How can liberals really justify voting for Obama in 2012?

[L.K.Eder]

And we'll get the same shit again. Either another round of Obama or some equally lame Republican.

We have no "lame Republicans" running for President, unless you want to judge a book by its cover, that is. We plan to balance the budget, cut spending, reducing the size of government, keep taxes low, and reduce the deficit by kicking the unemployment rate back down by salting American shores with jobs.

The mountain of debt? We're gonna make a molehill of it. Go, pachys!!!

 

[rdean]

Remember how Republicans handled the Katrina aftermath?

How Republicans invaded Iraq and what happened?

Who let Bin Laden go?

The economic mess the Republicans left for Obama?

The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%?

CEO pay exploding?

Health care costs skyrocketing?

The failed drugs for votes bill?

I think it's pretty clear who I'm going to vote for.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Are you really better off now than you were when Obama took office? Not many people are.

I don't see much there.
The only way I could see it is if:
1. He actually does something to help the economy (and really, with all the ranting that it's not the government's job to create jobs, what's he gonna do?) or
2. The GOP decides to put Bachmann, Palin or Paul on the ticket.

 

[Wonky Pundit]

Remember how Republicans handled the Katrina aftermath?

How Republicans invaded Iraq and what happened?

Who let Bin Laden go?

The economic mess the Republicans left for Obama?

The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%?

CEO pay exploding?

Health care costs skyrocketing?

The failed drugs for votes bill?

I think it's pretty clear who I'm going to vote for.

Yeah, but...he's a socialist!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Remember how Republicans handled the Katrina aftermath?

How Republicans invaded Iraq and what happened?

Who let Bin Laden go?

The economic mess the Republicans left for Obama?

The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%?

CEO pay exploding?

Health care costs skyrocketing?

The failed drugs for votes bill?

I think it's pretty clear who I'm going to vote for.

New Orleans > Haiti rebuilding under Obama

 

[grunt11b]

Are you really better off now than you were when Obama took office? Not many people are.

I've never really liked that question as a litmus for whether or not to support an incumbent. Whether I, or anyone else in particular, is better or worse off usually has very little to do with our leaders. That said, I do wonder how liberals can continue to support Obama. He's had plenty of opportunity to reverse the damage done by the Bush administration and refuses to do so. Instead, he's launched aggressive corporatist policies that deepen the collusion between government and big business.

I didn't vote for him, but the biggest problem I have with him is that he's not a liberal. I fail to see how self-professed liberals or progressives can continue to support him.

well the thread heading tells it all
there is no hope for those he promised it to and there is no change just a differant puppet in a suit .
meanwhile we are just lurching from one bad president to another .

That's by design. Why do you think they go after people like Palin and people like Bachman so hard? Because they want to limit your choice to a puppet that can be controlled. Look at 2008 for a prime example, the only choice you had was Mcain or Obama, either one of them would be doing the same shit right now. It doesn't matter. You need to start voting on a candidates record, not on what the news tells you if you want positive change for our country.

 

[grunt11b]

Are you really better off now than you were when Obama took office?

Agreed, "Not many people are." And it will get worse. The debt ceiling debacle gives all insight on what the President's priorities are. Still no hint of what his plan is - - except the statement "I won't let you call my bluff!" ??!?

His priorities? He added 12.5 campaign doners per job created last month, that sums up his priorities pretty well.

 

[grunt11b]

‪President Obama on Death of Osama bin Laden‬‏ - YouTube
‪n0thing but headshots (Pt. 1)‬‏ - YouTube

Works for me.

So you would reelect someone that has spent 2.5 trillion dollars on failed policies, ruined an already fragile economy and talks out of both sides of his mouth all on the death of Bin Laden, that was only made possible by Bush era interrogation policies that Obama was against?
It doesn't surprise me.

 

[grunt11b]

Here's how:

I'll take the blue one on the top shelf.

The one that looks like a penis or the one on the left?

 

[grunt11b]

Are you really better off now than you were when Obama took office? Not many people are.

Yes I am. What percentage of people aren't better off?

The 4,000,000 people who lost their jobs.
Obama Presides Over Most Jobs Lost Since 1940
And this was in January of 2010, I'm sure there are way more then that now.

 

[grunt11b]

How can liberals really justify voting for Obama in 2012?

Because he's been a good president. 90% of the Republican Party can never see that.

We can only see radical socialism and compare it to the founding documents and come to the conclusion that he is the biggest threat to a free society that this country has ever seen. I think you guys need to put down the weed and the pipe and wake up.

 

[grunt11b]

Anyone who gets a major party nomination these days is likely to be pretty dismal. The power brokers want someone they think they can control.

So, are we going to continue to fall for it? When will Democrats quit voting D, just 'cause their scared of the R - or vice versa? When will we start voting our conscience and stop giving the 'power brokers' what they want?

The only way brokers can interfere with elections is through voter fraud "Inwhich we witnessed in 2008 and again in 2010 with Murkowski winning in alaska and Reid winning in nevada". Other than fraud, the voter dictates who is elected.

