How can Democrats be FOR immigration & the American poor at the same time?

[RandallFlagg]

"This country" seemed to be doing just fine until you NaziCon assholes made the national budget and national debt skyrocket.

You Goddamned Nazis and your bullshit charts. I'm relative sure that if I wanted to I could find a chart showing what a dumbass you are.....

I apologize, Randy. I should have known the chart was over your head. Chart Data Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt

OK dickhead. Show me THE REST of the chart. Let's see your Messiah's stats from the day HE took office till now. I'll be waiting asshole.

 

[RKMBrown]

"This country" seemed to be doing just fine until you NaziCon assholes made the national budget and national debt skyrocket.

You Goddamned Nazis and your bullshit charts. I'm relative sure that if I wanted to I could find a chart showing what a dumbass you are.....

I apologize, Randy. I should have known the chart was over your head. Chart Data Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt

You don't even know why your chart is stupid. That's the funny part.

Clue 1 spending is not the same as debt. Clue 2 congress holds the purse not the president.

 

[boedicca]

In response to the OP:

The Democrats being For Immigration and For The Poor is not a conflict.

By being For Immigration (in a Welfare State), the Dems ensure that there will be a growing number of The Poor for whom they can "fight".

 

[sealybobo]

Our border states are being overrun with the very job destroyers that the democrats profess to want to protect.

Secondly WHY do we need a new immigration policy? Just close the ******* border. We don't need anymore low income riff raff invading our country.

Because rather than them staying illegal so illegal employers (corporations) can hire them under the table illegally thus lowering wages, if they are legal that will bring their wages up and they will then be paying taxes.

In a perfect world us liberals would ship all the illegals home today and they would have to apply for citizenship the normal way. But unfortunately America has two signs on our border. A little one that says stay out and a big one that says HELP WANTED.

Would you sneak into Canada if you could make $200K a year? Why don't you? They aren't hiring you say??? Then I guess all the illegals would leave tomorrow if they lost their jobs. Put illegal employers in jail for 10 years.

Don't forget us liberals were complaining about this on Bush's watch. You guys said they were doing jobs Americans wouldn't do.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

1y for each offense to be served consecutively on a chain gang.

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

 

[RKMBrown]

You Goddamned Nazis and your bullshit charts. I'm relative sure that if I wanted to I could find a chart showing what a dumbass you are.....

I apologize, Randy. I should have known the chart was over your head. Chart Data Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt

OK dickhead. Show me THE REST of the chart. Let's see your Messiah's stats from the day HE took office till now. I'll be waiting asshole.

I esp. like how they put that stimulus on bush even though they asked for it, it his was paid back then spent again by obuma.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You Goddamned Nazis and your bullshit charts. I'm relative sure that if I wanted to I could find a chart showing what a dumbass you are.....

I apologize, Randy. I should have known the chart was over your head. Chart Data Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt

Randall: Well they uh...are a bunch of uh.....Nazi's *growl*

Again. Great chart. It just "happens" to NOT include figures from 2008 through today. Let's see those, shall we?

Oh, that's right, we COULDN'T who w Obama's numbers, now could we?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Our border states are being overrun with the very job destroyers that the democrats profess to want to protect.

Secondly WHY do we need a new immigration policy? Just close the ******* border. We don't need anymore low income riff raff invading our country.

That's what they said.....But oh nooooo....One horny ***** named Pocahontas had to go and ruin it for everybody else.

 

[rdean]

imo we've always had jobs you basically couldn't pay a citizen to take. But given our welfare state, we now have an underclass that actually lacks motivation to take jobs that would not greatly improve their standard of living. Of course, we also have citizens who are simply unemployable due to the failure to obtain even marginal skills.

Outsourcing and corporate welfare are major problems. When corporations milk all the cheap labor throughout the world, they'll turn to robots and monkeys.

Don't talk about democrats like that.

