How are Democrats pro-abortion but anti-school voucher?

[Ravi]

Democrats are "pro women's rights".

Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

– Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican

Women's right eh? Since when? Progressive thought is fairly concrete on the abortion issue. They want to cull the "bad" people out of society. And when Progressive say "bad" they mean black, hispanic, and asians.

That's why the left supports abortion.

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

Jesus will deal with him in the end.

 

[Article 15]

Democrats are "pro women's rights".

Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

– Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican

Women's right eh? Since when? Progressive thought is fairly concrete on the abortion issue. They want to cull the "bad" people out of society. And when Progressive say "bad" they mean black, hispanic, and asians.

That's why the left supports abortion.

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

It seems weird to me that more people don't realize what a delusional whack job Avatar is.

 

[editec]

Speaking as both a professional educator and some kind of liberal I can see how a voucher system could be designed that I could sign onto.

The problem as far as I envision a voucher system is going from where we are now to that system. The disruption of kids education and shakedown of the various new schools that will be founded would be rather chaotic at first.

And then too there's the question of how much the voucher system will cost and how do we (and who exactly) pays for it.

And then too there's the question of standards for the schools.

What minimums are expected, and who decides that?

The parents?

They're not qualified to decide what schools ought to teach, are they?

But if the buyer isn't qualified to make those decisions, then who is?

Somebody who is an advocate of this voucher system want to explain it in greater depth for me, please?



But the basic premise that schools ought to be run as private educational insitutions by educators rather than public instiutions run by school boards loaded with people who know nothing about education certainly has merit.

 

[bucs90]

1. School Vouchers are not the solution. Just how would you get that straighten out? Every kid gets an equal amount of money or the parents who pay the most get the most? And what about sales tax? Everyone has to keep receipts of everything they buy? Its too much of a hassle and in many states, funding is already cut to low performing schools. And school vouchers do nothing to break up unions. Thats a separate and complete non-issue in our education system.

2. Pro-Choice is better than paying Earned Income Credit. Lets look at this. A woman makes 25K, she gets pregnant. Now lets say we have a federally funded abortion. So bucs read this slow because I know you have reading comprehension problems so lets go:

Abortion: $800

vs.

EIC: $2,500 x 18= 45,000

Average savings per abortion= $44,200 over 18 years

Okay so the government spent 46 Billion dollars managing the program, that means at an average of 25K a year gives 1.84 million people that money. Lets say half took the abortion.

(920,000)(2,500)= 2.3 billion dollars x 18 = 41.4 billion dollars saved.

Its the fiscally conservative way.

Thanks for going slowly, this dumb ole Southern redneck ain't got that there high falootin book schoolin that ya'll got.


BUT you did go slow enough to expose yet another left winger (yourself) that is purposely or not going back to the ideals of eugenics.

So killing the kid is cheaper than raising it huh? Thats what eugenics followers believe. Kill off the poor, the sick, the dumb, the ones who drain on society's more fortunate. Planned Parenthood was founded on this principle, and Obama and Hillary praised that organization.

There is always the 3rd option- Have some accountability and responsibility, and DON'T GET PREGNANT BEFORE YOU CAN AFFORD TO.

Or, you can go with your logic: Kill the babies that aren't beneficial to our economy.

 

[Avatar4321]

Democrats are "pro women's rights".

Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

– Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican

Women's right eh? Since when? Progressive thought is fairly concrete on the abortion issue. They want to cull the "bad" people out of society. And when Progressive say "bad" they mean black, hispanic, and asians.

That's why the left supports abortion.

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

Ive studied the progressive movement. I havent lied about anything. That's why they've promoted Abortion from the beginning.

Your ignorance doesnt make me a liar.

 

[Avatar4321]

Women's right eh? Since when? Progressive thought is fairly concrete on the abortion issue. They want to cull the "bad" people out of society. And when Progressive say "bad" they mean black, hispanic, and asians.

That's why the left supports abortion.

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

Jesus will deal with him in the end.

Im confident He will. he will deal with you too.

Now who do you think He is going to look kinder upon:

Those who falsely acusse their fellow man of lying and support the murder of unborn babies?

Or those who tell the truth despite being libeled about it?

Search your heart and repent of your sins. Use the Atonement. It's the only way you can be more than you've let yourself become.

 

[Ravi]

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

Jesus will deal with him in the end.

Im confident He will. he will deal with you too.

Now who do you think He is going to look kinder upon:

Those who falsely acusse their fellow man of lying and support the murder of unborn babies?

Or those who tell the truth despite being libeled about it?

Search your heart and repent of your sins. Use the Atonement. It's the only way you can be more than you've let yourself become.