 

[grunt11b]

Anyone who gets a major party nomination these days is likely to be pretty dismal. The power brokers want someone they think they can control.

By failing to adhere to the Framers’ original plan, we alone are responsible for the dysfunctional government we must now suffer.

While this is a rough patch..we still have the best government in the world.

Best country maybe, but not best government. A good government would not ram an unconstitutional bill that 75% of it's citizens would not want down their throats anyways. Unless by best government you mean a socialist/communist government, then you'd be correct.

 

[dblack]

The only way brokers can interfere with elections is through voter fraud "Inwhich we witnessed in 2008 and again in 2010 with Murkowski winning in alaska and Reid winning in nevada". Other than fraud, the voter dictates who is elected.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. For many decades, the Democrats and Republicans have been building barriers to prevent outsiders from having any real impact. After working on the grass roots campaign for Ron Paul in 2008, I can tell you from first hand experience, that no one gets through the primary process without backing from the 'power brokers'. And third parties are shut out by a variety of systemic barriers that effectively prevent any independent challenge to the powers-that-be.

 

[grunt11b]

Remember how Republicans handled the Katrina aftermath?

Katrina was to be dealt with locally, then at the state level and then federal level, it's not up to the federal government to get involved in state issues immediately unless the states need the help and ask for it, and in this case LA "Run by democrats at the time" dropped the ball, not the federal government. But on the other hand, the BP oil spill being 50 miles offshore was directly in federal jurisdiction but yet it took Berry 3 weeks before responding, now who fucked up what? Berry needed all that oil to cause a disaster to help garner support for the drilling moratoriums, bottom line.

How Republicans invaded Iraq and what happened?

A Republican president invaded Iraq with full support of congress and just about every Democrat supported the invasion. Let me refresh your memory.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW-mPiZoui8]‪The Truth About Democrat Views on Iraq‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
At least bush had congressional approval on Iraq, the same cannot be said about Obama and libya.

Who let Bin Laden go?

Bill Clinton let him go before Bush was in office.
On Tape, Clinton Admits Passing Up bin Laden Capture; Lewinsky Played Role

The economic mess the Republicans left for Obama?

The recession began before Bush got into office. The two wars just didn't help.

The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%?

Link?

CEO pay exploding?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3da1PjHH_Z0]‪Conflict of Interests: Obama Appoints GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]
Wow, that's gotta hurt.

Health care costs skyrocketing?

Of course they are, when you have more and more people coming into a system and less and less people paying for that system they will skyrocket, which is why Obamacare is going to fail right out of the gate.

The failed drugs for votes bill?

I think it's pretty clear who I'm going to vote for.

Sadly, we know.

 

[grunt11b]

The only way brokers can interfere with elections is through voter fraud "Inwhich we witnessed in 2008 and again in 2010 with Murkowski winning in alaska and Reid winning in nevada". Other than fraud, the voter dictates who is elected.

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. For many decades, the Democrats and Republicans have been building barriers to prevent outsiders from having any real impact. After working on the grass roots campaign for Ron Paul in 2008, I can tell you from first hand experience, that no one gets through the primary process without backing from the 'power brokers'. And third parties are shut out by a variety of systemic barriers that effectively prevent any independent challenge to the powers-that-be.

How do we fix it then?

 

[dblack]

How do we fix it then?

That's the question, to be sure. Getting away from plurality voting would help (e.g. approval voting), but I'm not sure there is any hope to fix it. The only thing that allowed for the brief flourish of freedom in the US was a real frontier, and those are all but gone. The science fiction authors will tell you it won't happen again until we get off this rock, but I dunno if it's really that bleak.

 

[oldsalt]

Remember how Republicans handled the Katrina aftermath?

How Republicans invaded Iraq and what happened?

Who let Bin Laden go?

The economic mess the Republicans left for Obama?

The redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%?

CEO pay exploding?

Health care costs skyrocketing?

The failed drugs for votes bill?

I think it's pretty clear who I'm going to vote for.

Fanned

 

[IndependntLogic]

‪President Obama on Death of Osama bin Laden‬‏ - YouTube
‪n0thing but headshots (Pt. 1)‬‏ - YouTube

Works for me.

So you would reelect someone that has spent 2.5 trillion dollars on failed policies, ruined an already fragile economy and talks out of both sides of his mouth all on the death of Bin Laden, that was only made possible by Bush era interrogation policies that Obama was against?
It doesn't surprise me.

1. I think Obama sucks balls.
2. Giving any credit whatsoever to the "Bush era policies" is an insult to every military / civvie interrogator who ever went through ICI. I know.
3. Obama still sucks balls but there are dots that even a civilian could connect that show that, althogh his domestic policy is a disaster, he's done well with national defense.
Or do you remember a time in your lifetime, when the US government publicly negotiated the release of a NOC agent (In this cae, in Islamibad), one month before one of our greatest enemies was taken out? Me either. Connect the dots. There's a lot to legitimately criticize about the guy but that area ain't one.

 

[Sarah G]

As if anyone could justify voting for an idiot republican candidate. Obama is the only choice.