How A Culture Dies

[Shogun]

To How A Thread Dies?

Very easy when Shogun (with the help of equally annoying troll Huggy) enter the discussion!

Shogun don't you want to take another hiatus?

Perhaps you can finally grow some balls and get your cast lead on to get me out of here...


I'll even tell you im an arab if you think it will help put you in the mood for killing.

 

[Barb]

oh ok.. so you DONT care that your own patriarchal dogma infused society still maintains rigid gender roles to this very day but the thought of muslims having rigid dogma based gender roles just pisses you off. Gotcha. Way to tell the globe to do as you say, not as you do.



And, individual cases of muslim fathers kiling daughters is no more a generalized activity than christian fathers letting "Elders" like Warren Jeffs plug their daughters. But, hey, who needs reality when you've got some bullshit rhetoric from world net daily to pretend is reality?


populatons validate gender bias? wow, thats a hellova standard you got there, dude... so, let me get this strait: it's NOT OK for a third of the world's population to subscribe to rigid gender roles.... but it's A-OK for western christian cults to espouse as much as long as their total population doesn't exceed a third of the global population? Nice, dude. I hope the guy whose brain surgery you are performing later today realizes what kind of a masterful thinker will be manhandling his gray matter.


I think chicks from whatever culture should wear whatever they think is in line with their beliefs. Clearly, by your standard, we should be hunting down NUNS and forcing those bitches into itsy bitsy, teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikinis.




I tellya, nutter motherfuckers are not just a product of your favorite scapegoat, dude. You are the kind of guy that proves fuckstickery happens among every culture regardless of your target du jour.

Western ideas of superiority in the realm of women’s civil liberty are a myth easily refuted by the study of history. Every abuse of women in Islamic society was once part of Christian and /or Jewish religious law or custom, including the veil, introduced to Muslim life by the Christian Byzantium

Helluva payback for algebra (ok, that may be a legitimate bitch) the translation of the Greek texts, modern medicine, astronomy (not to be confused with astrology) et cetera, ad nauseam, to include the many gifts that the West received, the absence of which would have left us in the dark, never having experienced our "enlightenment".

I have to laugh a little when I see people still pontificating that the ME lives in the dark ages when we would be living there ourselves if not for their scholars. Sure, Radical Politicized Islam has been a problem. It's a cautionary tale though, when you think of where Radical, politicized Christianity wants to take us (To WAR with Radical, politicized Islam!).

You don't suppose they share a military industrial complex, do you?/SIZE]

Let me take a shot in the dark, your a 9/11 truther (or douche bag as I call them)!

Where is the link between the facts I posted and whatever your pet project is?

 

[GHook93]

Western ideas of superiority in the realm of women’s civil liberty are a myth easily refuted by the study of history. Every abuse of women in Islamic society was once part of Christian and /or Jewish religious law or custom, including the veil, introduced to Muslim life by the Christian Byzantium

Helluva payback for algebra (ok, that may be a legitimate bitch) the translation of the Greek texts, modern medicine, astronomy (not to be confused with astrology) et cetera, ad nauseam, to include the many gifts that the West received, the absence of which would have left us in the dark, never having experienced our "enlightenment".

I have to laugh a little when I see people still pontificating that the ME lives in the dark ages when we would be living there ourselves if not for their scholars. Sure, Radical Politicized Islam has been a problem. It's a cautionary tale though, when you think of where Radical, politicized Christianity wants to take us (To WAR with Radical, politicized Islam!).

You don't suppose they share a military industrial complex, do you?/SIZE]

Let me take a shot in the dark, your a 9/11 truther (or douche bag as I call them)!

Where is the link between the facts I posted and whatever your pet project is?

Are you a truther?

 

[GHook93]

Hey WJ,

I am doing my part, I have 2 kids and one on the way. The wife and I plan on having 4-5 kids total.

Oh wait I'm a Jew so I don't get to play on either team, esp not the the white team, correct?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

 

[p kirkes]

I haven't informed myself about the influx of Islam into western civilization and it's effect.

The video was disturbing to me and the consequences seemingly unavoidable for the "West".

However, the video didn't address two other huge non-Muslim civilizations, China and India.

