How could churches need government stimulus funds?

[progressive hunter]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

 

[Lysistrata]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

 

[progressive hunter]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

read the OP,,,

 

[22lcidw]

Just from a practical standpoint, what does it mean about a church body if the parishioners are not willing to contribute without being there in person.

What about not willing to contribute because their business is suffering?

That is between the tither and their deity. Not the government's problem

Even if all the churches failed it wouldn't adversely impact the economy.

There are plenty of wealthy benefactors who value the propagation of religion. Let them put their money where their mouth is. Hell, Joel Olsteen and other megachurch pastors could bail out their businesses by diogging into their own ill gotten wealth.

The parishioners weren't the ones forcing them to close.

Why do parishioners need to show up in person in order to support their church body.

Why are they not able to support it without being seen by others to gain their approval.

Such could only be the case if they were unscriptural hypocrites.

People gave what they can until you showed up.

 

[22lcidw]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

We will be building cars from the 1970's soon enough.

 

[Lysistrata]

These people have been collecting millions off of taxpayers for years before Covid-19. Can we at least stop the gravy train?

 

[pknopp]

There is no Constitutional issue. The issue would be the government excluding a religious organization.

You are left with the argument whether any of this should be done. You can argue that it shouldn't be your problem if the members aren't keeping up. I can argue that it's not my problem that people aren't buying Tom Brady's stuff but he still got nearly a million dollars.

However there is no reason that the parishioners cannot donate online. None whatsoever.

There is even less operational overhead when the churches don't open their doors.

There is no logical reason that they could be losing more money just because their doors are closed.

Was proof required of losing money for Brady to get his money?

 

[progressive hunter]

These people have been collecting millions off of taxpayers for years before Covid-19. Can we at least stop the gravy train?

sure just go start a thread about it and stop trolling this one,,

 

[pknopp]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

Gave as in how so?

 

[Agit8r]

There is no Constitutional issue. The issue would be the government excluding a religious organization.

You are left with the argument whether any of this should be done. You can argue that it shouldn't be your problem if the members aren't keeping up. I can argue that it's not my problem that people aren't buying Tom Brady's stuff but he still got nearly a million dollars.

However there is no reason that the parishioners cannot donate online. None whatsoever.

There is even less operational overhead when the churches don't open their doors.

There is no logical reason that they could be losing more money just because their doors are closed.

Was proof required of losing money for Brady to get his money?

Who?

 

[pknopp]

There is no Constitutional issue. The issue would be the government excluding a religious organization.

You are left with the argument whether any of this should be done. You can argue that it shouldn't be your problem if the members aren't keeping up. I can argue that it's not my problem that people aren't buying Tom Brady's stuff but he still got nearly a million dollars.

However there is no reason that the parishioners cannot donate online. None whatsoever.

There is even less operational overhead when the churches don't open their doors.

There is no logical reason that they could be losing more money just because their doors are closed.

Was proof required of losing money for Brady to get his money?

Who?

Already posted.

 

[whitehall]

The way I read it is that places of worship will only be eligible for loans. Meanwhile colleges and universities will receive 82billion for doing nothing.

 

[Agit8r]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

Gave as in how so?

Perhaps this:

"Though Black and Latino businesses were disproportionately denied loans from the $650 billion relief fund, an analysis by NBC News now reveals that a number of hate groups were successful in receiving over $4 million total in PPP relief"

The Scam That Was the Paycheck Protection Program Paid Out Millions to Hate Groups

While Congress continues to dither over distributing another stimulus check to members of the American public during a pandemic that has stuttered the economy and left many unemployed and unable to meet the cost of their basic needs, it’s become increasingly clear that the Paycheck Protection...

www.yahoo.com

 

[pknopp]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

Gave as in how so?

Perhaps this:

"Though Black and Latino businesses were disproportionately denied loans from the $650 billion relief fund, an analysis by NBC News now reveals that a number of hate groups were successful in receiving over $4 million total in PPP relief"

The Scam That Was the Paycheck Protection Program Paid Out Millions to Hate Groups

While Congress continues to dither over distributing another stimulus check to members of the American public during a pandemic that has stuttered the economy and left many unemployed and unable to meet the cost of their basic needs, it’s become increasingly clear that the Paycheck Protection...

www.yahoo.com

Nope. The claim was that this has gone on long before the pandemic. So can we go with this being not true?

 

[Agit8r]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

Gave as in how so?

Perhaps this:

"Though Black and Latino businesses were disproportionately denied loans from the $650 billion relief fund, an analysis by NBC News now reveals that a number of hate groups were successful in receiving over $4 million total in PPP relief"

The Scam That Was the Paycheck Protection Program Paid Out Millions to Hate Groups

While Congress continues to dither over distributing another stimulus check to members of the American public during a pandemic that has stuttered the economy and left many unemployed and unable to meet the cost of their basic needs, it’s become increasingly clear that the Paycheck Protection...

www.yahoo.com

Nope. The claim was that this has gone on long before the pandemic. So can we go with this being not true?