Remember, it's Republicans like Rick Perry going to California and New York trying to lure skilled workers to a state where there aren't any. No one is going to Texas looking for skilled workers.

Texas, Gov. Rick Perry are bold recruiters of businesses, jobs | Keep Texas Working

Taxes are low in Red States because they are subsidized by the Federal Government. There was a whole other thread on that. Red States are the ultimate welfare queens.

And don't forget Business wants immigrants with degrees. Republicans have worthless BahBull degrees from tier four BahBull colleges. The only thing they learn to do is "obstruct". They can't actually build anything worthwhile.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You Goddamned Nazis and your bullshit charts. I'm relative sure that if I wanted to I could find a chart showing what a dumbass you are.....

I apologize, Randy. I should have known the chart was over your head. Chart Data Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt

You don't even know why your chart is stupid. That's the funny part.

Clue 1 spending is not the same as debt. Clue 2 congress holds the purse not the president.

And that's the other thing. There is not ONE president who EVER proposed legislation, passed legislation then signed it into law. These Nazi's like to forget that the last two years of Bush's term - the Nazis were in control of both Houses up to 2010.

Oh, but we won't mention that. We'll just throw up "charts". That's why I say "Bullshit".

 

[g5000]

Those don't look like poor Americans on the southern border now do they?

You said "border states". Last I checked, New York is a border state.

Here's the start of your OP:

Our border states are being overrun with the very job destroyers...

See?

Oh, and enjoy the neg for your first stupid ass post inferring racism.

**** you troll

Since you changed "border states" to "southern border" after my post, then I was right. You're busted.

Those don't look like poor Americans on the southern border now do they?

See? You meant Mexicans the whole time.


We take you now to ARIZONA:

Applicants at a 2010 job fair for civilian defense workers.

You can be pretty sure these people didn't lose their jobs to lettuce-picking Mexicans.

I'm sorry to bring reality crashing in like that.

 

[RKMBrown]

Because rather than them staying illegal so illegal employers (corporations) can hire them under the table illegally thus lowering wages, if they are legal that will bring their wages up and they will then be paying taxes.

In a perfect world us liberals would ship all the illegals home today and they would have to apply for citizenship the normal way. But unfortunately America has two signs on our border. A little one that says stay out and a big one that says HELP WANTED.

Would you sneak into Canada if you could make $200K a year? Why don't you? They aren't hiring you say??? Then I guess all the illegals would leave tomorrow if they lost their jobs. Put illegal employers in jail for 10 years.

Don't forget us liberals were complaining about this on Bush's watch. You guys said they were doing jobs Americans wouldn't do.

Reclaiming the Issues: "It's an Illegal Employer Problem"

1y for each offense to be served consecutively on a chain gang.

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

I don't blame the illegals one bit. Most came here to work, well they did before this son of a ***** obuma began advertising for homeless, woman and children, sick and in-firmed to swamp our economy. I swear I'd spit in obumua's face if I had the chance.

Being here illegally is a minor offense not unlike jay walking. I admire illegals. I would prefer they get in line and come here via the legal route. That said I'm not a fan of anyone that comes here to get on the democrat led welfare gravy train. But again, I don't blame the illegals for our stupidity. Same at our hospitals where the illegals get free health care. I don't blame the illegals for taking the freely offered care, I blame the democrats who foisted the illegals health care bills on us. Again it's our stupidity that is the problem. But yes anyone hiring illegals should result in jail time.

We should do what Rubio outlined, give them temporary work visas for certain types of jobs, that apparently Americans wont do, and if they agree to certain conditions such as no welfare, and let them pay off their fines. Once people see that it's not a gravy train, things will go back to normal.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Those don't look like poor Americans on the southern border now do they?

You said "border states". Last I checked, New York is a border state.

Here's the start of your OP:

Our border states are being overrun with the very job destroyers...

See?



Since you changed "border states" to "southern border" after my post, then I was right. You're busted.

