How about a simple solution - Part 2

[teddyearp]

I wish to build again on my thread here:

How about a simple solution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Let's try this. What if "Palestine" declared independence as a free, peaceful, and non-violent state within all of Gaza and every part of the West bank that is under their control right now.

Many times parallels have been drawn between the colonization of the United States and how it affected the Native Americans; and the I/P conflict. Sure there are many many differences, but again, there are many similarities. The native americans had a much different culture from the Europeans, just as the Israelis and the Palestinians. I'm going to slip this in as well. It can on the very surface be seen that it is not fair to those who lived in Israel when the state was formed. I admit that. Neither was it in the long run for the Indians when the Europeans came.

But here is a story of hope that is in keeping with my original thread. It is the story of the western apache bands in eastern arizona.

Take a read here:

Fort Apache History

I hope you read it all since I am not going to quote any of it here. I will give a quick synopsis. There were a few different tribes/bands of Apaches who lived on and loved their land (like the Palestinians) but realized that they could not defeat militarily their foes (they saw what was coming). Instead, they invited the Europeans to build a fort on their land. It wasn't all smooth as there were some skirmishes and even Goyathlay came along and took some off with him. But years later, they have no European/American control per se and have the most beautiful land that I have yet to see in the United States. And a lot of it.

p.s. do please make note that my article linked is on the official WMAT server before you say it is bs propaganda.

 

[Tom Sweetnam]

I wish to build again on my thread here:

How about a simple solution US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Let's try this. What if "Palestine" declared independence as a free, peaceful, and non-violent state within all of Gaza and every part of the West bank that is under their control right now.

Many times parallels have been drawn between the colonization of the United States and how it affected the Native Americans; and the I/P conflict. Sure there are many many differences, but again, there are many similarities. The native americans had a much different culture from the Europeans, just as the Israelis and the Palestinians. I'm going to slip this in as well. It can on the very surface be seen that it is not fair to those who lived in Israel when the state was formed. I admit that. Neither was it in the long run for the Indians when the Europeans came.

But here is a story of hope that is in keeping with my original thread. It is the story of the western apache bands in eastern arizona.

Take a read here:

Fort Apache History

I hope you read it all since I am not going to quote any of it here. I will give a quick synopsis. There were a few different tribes/bands of Apaches who lived on and loved their land (like the Palestinians) but realized that they could not defeat militarily their foes (they saw what was coming). Instead, they invited the Europeans to build a fort on their land. It wasn't all smooth as there were some skirmishes and even Goyathlay came along and took some off with him. But years later, they have no European/American control per se and have the most beautiful land that I have yet to see in the United States. And a lot of it.

p.s. do please make note that my article linked is on the official WMAT server before you say it is bs propaganda.

Israel is an anchor baby.

 

[Daniyel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

 

[pbel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

 

[Phoenall]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

Unless they are offered something in return the muslims will remain fragmented and each will have their own agenda. The two biggest groups in islam cant even agree on what aspects of religion to follow, so what chance do they have of fighting the same battle.

 

[pbel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

Unless they are offered something in return the muslims will remain fragmented and each will have their own agenda. The two biggest groups in islam cant even agree on what aspects of religion to follow, so what chance do they have of fighting the same battle.

When are you going to reply to your LIE about Carnegie's, and JP Morgan's bankers who made America prosper, were of the Jewish Faith, otherwise GO F your-self!

 

[Daniyel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

 

[pbel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

 

[Daniyel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

 

[pbel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

What-ever, Cut our losses, we are now energy independent, Let Israel and the Arabs settle their war without our involvement by arming any side...It invites Terrorism for Americans at home for NO strategic gains...

Israel is a Net Liability.

 

[Daniyel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

What-ever, Cut our losses, we are now energy independent, Let Israel and the Arabs settle their war without our involvement by arming any side...It invites Terrorism for Americans at home for NO strategic gains...

Israel is a Net Liability.

You still don't get it? You are an enemy by default.
It is not about Israel and minor disagreements here and there, its about religions.
America,Europe, Australia, Asia, Israel this is just a priority ladder you dummy.

 

[Daniyel]

And the worse part of your cruelty and selfishness is that both ships will sink.

 

[pbel]

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

What-ever, Cut our losses, we are now energy independent, Let Israel and the Arabs settle their war without our involvement by arming any side...It invites Terrorism for Americans at home for NO strategic gains...

Israel is a Net Liability.

You still don't get it? You are an enemy by default.
It is not about Israel and minor disagreements here and there, its about religions.
America,Europe, Australia, Asia, Israel this is just a priority ladder you dummy.

