How America ended up with the worst maternity leave laws on earth

[Skull Pilot]

It should never be anyone's responsibility to pay another person who is not working.

For a better society, I disagree and so does everyone else EXCEPT us

How does that make society better?

It teaches people that they don't need to work to get paid.....oh wait.

 

[bripat9643]

For a better society, I disagree and so does everyone else EXCEPT us

Then feel free to find every pregnant woman you can and hand them all a couple grand.

That would only help a few people....My goal is to help the nation. Weird Idea I know

If everyone is as concerned as you, there should be no shortage of help. If not, then why should government force them to do it? Don't you believe in majority rule?

 

[bripat9643]

For a better society, I disagree and so does everyone else EXCEPT us

How does that make society better?

It teaches people that they don't need to work to get paid.....oh wait.

It also introduces violence into human transactions. That's always a good thing, right?

 

[initforme]

People should frankly not have kids. Then the blessed corporations will continue to profit.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Then feel free to find every pregnant woman you can and hand them all a couple grand.

That would only help a few people....My goal is to help the nation. Weird Idea I know

So you want business owners to" help" but you refuse.

Typical. As long as you're giving away other peoples' money you're happy

Here's a thought if you really want to "help" the entire nation why don't we add up the number f women giving birth every year and then bill every adult over the age of 18 for the cost of their maternity leave.

I didnt refuse I have my eye on what they call "the big picture".

Why are you talking about individuals? I'm referring to women with a job who need time off while they have a child.

Maybe that is why you dont understand me?

 

[ClosedCaption]

For a better society, I disagree and so does everyone else EXCEPT us

How does that make society better?

It teaches people that they don't need to work to get paid.....oh wait.

No again, someone with a job needs time off to have a child. Look if you are so against it why arent you crying about the maternity leave they get now? Let me take a wild guess....because they already get it, right? Ok, so when they get more time people like you will be ok with that too.

 

[initforme]

If someone choses to have a child why not just fire them? Tell them they are lowlife and send them on their way. Another corporate win. The united corporation of America.

 

[Politico]

"A month of maternity leave is another thing altogether. Why should other workers have to pay the cost of people who don't want to bear the cost of having offspring? Having an employee gone for a month is a huge burden on an employer. It can threaten the survival of the company."

While I understand your point of view, if one employee is gone for a month and that threatens the survival of the company, then something is very awry and wrong... severely wrong..with the company. A company such as that should not be allowed to survive.

It depends on the employee. If we're talking about some grocery bagger, then no, it won't endanger the company. If we're talking about some key person working on a big project, then it can. Many companies simply can't allow a position to go unfilled for an entire month, and there are many highly skilled positions that you just can't fill at the drop of a hat.

Furthermore, companies that hire a lot of young workers can have a real problem on their hands just from the number of employees who get pregnant. When I first graduated it seems like every other woman in the company I worked for was pregnant.

Allowed? What the employer thinks is irrelevant. The FMLA says they have to allow 12 weeks of maternity leave without fear of retaliation from trolls like initforme. Let's not confuse topics.

 

[RWHeathenGamer]

I am all for maternity leave. We can bring up birthrates and stop bringing in third world coolies under the excuse " we need them sustain our population growth", also, we can get more men back into the workforce and more women back into domestic roles.

I am glad liberals are on board with a very conservative policy prescription.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That would only help a few people....My goal is to help the nation. Weird Idea I know

So you want business owners to" help" but you refuse.

Typical. As long as you're giving away other peoples' money you're happy

Here's a thought if you really want to "help" the entire nation why don't we add up the number f women giving birth every year and then bill every adult over the age of 18 for the cost of their maternity leave.

I didnt refuse I have my eye on what they call "the big picture".

Why are you talking about individuals? I'm referring to women with a job who need time off while they have a child.

Maybe that is why you dont understand me?

You have trouble comprehending don't you.

If you want time off to have a kid then save up some vacation time, save some extra money and take the time off.

Your employer is NOT responsible for your reproductive choices.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am all for maternity leave. We can bring up birthrates and stop bringing in third world coolies under the excuse " we need them sustain our population growth", also, we can get more men back into the workforce and more women back into domestic roles.

I am glad liberals are on board with a very conservative policy prescription.

Most businesses if not all already offer maternity leave it's just not paid maternity leave.

 

[bripat9643]

How does that make society better?

It teaches people that they don't need to work to get paid.....oh wait.

No again, someone with a job needs time off to have a child. Look if you are so against it why arent you crying about the maternity leave they get now? Let me take a wild guess....because they already get it, right? Ok, so when they get more time people like you will be ok with that too.

