How About A Real President?

[Sallow]

Your posts are like the string of dominoes that children set up so that they can be knocked down.

One fantasy after another....

"The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."

Consider reading about the JFK-Nixon election.
You have heard of Chicago, haven't you?

Don't have to "read" about it..I live through it.

Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"It's sickening that the right..has gotten it into it's head it can de-legitimize a duly elected President when it's not the one they wanted."

Sally...if you only had the gift of irony.

1. In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

2. The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:

George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


3. New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

4. An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
VOA | Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English


If you had an honest bone in your body, you'll post the same thing about your side.

Funny you bring up George W. Bush..who lost the General election. But some how the state where his brother was sitting Governor, his campaign manager was the secretary of state, and a FOX news employee, who was his cousin called the election, became the battle ground. And a sitting judge, appointed by the man who his father was vice president for and close friend of his own running mate wrote the majority opinion which essentially stated this was a one time emergency decision never to be considered again in any other court case.

Yeah..that's legit.

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

Whether of not that is true, how's this for a bit of Bush-Gore trivia:
One-third of the votes that Gore received above Bush's total came from D.C., where Gore received 86% of the vote.

And D.C. adds 3 electoral votes to the total...

now get this:

D.C. is not a state: the Constitution gives states the right to have electors...Article II, Section 2.


BTW, Code, Sally didn't get this. Care to try: there are 538 electors. Which Presidents got over 500 of the votes?

 

[JBeukema]

4. Protectionist policies like the ones that led to the Great Depression and the ones you endorse do not help the economy.

Disincentivizing the end of American manufacturing and the relocation of your job overseas brought about the Great Depression?

When we discover that we cannot compete, your solution is to keep others from competting?

What are you on about now? Do you know anything about the history of the labour movement? Do you know why transnational corporations operate across the borders of nation-states? It's so that can evade workplace and environmental safety laws and avoid paying a living wage. And the Right tells the masses that the solution is to return to 'the good ol' days' and join the unprotected in the sweatshops- all so the bourgeoisie can further increase their profit margin.

Socialist reforms brought us safe working conditions and decent pay for the proletariat in the West, enabling the rise of the working class and leading to an era of unprecedented prosperity in America and Europe. Combined with social changes, including [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Way-We-Never-Were-Nostalgia/dp/0465090974"]a wholly new model of the family[/ame], we saw an era of liberty and wellbeing for the common man never seen before or since. Now the bourgeoisie seek to circumvent the authority of the nation-state by returning us to neocolonial days in order [ame="http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0901orourke.html"]to better exploit[/ame] [ame="http://www.dosomething.org/tipsandtools/background-sweatshops"]the world proletariat[/ame]- undermining the gains made here in the process, as seen by the declining real income of the working man. Meanwhile they tighten their stranglehold on the machinations of the State using the same old methods.He [ame="http://www.mybudget360.com/top-1-percent-control-42-percent-of-financial-wealth-in-the-us-how-average-americans-are-lured-into-debt-servitude-by-promises-of-mega-wealth/"]who controls the wealth[/ame] controls the States and the armies of the world. That is why sociopolitical parity and effective democracy have always come with measures to combat gross wealth/income inequality, such as the 90+ marginal tax rates that were in effect during some of America's most prosperous days.

By removing the incentives to send your job overseas or produce goods in countries lacking the reforms enacted here, we not only help hold onto the gains of the Wobblies et al that enable our standard of living, we keep you off the streets and in your home while also helping to prevent the spread of sweatshops and slavery.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your posts are like the string of dominoes that children set up so that they can be knocked down.

One fantasy after another....

"The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."

Consider reading about the JFK-Nixon election.
You have heard of Chicago, haven't you?

Don't have to "read" about it..I live through it.

Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different.

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

 

[Flopper]

"It's sickening that the right..has gotten it into it's head it can de-legitimize a duly elected President when it's not the one they wanted."

Sally...if you only had the gift of irony.