Of course I know that...That's why America should be standing for freedom and not conquests by Israel dragging us into her wars...

Vetoing a Palestinian homeland at the UN or buying votes, all because of Israeli backed AIPAC buying congress in America. Shame.

 

[Daniyel]

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

What-ever, Cut our losses, we are now energy independent, Let Israel and the Arabs settle their war without our involvement by arming any side...It invites Terrorism for Americans at home for NO strategic gains...

Israel is a Net Liability.

You still don't get it? You are an enemy by default.
It is not about Israel and minor disagreements here and there, its about religions.
America,Europe, Australia, Asia, Israel this is just a priority ladder you dummy.

Of course I know that...That's why America should be standing for freedom and not conquests by Israel dragging us into her wars...

Vetoing a Palestinian homeland at the UN or buying votes, all because of Israeli backed AIPAC buying congress in America. Shame.

You missed the earlier part about you being an enemy by default, I can fairly call you a lefty just because you can't understand DANGER when its exploding in your face, anyway my point is clear and I can't tell if you bother reading my posts or not but your logic capabilities are just a shame to mankind.

 

[pbel]

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

I'm sorry to inform you.
Dar al-Harb - WikiIslam

What-ever, Cut our losses, we are now energy independent, Let Israel and the Arabs settle their war without our involvement by arming any side...It invites Terrorism for Americans at home for NO strategic gains...

Israel is a Net Liability.

You still don't get it? You are an enemy by default.
It is not about Israel and minor disagreements here and there, its about religions.
America,Europe, Australia, Asia, Israel this is just a priority ladder you dummy.

Of course I know that...That's why America should be standing for freedom and not conquests by Israel dragging us into her wars...

Vetoing a Palestinian homeland at the UN or buying votes, all because of Israeli backed AIPAC buying congress in America. Shame.

You missed the earlier part about you being an enemy by default, I can fairly call you a lefty just because you can't understand DANGER when its exploding in your face, anyway my point is clear and I can't tell if you bother reading my posts or not but your logic capabilities are just a shame to mankind.

I'm sure what you're saying was all pre-planned by Israel via AIPAC, I am very familiar with the treacheries like Pollard, Liberty and Lavon affairs against my country.

You don't fool me...

 

[Phoenall]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

Unless they are offered something in return the muslims will remain fragmented and each will have their own agenda. The two biggest groups in islam cant even agree on what aspects of religion to follow, so what chance do they have of fighting the same battle.

When are you going to reply to your LIE about Carnegie's, and JP Morgan's bankers who made America prosper, were of the Jewish Faith, otherwise GO F your-self!

Have done, did you miss it

 

[Phoenall]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

You forgot to mention the gambler that sold his underwear to gamble again - and I don't really know where you are going with this but know that - we are not as stupid as you like us to be, and the "hundreds of millions" are already regrouping - its happening in Europe, the most Muslim-friendly region except Israel of course, so instead of trashing down your only ally consider Israel as your best advisory and friend for the day the Muslims will be offended by the American flag and decide to wave ISIS flag over the white house, after all we've passed the stage where you spot failure.
Swedish school bans the Swedish flag
ISIS We will raise our flag in the White House - The Week

Before Israel, America had no enemies in the Middle East.

Apart from islam that has called the USA the Great Shaitan since the mid 1800's

 

[pbel]

In few years the Palestinians would regret they didn't..
Like an addicted gambler they take the all-in time and again and surprised they lose(And for you smartypants like pbel that believe any time it would be different or so - ''the house always wins'').

The house will fall in time like it always has for European invaders...The hundreds of millions will regroup, time will whittle US support and your decedents will flee...That's the story of this area.

Unless they are offered something in return the muslims will remain fragmented and each will have their own agenda. The two biggest groups in islam cant even agree on what aspects of religion to follow, so what chance do they have of fighting the same battle.

When are you going to reply to your LIE about Carnegie's, and JP Morgan's bankers who made America prosper, were of the Jewish Faith, otherwise GO F your-self!

Have done, did you miss it

re-post it.

 

[Roudy]

Israel will be annexing the West Bank but it will take time. Gaza will be demilitarized, stripped of Hamas and its terrorist leadership and given to the Palestinians as an autonomous region. There is no other solution.

 

[teddyearp]

pbel, you seem to forget that the indians tried the same thing fighting the americans for over two hundred years, thinking that they would wipe them out. They finally decided to cut their losses and call for peace so that they could keep what little was left to them.

Shouldn't the Palestinians learn from that?