Again, Jesus doesn't approve of liars...and you are one of the biggest.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus will deal with him in the end.

Im confident He will. he will deal with you too.

Now who do you think He is going to look kinder upon:

Those who falsely acusse their fellow man of lying and support the murder of unborn babies?

Or those who tell the truth despite being libeled about it?

Search your heart and repent of your sins. Use the Atonement. It's the only way you can be more than you've let yourself become.

Again, Jesus doesn't approve of liars...and you are one of the biggest.

Again, how am i lying by pointing out that progressive support for abortion is based on the desire to eliminate the "bad" people of society. Which according to progressives were the poor and minorities?

It's called history. Read a book for once. Again, your ignorance doesnt make me a liar. It makes you ignorant.

 

[Ravi]

Im confident He will. he will deal with you too.

Now who do you think He is going to look kinder upon:

Those who falsely acusse their fellow man of lying and support the murder of unborn babies?

Or those who tell the truth despite being libeled about it?

Search your heart and repent of your sins. Use the Atonement. It's the only way you can be more than you've let yourself become.

Again, Jesus doesn't approve of liars...and you are one of the biggest.

Again, how am i lying by pointing out that progressive support for abortion is based on the desire to eliminate the "bad" people of society. Which according to progressives were the poor and minorities?

It's called history. Read a book for once. Again, your ignorance doesnt make me a liar. It makes you ignorant.

It is simply not true. Therefore, you are lying.

 

[Avatar4321]

It is simply not true. Therefore, you are lying.

Birth Control and Racial Betterment

Sure. Not true. Whatever you say.

 

[Ravi]

It is simply not true. Therefore, you are lying.

Birth Control and Racial Betterment

Sure. Not true. Whatever you say.

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

 

[Avatar4321]

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

Of course you don't want to know what people thought in the past. You would prefer to remain ignorant. That way you can pretend that abortion is a great thing.

But that doesn't change the fact that the basis for progressive support for abortion was eliminating the less desirables of the race and the "lesser" races. I haven't lied about anything and you screaming "liar!" with no evidence just means your in denial.

Why don't you simply admit that the basis for progressive support for abortion was the elimination of the "Weaker" races and to get rid of the "weaker" of the race (IE the poor)?

Why deny the truth?

Oh, and please stop using my Lord's name in vain. He really doesn't like people using Him to lie about others.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

Of course you don't want to know what people thought in the past. You would prefer to remain ignorant. That way you can pretend that abortion is a great thing.

But that doesn't change the fact that the basis for progressive support for abortion was eliminating the less desirables of the race and the "lesser" races. I haven't lied about anything and you screaming "liar!" with no evidence just means your in denial.

Why don't you simply admit that the basis for progressive support for abortion was the elimination of the "Weaker" races and to get rid of the "weaker" of the race (IE the poor)?

Why deny the truth?

Oh, and please stop using my Lord's name in vain. He really doesn't like people using Him to lie about others.

Protestant America was pro-choice in the 18th century. That is the basis of the Roe v. Wade ruling.

Protestant America turned anti-abortion in the 19th century, in large part as a racist/xenophobic reaction to the 19th century wave of foreign Catholic immigrants into the U.S.; the native Protestants began to believe that they would be overrun by the Catholics,

because the Catholics were anti-abortion, and had higher birth rates.

 

[Immanuel]

Democrats are "pro women's rights".

Republicans only want to get the kid born. Then starve it.

“My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed! You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.”

– Andre Bauer, lieutenant governor of South Carolina and a Republican

Women's right eh? Since when? Progressive thought is fairly concrete on the abortion issue. They want to cull the "bad" people out of society. And when Progressive say "bad" they mean black, hispanic, and asians.

That's why the left supports abortion.

liar and bull crap avatar....shame on you for always saying such crap....search your soul, you are promoting lies...

Explain this please?

It was you that brought the connection between Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger and Eugenics to my attention several years ago. Do you no longer believe that connection exists? Or do you no longer believe that today's left supports abortion for the reason of Eugenics if they ever did?

I can see where Avatar painted every one in the left as having the same agenda and I do not agree with his assessment. However, I am certain that there are some evil people who do support abortion for such reasons. Most people do not support abortion for that reason though.

Immie

 

[Ravi]

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

Of course you don't want to know what people thought in the past. You would prefer to remain ignorant. That way you can pretend that abortion is a great thing.

But that doesn't change the fact that the basis for progressive support for abortion was eliminating the less desirables of the race and the "lesser" races. I haven't lied about anything and you screaming "liar!" with no evidence just means your in denial.