1. In the first full study of Florida's ballots since the election ended, The Miami Herald and USA Today reported George W. Bush would have widened his 537-vote victory to a 1,665-vote margin if the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court would have been allowed to continue, using standards that would have allowed even faintly dimpled "undervotes" -- ballots the voter has noticeably indented but had not punched all the way through -- to be counted.
Online NewsHour: Media Recount: Bush Won

2. The lead of an April 4, 2001 USA Today story headlined, “Newspapers' recount shows Bush prevailed,” by reporter Dennis Cauchon:

George W. Bush would have won a hand count of Florida's disputed ballots if the standard advocated by Al Gore had been used, the first full study of the ballots reveals. Bush would have won by 1,665 votes -- more than triple his official 537-vote margin -- if every dimple, hanging chad and mark on the ballots had been counted as votes, a USA TODAY/Miami Herald/Knight Ridder study shows. The study is the first comprehensive review of the 61,195 "undervote" ballots that were at the center of Florida's disputed presidential election....


3. New York Times headline clearly stated, "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote,Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote - NYTimes.com

4. An exhaustive review of last year's disputed presidential election in Florida indicates that George W. Bush still would have defeated Al Gore even if Mr. Gore had been granted the limited vote recounts he was seeking. Several U.S. news organizations consider the study the final word on the 2000 presidential election.
The study found that even if Al Gore had won the right to limited recounts in Florida, he still would have lost to Mr. Bush by at least 200 votes. The official results gave Mr. Bush a 537 vote victory.
VOA | Newspaper Study Says Bush Won Florida Recount | News | English


If you had an honest bone in your body, you'll post the same thing about your side.

Funny you bring up George W. Bush..who lost the General election. But some how the state where his brother was sitting Governor, his campaign manager was the secretary of state, and a FOX news employee, who was his cousin called the election, became the battle ground. And a sitting judge, appointed by the man who his father was vice president for and close friend of his own running mate wrote the majority opinion which essentially stated this was a one time emergency decision never to be considered again in any other court case.

Yeah..that's legit.

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

The Electoral College is a product of a bygone era and it should be scrapped. The only reason we have the electoral college is the founding fathers didn't trust the people, the height of arrogance.

 

[JBeukema]

the founding fathers didn't trust the people

Take a walk. Look around. You really think those people could govern themselves?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Funny you bring up George W. Bush..who lost the General election. But some how the state where his brother was sitting Governor, his campaign manager was the secretary of state, and a FOX news employee, who was his cousin called the election, became the battle ground. And a sitting judge, appointed by the man who his father was vice president for and close friend of his own running mate wrote the majority opinion which essentially stated this was a one time emergency decision never to be considered again in any other court case.

Yeah..that's legit.

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

The Electoral College is a product of a bygone era and it should be scrapped. The only reason we have the electoral college is the founding fathers didn't trust the people, the height of arrogance.

Let me guess: you had a liberal social studies teacher in a government school.

The reasons had to do with distances and lack of the dissemination of the kind of information that leads to informed decison making.

See, it was before Gore invented the Internet.

 

[Sallow]

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think you're being clever..but you're not.

I posted previously that the right wing birchers were calling Kennedy all sorts of names including "communist", "a puppet of the Catholic pope" and a "Manchurian Candidate". However there was also a war escalating in Vietnam..and Kennedy didn't serve as President all that long. In case you didn't hear the news..he was assassinated by a commie.

But heck..do keep up.

 

[Synthaholic]

Your posts are like the string of dominoes that children set up so that they can be knocked down.

One fantasy after another....

"The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."

Consider reading about the JFK-Nixon election.
You have heard of Chicago, haven't you?

Don't have to "read" about it..I live through it.

Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different.

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

 

[jillian]

Don't have to "read" about it..I live through it.

Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different.

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

 

[Samson]

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Nixon went to China because he was a commie.

 

[Ernie S.]

Funny you bring up George W. Bush..who lost the General election. But some how the state where his brother was sitting Governor, his campaign manager was the secretary of state, and a FOX news employee, who was his cousin called the election, became the battle ground. And a sitting judge, appointed by the man who his father was vice president for and close friend of his own running mate wrote the majority opinion which essentially stated this was a one time emergency decision never to be considered again in any other court case.

Yeah..that's legit.

