hell?

 

[MisterBeale]

A lot of the posts here are getting just .....way too stupid and off topic.
Angry people like Moonglow, HappyJoy and Newton doing nothing more than venting and poking.

Where's a good moderator when you really need one????

If not for us then your thread would already be dead...

While I do agree with that, it is depressing how stupid Americans have become.

I wonder if it is the Mass media or the TV's fault?

 

[alang1216]

deep state is just a name for anyone who has dedicated their life and career to their nation....



if you have worked in government longer than 5 years, you are the ''deep state''....

if you have any kind of experience and know how, you are the deep state!

just utter nonsense, where dedication and experience is the evil 'deep state'.... I call bull crap!

When we elect someone BECAUSE he has no idea how government works, knowledge and competence is subversive.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’ | Monmouth University Polling Institute | Monmouth University

"Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Few Americans (18%) say government monitoring or spying on U.S. citizens is usually justified, with most (53%) saying it is only sometimes justified. Another 28% say this activity is rarely or never justified. Democrats (30%) and independents (31%) are somewhat more likely than Republicans (21%) to say government monitoring of U.S. citizens is rarely or never justified.

Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.

“We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there’s an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a ‘Deep State’ of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,” said Murray.

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;” another 24% are somewhat familiar, while 63% say they are not familiar with this term. However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington. This includes 27% who say it definitely exists and 47% who say it probably exists. Only 1-in-5 say it does not exist (16% probably not and 5% definitely not). Belief in the probable existence of a Deep State comes from more than 7-in-10 Americans in each partisan group, although Republicans (31%) and independents (33%) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (19%) to say that the Deep State definitely exists.. . . "

More at link along with PDF of survey results.

MTA still not telling anyone what they installed. Probably facial recognition system

 

[Theowl32]

I recently had the opportunity to meet with an officer in the US military and was disappointed in the "globalist" point of view. In spite of President Trump's respect for the military and efforts to improve their lives, this officer had a point of view that was hard to understand given the intelligence and position of the officer.

It represented to me a sad state of the "deep state" i.e. people in power like this officer who seemed to forget that especially as a military officer being "apolitical" means not allowing personal preferences to affect their job.

But this officer's position is one that does influence congresspeople among others and what he shared in this meeting was frankly very disheartening as his political/globalist attitude doesn't help.

A couple examples from our conversation as to why I deemed him a "globalist" and frankly not representative of most Americans.

I will be happy to share if others wish as I don't want to bore people with a long missive at this point.
Suffice to say the couple of examples of his opinion was surprising at least to me as he comes from multi-generational American midwestern family.

Because the DS is working in favor of the Left and Progressives at this time, they can joke about it and poke fun.
There truly IS a DS and it's as you say, many regular people who are more than willing to use their position to enhance their agendas with little or no regard to what's best for the nation as a whole.

Gone are the days when you could count on (most) elected officials to work on behalf of the Constitution and We The People.

A VERY sad state indeed. Too many Americans are content just to sit back and watch all this happen. Our political leaders are under enormous pressure from within to comply or be cast as bigots / racists etc. I see the only last hope to recover America as being squarely in the hands of the American People themselves.

So far, it seems like a lost cause. All that was required for America to fall was for Good Men to remain silent.

Oh, they knew we could never count on officials. That is the whole reason a constitution was drafted.

However, since that document gets in the way of those power hungry tyrants who all wanted be an elected king or emperor and certainly dont want to relinquish the power they acquired, that document has been systematically been torn apart.

The people who are the true morons, are the ones who are willingly relinquishing the power that document gave them.

That, is the power of mob rule and group think. That is why we stand in awe at the absurdity of the left as they chant for higher taxes.

 

[dudmuck]

How deep is the deep state. Yes one of those nebulous questions.






Deep State refuted by Fox News. *****.

Funny how no cons were even aware of a term 'deep state' until con-media made it a meme. Like every other conspiracy theory cons get from their manipulators.

So you believe FOX news now? That's rich, seriously and completely, totally bizarrely rich.

How about trusting the research of the men that coined the term and wrote the books, like a Berkley Professor and the founder of Salon?

This is from 2015, about a book the was researched and written in 2013, long before any of this was ever in the news, before any of you were told how to think.

Yes, the deep state has its roots in the 50's, triggering Eisenhower's speech on the military industrial complex.