Why don't you simply admit that the basis for progressive support for abortion was the elimination of the "Weaker" races and to get rid of the "weaker" of the race (IE the poor)?

Why deny the truth?

Oh, and please stop using my Lord's name in vain. He really doesn't like people using Him to lie about others.

First...I have no idea if she was a progressive or not. For all I know, she was a conservative Republican.

Second...I didn't say I didn't want to know, I said I don't care...and I don't. There is no one espousing anything like you are claiming today and there hasn't been since Poppa Bush and the neo-cons championed birth control as a means to control communist populations.

Third...you are still a liar, and like I said before, Jesus will deal with you in the end.

 

[Care4all]

Avatar....you do know that Margaret Sanger was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, don't you?

Chesler, a better historian than psychologist, doesn't quite know what to do with the numerous contradictions she has collected, but without them this would be a dull book. Sanger ''was an idealist who devoted herself to achieving concrete reform. A reformer who believed in the determining influence of both biology and culture. A bohemian who loved money...A confirmed sexual materialist who remained an incurable romantic. An adoring mother who abandoned her children. A Socialist who became a registered Republican

Women of Valor: Margaret Sanger and the Birth Control Movement in America | Books | EW.com

 

[Immanuel]

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

Of course you don't want to know what people thought in the past. You would prefer to remain ignorant. That way you can pretend that abortion is a great thing.

But that doesn't change the fact that the basis for progressive support for abortion was eliminating the less desirables of the race and the "lesser" races. I haven't lied about anything and you screaming "liar!" with no evidence just means your in denial.

Why don't you simply admit that the basis for progressive support for abortion was the elimination of the "Weaker" races and to get rid of the "weaker" of the race (IE the poor)?

Why deny the truth?

Oh, and please stop using my Lord's name in vain. He really doesn't like people using Him to lie about others.

Where I find a problem with your argument is that it assumes that everyone on the left has the same reasons for supporting abortion today and that those reasons are the same reasons that the founders of the eugenics philosophy had. I do not believe that to be true.

The Third Reich would be an analogy that I would use here. The majority of the German people were members of the NAZI Party because it was hazardous to their health not to be as opposed to being members because they were devout believers in the principles of the party.

The same kind of things apply to today's liberals. They support abortion because they believe in a woman's right to choose or they believe that the government should not be making this choice for a woman. They do not support abortion because they believe in the principles of eugenics. The fact that abortion is a prime tool of the eugenics movement does not mean that it is a tool of today's liberal for those reasons.

Immie

 

[Care4all]

also, you do know that Prescott Bush a republican, was the Treasurer for Planned Parenthood when they first began?

MSPP > Newsletter

 

[California Girl]

I don't care what people thought in the past...in the past Republicans were liberals...in the past Poppa Bush embraced limiting communism by encouraging birth control and abortion.

You lie based on something that is in the past and no longer valid.

Jesus wept.

Of course you don't want to know what people thought in the past. You would prefer to remain ignorant. That way you can pretend that abortion is a great thing.

But that doesn't change the fact that the basis for progressive support for abortion was eliminating the less desirables of the race and the "lesser" races. I haven't lied about anything and you screaming "liar!" with no evidence just means your in denial.

Why don't you simply admit that the basis for progressive support for abortion was the elimination of the "Weaker" races and to get rid of the "weaker" of the race (IE the poor)?

Why deny the truth?

Oh, and please stop using my Lord's name in vain. He really doesn't like people using Him to lie about others.

First...I have no idea if she was a progressive or not. For all I know, she was a conservative Republican.

Second...I didn't say I didn't want to know, I said I don't care...and I don't. There is no one espousing anything like you are claiming today and there hasn't been since Poppa Bush and the neo-cons championed birth control as a means to control communist populations.

Third...you are still a liar, and like I said before, Jesus will deal with you in the end.

He's not lying, Ravi. He's right. Politics aside, abortion was actively encouraged and promoted as a way to rid society of it's 'undesirables'. Those 'undesirables' included minorities, less well educated or educationally challenged, and the poor. Sad, but factually accurate.

 

[xsited1]

Avatar....you do know that Margaret Sanger was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN, don't you?

Chesler, a better historian than psychologist, doesn't quite know what to do with the numerous contradictions she has collected, but without them this would be a dull book. Sanger ''was an idealist who devoted herself to achieving concrete reform. A reformer who believed in the determining influence of both biology and culture. A bohemian who loved money...A confirmed sexual materialist who remained an incurable romantic. An adoring mother who abandoned her children. A Socialist who became a registered Republican

Women of Valor: Margaret Sanger and the Birth Control Movement in America | Books | EW.com

And that torch has been passed to the Democrats. Congratulations!