Will these civilizations be able to co-exist in an otherwise Islamic world?

If or when Islam gains the upper hand in European countries and begin the process of political, educational and religious domination, as they must, then it will be a simple choice, convert or die.

I believe it will be a process over time, maybe a few decades, but Muslims will not assimilate into a target country's existing law and order but establish a parallel government and eventually swallow the old order.

I posit that a domino effect will cause other nations, downstream from the first take overs, to capitulate rather than suffer. Those nations will suffer regardless.

Is this too fatalistic a view? How do I react? I'm at a loss, my own country's laws allow this influx and then it will be to late.

 

[Barb]

oh ok.. so you DONT care that your own patriarchal dogma infused society still maintains rigid gender roles to this very day but the thought of muslims having rigid dogma based gender roles just pisses you off. Gotcha. Way to tell the globe to do as you say, not as you do.



And, individual cases of muslim fathers kiling daughters is no more a generalized activity than christian fathers letting "Elders" like Warren Jeffs plug their daughters. But, hey, who needs reality when you've got some bullshit rhetoric from world net daily to pretend is reality?


populatons validate gender bias? wow, thats a hellova standard you got there, dude... so, let me get this strait: it's NOT OK for a third of the world's population to subscribe to rigid gender roles.... but it's A-OK for western christian cults to espouse as much as long as their total population doesn't exceed a third of the global population? Nice, dude. I hope the guy whose brain surgery you are performing later today realizes what kind of a masterful thinker will be manhandling his gray matter.


I think chicks from whatever culture should wear whatever they think is in line with their beliefs. Clearly, by your standard, we should be hunting down NUNS and forcing those bitches into itsy bitsy, teeny weeny yellow polka dot bikinis.




I tellya, nutter motherfuckers are not just a product of your favorite scapegoat, dude. You are the kind of guy that proves fuckstickery happens among every culture regardless of your target du jour.

Western ideas of superiority in the realm of women’s civil liberty are a myth easily refuted by the study of history. Every abuse of women in Islamic society was once part of Christian and /or Jewish religious law or custom, including the veil, introduced to Muslim life by the Christian Byzantium

Helluva payback for algebra (ok, that may be a legitimate bitch) the translation of the Greek texts, modern medicine, astronomy (not to be confused with astrology) et cetera, ad nauseam, to include the many gifts that the West received, the absence of which would have left us in the dark, never having experienced our "enlightenment".

I have to laugh a little when I see people still pontificating that the ME lives in the dark ages when we would be living there ourselves if not for their scholars. Sure, Radical Politicized Islam has been a problem. It's a cautionary tale though, when you think of where Radical, politicized Christianity wants to take us (To WAR with Radical, politicized Islam!).

You don't suppose they share a military industrial complex, do you?/SIZE]

Let me take a shot in the dark, your a 9/11 truther (or douche bag as I call them)!

Let me take a shot in the dark, your a 9/11 truther (or douche bag as I call them)!

Where is the link between the facts I posted and whatever your pet project is?

Are you a truther?

No, (I assume you mean to ask if I espouse conspiracy theories about 9/11?) but I still don't see the connection between that leap and what I posted. Are they particularly threatening to you? I'm a college student, 1st yr grad, and studied ME histories, politics, religions as an undergrad. The ME was not my major, and I'm by no means an expert, but what I posted happen to be facts.

 

[GHook93]

I haven't informed myself about the influx of Islam into western civilization and it's effect.

In America, neither have I. I think that is due to a good part that the Muslims

The video was disturbing to me and the consequences seemingly unavoidable for the "West".

The closer European countries get to 50% the more problems you will have. Shit look at the riots in France at 10% of the population. Look at Russia at 25% of the population. Supposedly its one of the worst places to live if your a Muslim. Its nearly equivalent to the pogram days!

However, the video didn't address two other huge non-Muslim civilizations, China and India.

China, I believe has anywhere between 20 to as high as 60 mil Muslims and they are targeted and fighting against Muslim separatist. The East Turkestan (who are Muslims) claim a large piece of China. See what they claim below. They are responsible for much of the terrorist acts in China and where the ones that planned the prevented terrorist attack during the Olympics!