But here is the rub on the deep state. If the deep state is force which shot JFK in front a cheering crowed, spilling his brains out in front of his wife. And then 5 years later takes out his brother Bobby right after he wins California primary.
Then faster forward to now, instead the deep state decides the best way to do this now is to use questionable evidence to wiretap campaign associates, then hire stormy daniels to have sex with him in 2006, and then wait until he's in office to make all this publicly known.

If this is truly the case, then Trump should be praising the deep state for not taking him out immediately like they did with the Kennedy's.

 

[MisterBeale]

Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’ | Monmouth University Polling Institute | Monmouth University

"Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Few Americans (18%) say government monitoring or spying on U.S. citizens is usually justified, with most (53%) saying it is only sometimes justified. Another 28% say this activity is rarely or never justified. Democrats (30%) and independents (31%) are somewhat more likely than Republicans (21%) to say government monitoring of U.S. citizens is rarely or never justified.

Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.

“We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there’s an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a ‘Deep State’ of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,” said Murray.

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;” another 24% are somewhat familiar, while 63% say they are not familiar with this term. However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington. This includes 27% who say it definitely exists and 47% who say it probably exists. Only 1-in-5 say it does not exist (16% probably not and 5% definitely not). Belief in the probable existence of a Deep State comes from more than 7-in-10 Americans in each partisan group, although Republicans (31%) and independents (33%) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (19%) to say that the Deep State definitely exists.. . . "

More at link along with PDF of survey results.

MTA still not telling anyone what they installed. Probably facial recognition system

I think I heard something about that.

So glad I don't live in an urban area that has it's own Deep State. Scary stuff.

 

[HappyJoy]

Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’
Public Troubled by ‘Deep State’ | Monmouth University Polling Institute | Monmouth University

"Bi-partisan concern that government is tracking U.S. citizens

West Long Branch, NJ – A majority of the American public believe that the U.S. government engages in widespread monitoring of its own citizens and worry that the U.S. government could be invading their own privacy. The Monmouth University Poll also finds a large bipartisan majority who feel that national policy is being manipulated or directed by a “Deep State” of unelected government officials. Americans of color on the center and left and NRA members on the right are among those most worried about the reach of government prying into average citizens’ lives.

Just over half of the public is either very worried (23%) or somewhat worried (30%) about the U.S. government monitoring their activities and invading their privacy. There are no significant partisan differences – 57% of independents, 51% of Republicans, and 50% of Democrats are at least somewhat worried the federal government is monitoring their activities. Another 24% of the American public are not too worried and 22% are not at all worried.

Fully 8-in-10 believe that the U.S. government currently monitors or spies on the activities of American citizens, including a majority (53%) who say this activity is widespread and another 29% who say such monitoring happens but is not widespread. Just 14% say this monitoring does not happen at all. There are no substantial partisan differences in these results.

“This is a worrisome finding. The strength of our government relies on public faith in protecting our freedoms, which is not particularly robust. And it’s not a Democratic or Republican issue. These concerns span the political spectrum,” said Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.

Few Americans (18%) say government monitoring or spying on U.S. citizens is usually justified, with most (53%) saying it is only sometimes justified. Another 28% say this activity is rarely or never justified. Democrats (30%) and independents (31%) are somewhat more likely than Republicans (21%) to say government monitoring of U.S. citizens is rarely or never justified.

Turning to the Washington political infrastructure as a whole, 6-in-10 Americans (60%) feel that unelected or appointed government officials have too much influence in determining federal policy. Just 26% say the right balance of power exists between elected and unelected officials in determining policy. Democrats (59%), Republicans (59%) and independents (62%) agree that appointed officials hold too much sway in the federal government.

“We usually expect opinions on the operation of government to shift depending on which party is in charge. But there’s an ominous feeling by Democrats and Republicans alike that a ‘Deep State’ of unelected operatives are pulling the levers of power,” said Murray.

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;” another 24% are somewhat familiar, while 63% say they are not familiar with this term. However, when the term is described as a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy, nearly 3-in-4 (74%) say they believe this type of apparatus exists in Washington. This includes 27% who say it definitely exists and 47% who say it probably exists. Only 1-in-5 say it does not exist (16% probably not and 5% definitely not). Belief in the probable existence of a Deep State comes from more than 7-in-10 Americans in each partisan group, although Republicans (31%) and independents (33%) are somewhat more likely than Democrats (19%) to say that the Deep State definitely exists.. . . "

More at link along with PDF of survey results.

I think this is the best line from your post:

Few Americans (13%) are very familiar with the term “Deep State;”

 

[HappyJoy]

A lot of the posts here are getting just .....way too stupid and off topic.
Angry people like Moonglow, HappyJoy and Newton doing nothing more than venting and poking.