Employers need people who are on the job working. They don't hire people so they can pay them for a month to do nothing. If a woman needs to not work after having a child, then let her quit. A lot of women take a year off or even five years off to have their children.

 

[bripat9643]

"A month of maternity leave is another thing altogether. Why should other workers have to pay the cost of people who don't want to bear the cost of having offspring? Having an employee gone for a month is a huge burden on an employer. It can threaten the survival of the company."

While I understand your point of view, if one employee is gone for a month and that threatens the survival of the company, then something is very awry and wrong... severely wrong..with the company. A company such as that should not be allowed to survive.

It depends on the employee. If we're talking about some grocery bagger, then no, it won't endanger the company. If we're talking about some key person working on a big project, then it can. Many companies simply can't allow a position to go unfilled for an entire month, and there are many highly skilled positions that you just can't fill at the drop of a hat.

Furthermore, companies that hire a lot of young workers can have a real problem on their hands just from the number of employees who get pregnant. When I first graduated it seems like every other woman in the company I worked for was pregnant.

Allowed? What the employer thinks is irrelevant. The FMLA says they have to allow 12 weeks of maternity leave without fear of retaliation from trolls like initforme. Let's not confuse topics.

Only Nazis believe what the employer thinks doesn't matter. I think Initforme is on the same side of this issue as you, so I don't know why you're calling him a troll

 

[Merchant_of_Meh]

For me, it's rather simple....People rarely think ahead these days. Too much afterthought and not enough forethought. If someone is that worried about maternity leave, check the company's policy on the matter before they accept a position. If you are not able to choose what jobs you can take then you either deal with the fact the company doesn't want to pay for maternity leave, try to change the company's stance on this from the inside or risk further unemployment until you find a company that will pay for maternity leave. There are choices in matters like this. People just don't always have the foresight to see them.

 

[Skull Pilot]

In my state here are the maternity leave laws

Maternity Leave Laws and Pregnancy in Connecticut

For a business like mine with less than 35 employees the leave granted by law is usually 6-8 weeks during which time the employee can take sick time and in our case we allow vacation time and any saved holiday time to be used.

We recently had two employees take maternity leave in the past 18 months. Both took 8 full weeks off then worked only 2 days a week for another month before coming back full time to their old jobs.

Both used their vacation and sick time during their leaves.

I see that as the business supporting my employees. There is no need for me to keep them on salary durng a maternity leave.

 

[ClosedCaption]

It teaches people that they don't need to work to get paid.....oh wait.

No again, someone with a job needs time off to have a child. Look if you are so against it why arent you crying about the maternity leave they get now? Let me take a wild guess....because they already get it, right? Ok, so when they get more time people like you will be ok with that too.

Employers need people who are on the job working. They don't hire people so they can pay them for a month to do nothing. If a woman needs to not work after having a child, then let her quit. A lot of women take a year off or even five years off to have their children.

Now, try this...Start the sentence with America needs or even words like "Society needs". Try it from that view just once. I'll wait

 

[Skull Pilot]

No again, someone with a job needs time off to have a child. Look if you are so against it why arent you crying about the maternity leave they get now? Let me take a wild guess....because they already get it, right? Ok, so when they get more time people like you will be ok with that too.

Employers need people who are on the job working. They don't hire people so they can pay them for a month to do nothing. If a woman needs to not work after having a child, then let her quit. A lot of women take a year off or even five years off to have their children.

Now, try this...Start the sentence with America needs or even words like "Society needs". Try it from that view just once. I'll wait

We are a society based on individual rights not collective rights. So what's good for the individual is good for the society.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Employers need people who are on the job working. They don't hire people so they can pay them for a month to do nothing. If a woman needs to not work after having a child, then let her quit. A lot of women take a year off or even five years off to have their children.

Now, try this...Start the sentence with America needs or even words like "Society needs". Try it from that view just once. I'll wait

We are a society based on individual rights not collective rights. So what's good for the individual is good for the society.

Great, so why does everyone keep debating from the point of what is good for the company?

Not once have you argued what is good about less maternity from the individuals side.


Go ahead, give it a try.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Now, try this...Start the sentence with America needs or even words like "Society needs". Try it from that view just once. I'll wait

We are a society based on individual rights not collective rights. So what's good for the individual is good for the society.

Great, so why does everyone keep debating from the point of what is good for the company?

Not once have you argued what is good about less maternity from the individuals side.


Go ahead, give it a try.

Companies are owned by individuals or groups of individuals aren't they? The people working at those companies that have to take up the slack are individuals too aren't they?

There is nothing special about giving birth. people have been doing it for millions of years

And as I said most companies are already bound by law to give maternity leave.

The point of this thread as I saw it was whether maternity leave should be paid leave.

It should not.

 

[ClosedCaption]

You cant even do it...