In India 10% of the population is Islamic, 110 million people. They are also in a constant struggle with suppressing Islamic extremism. Based primarily around Kashimir

Terrorism in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Will these civilizations be able to co-exist in an otherwise Islamic world?

What many people don't realize is that no country can really survive with Islamic extremist, and that includes Islamic Countries. Jordan, Algeria, Egypt and now Pakistan can't live with Islamic extremist!

If or when Islam gains the upper hand in European countries and begin the process of political, educational and religious domination, as they must, then it will be a simple choice, convert or die.

Before it gets to the point I believe there will be a large and violent cultural clash!

 

[HUGGY]

I think it is clear that Jews are a far better people then are the Muslims.

I dissagree. I know many muslims, casually, and I find them polite, articulate and peaceful. Seiks are pretty cool too.

With only a few exceptions the jews I have encountered are rude cowardly pushy assholes.

So you see Muslims as a better people then Jews?

I don't think like that. As far as easier to get along with in society definitly yes. The fact that both groups believe in and base thier lives on fairy tales is troublesome.

 

[GHook93]

I don't think

I think we all figured that out a long time ago!

 

[Shogun]

oh looky.. a racist jew talking shit right before he cries antisemite when shit is thrown back his way. Gosh, thats so RARE!

 

[Tank]

Soooo, how do Muslims feel about Jews?

 

[Tank]

That is some scary stuff but it is the truth, the white liberal guilt trip destroyed it's own culture.

It's the liberal's fault that Western Civilization is reproducing at a rate of less than 1.6, and that Muslims are reproducing at a rate of 8?

How do you figure?

Having less children is a civilized evolutionary act, it makes for being able to provide a better quality of life for the children and keeps down the worlds overpopulation.

Having a litter of children is a animals way of thinking, needing more children in hopes that a few will survive.

The liberal guilt trip is the feeling that whites are responsible for the way people of color behave and are they reason why people of colors evoution has been slower.

 

[Shogun]

Soooo, how do Muslims feel about Jews?

I guess you'd have to ask an entire third of the global population to find out.



I know, that is just not as fun as assuming that they all conform to your worst common denominator. Thank god we have a word when that same kind of racism is applied to jews, eh?

 

[Anguille]

shennanigans. People still interact. It's just by using a different forum. Fuck. 11 million people play one single fucking online game with each other. Gimme a break.

That's not really human interaction, Sho. YOu can try to tell yourself that it is, but it isn't...not really. It's digital masterbating

Seriously, go read a paper from pre WWI and see what the lives of your grandfathers' were like. They were in the community because the sense of community was in them

Sport, we are a people hemmed in by teaming masses we fear and we're STILL dying of lonliness?

And what does our television constantly tell us FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!..Hate the other, and amigo....everybody is the fucking OTHER.

And we read the outcome of this continuous propaganda in posts on this board every day.

So much hate, so much base machismo, so much sheer selfish arrogance and all based on what?

The almighty fucking dollar?

Based on lies, chum...just like you ALREADY sense the dollar really is.

The ME ME ME story they've been selling us about the sanctity of the INDIVIDUAL is a sickness if it forgets that it the individual is important as a member of a society.


That's exactly why they call anything remotely smacking of any our better angels as SOCIALISM, you know.

Humans are social creatures, that's what made us great.

Why... if you were of a REALLY primative CHRISTIAN religious (not one of these bible thumping assholes who want us to kill in the name of Jesus!) you might even ask yourself how on earth so many people have been hoodwinked into thinking everything is out to get them, and it's all about their self actualizing egos grasping for the golden ring

What we're witnessing right now is exactly what a personified devil would do to screw up mankind, you know.

Sow the seeds of discontent, fear and materialism and then stand back and laugh as people starve in a world of plenty.


Look, look look at everything you stand for, Sho...you stand up for the oppressed when you see them, don't you. You understand why unions made sense you stand for humanism for the people.

Now consider what the people who mock you on this board sound like.

they're infantile/ They really still think they can find happiness in their pathetic materialism.

Yes, this culture is dying, chum..it's dying of infantile greed.

I watch and I marvel that it can possible be so fucked up, I really do.

Not that I find any other culture without problems, but honestly...if you were an outsider looking at us, would YOU want to be US?