Where's a good moderator when you really need one????

It's a conspiracy theory, the thread shouldn't even be in politics.

 

[rightwinger]

Obama controls the Deep State

They remain loyal to him

The Deep State controls Obama, they put him through college and then got him Presidency of both Harvard Law and the USA

The Deep State pales in comparison to The Great Obama

 

[MisterBeale]

How deep is the deep state. Yes one of those nebulous questions.






Deep State refuted by Fox News. *****.

Funny how no cons were even aware of a term 'deep state' until con-media made it a meme. Like every other conspiracy theory cons get from their manipulators.

So you believe FOX news now? That's rich, seriously and completely, totally bizarrely rich.

How about trusting the research of the men that coined the term and wrote the books, like a Berkley Professor and the founder of Salon?

This is from 2015, about a book the was researched and written in 2013, long before any of this was ever in the news, before any of you were told how to think.

Yes, the deep state has its roots in the 50's, triggering Eisenhower's speech on the military industrial complex.

But here is the rub on the deep state. If the deep state is force which shot JFK in front a cheering crowed, spilling his brains out in front of his wife. And then 5 years later takes out his brother Bobby right after he wins California primary.
Then faster forward to now, instead the deep state decides the best way to do this now is to use questionable evidence to wiretap campaign associates, then hire stormy daniels to have sex with him in 2006, and then wait until he's in office to make all this publicly known.

If this is truly the case, then Trump should be praising the deep state for not taking him out immediately like they did with the Kennedy's.

I think it is a bit more complicated than that.


What we have going on right now is a civil war with in the Deep State.

Trump has no desire to destroy the Deep State, he is just as corrupt as those he replaced, he wants to take it over and control it for his own ends, but appear to the public to be virtuous while doing it.


We can't make the tacit assumption that Trump is actually trying to take down the Deep State. We also can't make the assumption that the Deep State is a monolithic entity. I've researched many of the private intel. corporations that compose it. Most folks don't realize that most of the intel work is privatized by corporations like Booz-Allen Hamilton and the company that is run by that guy Micheal Chertoff who was once an enemy of Hillary Clinton and on the Bush team who she then considered putting in her administration? He heads the Chertoff group, just another example, yeah, that shit. The private Intel sector "Deep State" is privatized and gets more tax support then we can imagine, it is mind boggling, thus, the corruption.

Remember, Trump praised Julian Assange while disparaging Edward Snowden. Folks that study this stuff know that both operations are limited hang-outs.

But then, that raises the question, whose limited hang-outs are they, and for what purposes do they serve? And are these interests now at odds with each other?

Remember, when Trump was running, and even after he was elected, he kept on his own personal security, embedded in the secret service. He might be well aware of the corruption. How says the Deep State even would have a chance to do the RFK, JFK, MLK treatment on him? It isn't as if different interests haven't tried different avenues to take his administration down already, and, to whit, they HAVE been immensely successful at retarding the effectiveness of his administration by either stopping his cabinet picks, or forcing the removal of his cabinet members by getting them on process crimes, when everyone in D.C. is usually guilty of some process crime. . . .

I don't think this Stormy Daniels route was the first avenue they had planned from the start, it is probably, like, plan F out of many routes.

Using the CFR controlled media to turn the public against him by tainting their impression of Trump and the administration on wholly bogus stories and false impressions has probably been their most effective victory.

It is a pretty lame plan from an outsider looking in.

Linking tax records to foreign banking and money laundering was the safest bet, but they really needed a good pretext to expose that corruption, and they don't have one yet.

They haven't found a good trigger mechanism to prove there was any manipulation of the voting process, other wise, they could have proven that he has ties to the Russian mafia just like every high level American politician has ties to the CIA and Jewish and Italian organized crime . . . this is pretty basic stuff.

But they need probable cause and a pretext. They don't have one. They need a crime first, and they don't have one.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

The Deep State is YUGE

That truck that you passed you on the street, the guy at the bar, that cute chick that winked at you........all DEEP STATE

Please. When another woman winks at me something huge might go deep, but it ain't the state.

 

[MisterBeale]

A lot of the posts here are getting just .....way too stupid and off topic.
Angry people like Moonglow, HappyJoy and Newton doing nothing more than venting and poking.

Where's a good moderator when you really need one????

It's a conspiracy theory, the thread shouldn't even be in politics.

It's actually the only real thread about what's actually going on.

What you see on your TEEVEE is the conspiracy silly.