Those don't look like poor Americans on the southern border now do they?

See? You meant Mexicans the whole time.


We take you now to ARIZONA:

Applicants at a 2010 job fair for civilian defense workers.

You can be pretty sure these people didn't lose their jobs to lettuce-picking Mexicans.

I'm sorry to bring reality crashing in like that.

You don't bring reality jackass. You bring photos of people who CLEARLY don't represent the poor which also means your post is utterly pointless as to it's relevance to my op.

As stated.....**** off troll

 

[RandallFlagg]

1y for each offense to be served consecutively on a chain gang.

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

I don't blame the illegals one bit. They are here to work. Being here illegally is a minor offense not unlike jay walking. I admire illegals. I would prefer they get in line and come here via the legal route. That said I'm not a fan of anyone that comes here to get on the democrat led welfare gravy train. But again, I don't blame the illegals for our stupidity. Same at our hospitals where the illegals get free health care. I don't blame the illegals for taking the freely offered care, I blame the democrats who foisted the illegals health care bills on us. Again it's our stupidity that is the problem. But yes anyone hiring illegals should result in jail time. We should do what Rubio outlined, give them temporary work visas if they agree to certain conditions such as no welfare, and let them pay off their fines.

Agreed. I'm in the same boat there. Unfortunately, rather than enforce laws currently on the books (where they have been for the last 100 years) we are constantly bombarded by propaganda from the Nazi left that tells us that the immigration system is "broken" - it is not. It is just not enforced.

There is no need whatsoever for "new" laws. That's bullshit from the left in their attempt to open our borders and keep the US from enforcing it's sovereignty.

The left sees the "poor people from the South" as yet another round of enslaved people's to the government dole. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. Nothing more.

 

[g5000]

Grampa's mad I proved he was talking about Mexicans.

As I said, we had full employement with the same number of Mexicans we have now, if not more.

Then something bad happened in 2008...which seems to have been erased from some people's minds... and THAT is how the poor got fucked.

Revisionist bigots want to blame the Mexicans.

 

[RKMBrown]

Outsourcing and corporate welfare are major problems. When corporations milk all the cheap labor throughout the world, they'll turn to robots and monkeys.

Don't talk about democrats like that.

Remember, it's Republicans like Rick Perry going to California and New York trying to lure skilled workers to a state where there aren't any. No one is going to Texas looking for skilled workers.

Texas, Gov. Rick Perry are bold recruiters of businesses, jobs | Keep Texas Working

Taxes are low in Red States because they are subsidized by the Federal Government. There was a whole other thread on that. Red States are the ultimate welfare queens.

And don't forget Business wants immigrants with degrees. Republicans have worthless BahBull degrees from tier four BahBull colleges. The only thing they learn to do is "obstruct". They can't actually build anything worthwhile.

deflection deflection deflection

what did we touch a nerve in your monkey brain?

ROFL ^retard thinks Texas has no skilled workers.

 

[g5000]

It wasn't just the poor who got hurt by the crash in 2008. It was also the middle class. But that doesn't fit the bigots' narrative of Mexicans stealing jobs.

 

[sealybobo]

1y for each offense to be served consecutively on a chain gang.

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

I don't blame the illegals one bit. Most came here to work, well they did before this son of a ***** obuma began advertising for homeless, woman and children, sick and in-firmed to swamp our economy. I swear I'd spit in obumua's face if I had the chance.

Being here illegally is a minor offense not unlike jay walking. I admire illegals. I would prefer they get in line and come here via the legal route. That said I'm not a fan of anyone that comes here to get on the democrat led welfare gravy train. But again, I don't blame the illegals for our stupidity. Same at our hospitals where the illegals get free health care. I don't blame the illegals for taking the freely offered care, I blame the democrats who foisted the illegals health care bills on us. Again it's our stupidity that is the problem. But yes anyone hiring illegals should result in jail time.