Ever since Bush's "Faith Based Initiatives," unfortunately

 

[pknopp]

This whole issue of government payments to religious communities needs to be examined publicly There doesn't seem to be any records kept as to how much the taxpayers have funded various groups and religious beliefs. For example, it seems like the federal government gave millions to some "abstinence only" groups. Was there a reason?

its because they employ people and the government stopped them from doing business,, case closed,,,

the bigger question is why are people that didnt lose their jobs or their business's didnt close are receiving money???

I am not talking about just what happened in the last year during this pandemic. The "abstinence only" organizations made a mint off of the federal government for years and one of their number was even given a high-ranking job in HHS, long before anyone heard of Covid-19. Her name is Valerie Huber. Explain where our money went.

you should probably start a thread on that instead of trolling this one,,,

This is not trolling. We are discussing government, taxpayers', money being given to religious groups, and this has gone on long before the pandemic. Can we have an accounting? There also seems to have been taxpayer money being given out to anti-LGBT groups, even money paid in taxes by people who are LGBT.

Gave as in how so?

Perhaps this:

"Though Black and Latino businesses were disproportionately denied loans from the $650 billion relief fund, an analysis by NBC News now reveals that a number of hate groups were successful in receiving over $4 million total in PPP relief"

The Scam That Was the Paycheck Protection Program Paid Out Millions to Hate Groups

While Congress continues to dither over distributing another stimulus check to members of the American public during a pandemic that has stuttered the economy and left many unemployed and unable to meet the cost of their basic needs, it’s become increasingly clear that the Paycheck Protection...

www.yahoo.com

Nope. The claim was that this has gone on long before the pandemic. So can we go with this being not true?

Ever since Bush's "Faith Based Initiatives," unfortunately

Still no examples.

 

[flacaltenn]

These people have been collecting millions off of taxpayers for years before Covid-19. Can we at least stop the gravy train?

Church local charity orgs and their support of homeless, food banks, drug and suicide counseling, and many other resources --- DO MORE TO PROVIDE DIRECT COVID RELIEF to their communities than the bloated dysfunctional govt you leftists worship... Christmas toys for LOCAL needy kids? Church groups lead on that.. Hurricane, flood, tornado disasters -- churches are primary provider of aid.. They are FASTER, MORE EFFICIENT and less ARROGANT than the govt YOU worship...

Lefties sit on their asses and assume FEMA and DHHS have it all covered.. And all your EFFORTS go into gaining political power and dismantling America as we know it..

LOCAL aid and charity is ALWAYS the best.. So if they need Covid supplies to do this work -- I'm all for it and only mentally deranged atheists would have an issue with it..

 

[pknopp]

These people have been collecting millions off of taxpayers for years before Covid-19. Can we at least stop the gravy train?

Church local charity orgs and their support of homeless, food banks, drug and suicide counseling, and many other resources --- DO MORE TO PROVIDE DIRECT COVID RELIEF to their communities than the bloated dysfunctional govt you leftists worship... Christmas toys for LOCAL needy kids? Church groups lead on that.. Hurricane, flood, tornado disasters -- churches are primary provider of aid.. They are FASTER, MORE EFFICIENT and less ARROGANT than the govt YOU worship...

Lefties sit on their asses and assume FEMA and DHHS have it all covered.. And all your EFFORTS go into gaining political power and dismantling America as we know it..

LOCAL aid and charity is ALWAYS the best.. So if they need Covid supplies to do this work -- I'm all for it and only mentally deranged atheists would have an issue with it..

What a wonderful post from a lead moderator. (sarcasm). It's no wonder so many reply in a such a juvenile way here.

You make a poor representative of one defending the church.

 

[Rigby5]

Churches provide a service, such as a meeting place for the whole community, inspirational sermons, etc.
So if the government forces a church to stop providing these services, and then income becomes impossible to collect, then government owes.

 

[flacaltenn]

These people have been collecting millions off of taxpayers for years before Covid-19. Can we at least stop the gravy train?

Church local charity orgs and their support of homeless, food banks, drug and suicide counseling, and many other resources --- DO MORE TO PROVIDE DIRECT COVID RELIEF to their communities than the bloated dysfunctional govt you leftists worship... Christmas toys for LOCAL needy kids? Church groups lead on that.. Hurricane, flood, tornado disasters -- churches are primary provider of aid.. They are FASTER, MORE EFFICIENT and less ARROGANT than the govt YOU worship...

Lefties sit on their asses and assume FEMA and DHHS have it all covered.. And all your EFFORTS go into gaining political power and dismantling America as we know it..

LOCAL aid and charity is ALWAYS the best.. So if they need Covid supplies to do this work -- I'm all for it and only mentally deranged atheists would have an issue with it..

What a wonderful post from a lead moderator. (sarcasm). It's no wonder so many reply in a such a juvenile way here.

You make a poor representative of one defending the church.

Since this is now OUT of the CDZ for some reason -- let me add -- you get no points for desperately pulling the moderator card and points off for not EVEN ATTEMPTING to refute what I said..

Churches and faith based orgs have MORE "one on one" contact with needy, poor, and down trodden than ANYTHING the Swamp can do with a program and a check..