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

Whether of not that is true, how's this for a bit of Bush-Gore trivia:
One-third of the votes that Gore received above Bush's total came from D.C., where Gore received 86% of the vote.

And D.C. adds 3 electoral votes to the total...

now get this:

D.C. is not a state: the Constitution gives states the right to have electors...Article II, Section 2.


BTW, Code, Sally didn't get this. Care to try: there are 538 electors. Which Presidents got over 500 of the votes?

Seeing no one seems to know, I'll give it a try.
Nixon over McGovern, Reagan over Mondale and, I think, FDR, (don't know who ran against him, a bit before my time)

 

[Synthaholic]

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Ahh, but neither would Reagan. Or Bush The Wiser. Or Dole. Or Ford.

Or, (oh, gawd) even Goldwater, who used to be known as 'The Father Of Conservatism'.

 

[Synthaholic]

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Nixon went to China because he was a commie.

Conservatism and Liberalism is not defined by foreign policy, it's defined by domestic policy.

 

[Synthaholic]

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

Whether of not that is true, how's this for a bit of Bush-Gore trivia:
One-third of the votes that Gore received above Bush's total came from D.C., where Gore received 86% of the vote.

And D.C. adds 3 electoral votes to the total...

now get this:

D.C. is not a state: the Constitution gives states the right to have electors...Article II, Section 2.


BTW, Code, Sally didn't get this. Care to try: there are 538 electors. Which Presidents got over 500 of the votes?

Seeing no one seems to know, I'll give it a try.
Nixon over McGovern, Reagan over Mondale and, I think, FDR, (don't know who ran against him, a bit before my time)

I believe it was Alf Landon (but it could have been Willkie).

It's not that nobody knew, it's that it's irrelevant to the thread, or even the points Political Chick is trying to make. Plus, nobody cares.

 

[Sallow]

This is getting serious, Sal....I'm beginning to detect signs of schizophrenia: first you say "The right would not have put up with the same circumstances in reverse."


But now you argue "Nixon never challenged the vote. Had he..things might have been different."

Or are you arguing that Nixon wasn't on the right?

Wow, you don't need anyone else to debate: you take both sides.

Can't lose that way, huh?

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Make no mistake..Nixon was extremely intelligent and dangerous. He was a sociopath.

 

[Synthaholic]

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Make no mistake..Nixon was extremely intelligent and dangerous. He was a sociopath.

Okay. But that doesn't speak to his political orientation.

He was not a conservative, or an ideologue.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It's quite probable that the people who voted cast a majority of votes that were intended to elect Gore. That is Probable. What is actual is that the ballots recounted numerous time before and and after the final results showed that Bush won the state.

How can that be?

Well, in the state of Florida, the Butterfly ballot designed by and approved by Democrat Party operatives was the, again, probable, cause. About 3000 people in the very Democrat precincts of Broward County voted in heavy majorities for Pat Buchannon. The people who cast these ballots were too stupid to be able to read the instructions or to read the ballot at all or to ask for help.

3000 people with suspect intelligence voted for the wrong guy. No matter what the outcome of the election, our president resulting from that election was determined by people too stupid to vote.

Whether of not that is true, how's this for a bit of Bush-Gore trivia:
One-third of the votes that Gore received above Bush's total came from D.C., where Gore received 86% of the vote.

And D.C. adds 3 electoral votes to the total...

now get this:

D.C. is not a state: the Constitution gives states the right to have electors...Article II, Section 2.


BTW, Code, Sally didn't get this. Care to try: there are 538 electors. Which Presidents got over 500 of the votes?

Seeing no one seems to know, I'll give it a try.
Nixon over McGovern, Reagan over Mondale and, I think, FDR, (don't know who ran against him, a bit before my time)

Good work! The right answer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You think Nixon was a rightwinger? Please show conservative support through the years for wage and price controls. After you have done so, we can move on to other Nixonian actions and policies.

nixon was probably the most liberal president we had in my lifetime.

he wouldn't make it past the republican primaries now.

Make no mistake..Nixon was extremely intelligent and dangerous. He was a sociopath.

Perfect for the USMB: that's our demographic!