We should do what Rubio outlined, give them temporary work visas for certain types of jobs, that apparently Americans wont do, and if they agree to certain conditions such as no welfare, and let them pay off their fines. Once people see that it's not a gravy train, things will go back to normal.

Do you consider social security and medicare bad things?

 

[RKMBrown]

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

I don't blame the illegals one bit. They are here to work. Being here illegally is a minor offense not unlike jay walking. I admire illegals. I would prefer they get in line and come here via the legal route. That said I'm not a fan of anyone that comes here to get on the democrat led welfare gravy train. But again, I don't blame the illegals for our stupidity. Same at our hospitals where the illegals get free health care. I don't blame the illegals for taking the freely offered care, I blame the democrats who foisted the illegals health care bills on us. Again it's our stupidity that is the problem. But yes anyone hiring illegals should result in jail time. We should do what Rubio outlined, give them temporary work visas if they agree to certain conditions such as no welfare, and let them pay off their fines.

Agreed. I'm in the same boat there. Unfortunately, rather than enforce laws currently on the books (where they have been for the last 100 years) we are constantly bombarded by propaganda from the Nazi left that tells us that the immigration system is "broken" - it is not. It is just not enforced.

There is no need whatsoever for "new" laws. That's bullshit from the left in their attempt to open our borders and keep the US from enforcing it's sovereignty.

The left sees the "poor people from the South" as yet another round of enslaved people's to the government dole. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. Nothing more.

Ayup, democrats sent tens of millions of immigrants to FL all those boat lifts in an attempt to redraw florida as a democrat state.. and they got pretty dang close. Now they are trying to do the same in AZ and TX with this round of immigrants. Notice how obuma is bringing in non worker immigrants now, as he wants to make sure none of them might become republican.

 

[sealybobo]

It wasn't just the poor who got hurt by the crash in 2008. It was also the middle class. But that doesn't fit the bigots' narrative of Mexicans stealing jobs.

Letting illegal workers in was part of the plan to destroy the middle class. If you want wages to go down flood the market with workers.

Before Reagan, illegals came here and left at the end of the migrant worker season. Today they stay and work at Krogers, Walmart, Tyson Chicken, Hotel Maid Service, Construction. All jobs Americans will do for a fair wage. But who wants to pay a fair wage, right?

 

[RKMBrown]

I know I made a good point when no right wingers argued back and the only one that did comment agreed with me.

See the rich and the corporations got us arguing about illegal workers when the real source of the problem is the illegal employers. Glad to see we agree on something.

I don't blame the illegals one bit. Most came here to work, well they did before this son of a ***** obuma began advertising for homeless, woman and children, sick and in-firmed to swamp our economy. I swear I'd spit in obumua's face if I had the chance.

Being here illegally is a minor offense not unlike jay walking. I admire illegals. I would prefer they get in line and come here via the legal route. That said I'm not a fan of anyone that comes here to get on the democrat led welfare gravy train. But again, I don't blame the illegals for our stupidity. Same at our hospitals where the illegals get free health care. I don't blame the illegals for taking the freely offered care, I blame the democrats who foisted the illegals health care bills on us. Again it's our stupidity that is the problem. But yes anyone hiring illegals should result in jail time.

We should do what Rubio outlined, give them temporary work visas for certain types of jobs, that apparently Americans wont do, and if they agree to certain conditions such as no welfare, and let them pay off their fines. Once people see that it's not a gravy train, things will go back to normal.

Do you consider social security and medicare bad things?

Define bad.

Not as bad they could be. It's certainly not welfare, as for the most part everyone pays for what they get. Albeit the upper middle class, typical huh, gets screwed by having to pay double what the top 1% and bottom 50% income folks are paying.

That said I think they are ponzi schemes.

I'd prefer to be able to opt out. I'd prefer to be able to receive a lump sum cash buy out for what I've put in, with no interest, that I could then manage in my own 401k.