Well you might if all you saw was our supermarkets and knew hunger, but what if your culture gave you enough and more importantly gave you a sense of indentity, too?

Does YOUR culture make you feel at home, Sho?

I'm thinking it doesn't.

Well, me neither, sport, me neither.

And I'm thinking that you and I aren't the only ones who sense that something is not right, and not right in the most fundamental sense.

Half the people who cannot stand what you and I stand for sense it too, only they believe the lies of this society and they have been given their marchingorders from Babylon, dude.

It's not really their fault, you know. That's why it's so counterproductive to get angry with them.

They WANT TO DO RIGHT but they don't know how.

And so they look for the bad guys to kill, one way or the other that's the mission a lot of the folks here think they're on.

Divide and conquer...the game goes on.

In the past people may have been physically closer but I don't think they were emotionally closer or more honest with each other.

 

[Anguille]

Is there a group of people that treat women worse then Muslims do?

Under Jewish law women have no right to representation. Under Sharia law women do. But misogynists exist in every religious group. It's got less to do with religion and more to do with culture and psychology and testosterone than anything else.

 

[Tank]

Under Jewish law women have no right to representation. Under Sharia law women do. But misogynists exist in every religious group. It's got less to do with religion and more to do with culture and psychology and testosterone than anything else.

Come on now, are you serious?


Golda Meir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[editec]

shennanigans. People still interact. It's just by using a different forum. Fuck. 11 million people play one single fucking online game with each other. Gimme a break.

That's not really human interaction, Sho. YOu can try to tell yourself that it is, but it isn't...not really. It's digital masterbating

Seriously, go read a paper from pre WWI and see what the lives of your grandfathers' were like. They were in the community because the sense of community was in them

Sport, we are a people hemmed in by teaming masses we fear and we're STILL dying of lonliness?

And what does our television constantly tell us FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!..Hate the other, and amigo....everybody is the fucking OTHER.

And we read the outcome of this continuous propaganda in posts on this board every day.

So much hate, so much base machismo, so much sheer selfish arrogance and all based on what?

The almighty fucking dollar?

Based on lies, chum...just like you ALREADY sense the dollar really is.

The ME ME ME story they've been selling us about the sanctity of the INDIVIDUAL is a sickness if it forgets that it the individual is important as a member of a society.


That's exactly why they call anything remotely smacking of any our better angels as SOCIALISM, you know.

Humans are social creatures, that's what made us great.

Why... if you were of a REALLY primative CHRISTIAN religious (not one of these bible thumping assholes who want us to kill in the name of Jesus!) you might even ask yourself how on earth so many people have been hoodwinked into thinking everything is out to get them, and it's all about their self actualizing egos grasping for the golden ring

What we're witnessing right now is exactly what a personified devil would do to screw up mankind, you know.

Sow the seeds of discontent, fear and materialism and then stand back and laugh as people starve in a world of plenty.


Look, look look at everything you stand for, Sho...you stand up for the oppressed when you see them, don't you. You understand why unions made sense you stand for humanism for the people.

Now consider what the people who mock you on this board sound like.

they're infantile/ They really still think they can find happiness in their pathetic materialism.

Yes, this culture is dying, chum..it's dying of infantile greed.

I watch and I marvel that it can possible be so fucked up, I really do.

Not that I find any other culture without problems, but honestly...if you were an outsider looking at us, would YOU want to be US?

Well you might if all you saw was our supermarkets and knew hunger, but what if your culture gave you enough and more importantly gave you a sense of indentity, too?

Does YOUR culture make you feel at home, Sho?

I'm thinking it doesn't.

Well, me neither, sport, me neither.

And I'm thinking that you and I aren't the only ones who sense that something is not right, and not right in the most fundamental sense.

Half the people who cannot stand what you and I stand for sense it too, only they believe the lies of this society and they have been given their marchingorders from Babylon, dude.

It's not really their fault, you know. That's why it's so counterproductive to get angry with them.

They WANT TO DO RIGHT but they don't know how.

And so they look for the bad guys to kill, one way or the other that's the mission a lot of the folks here think they're on.

Divide and conquer...the game goes on.

bullshit. thats nothing less than a paranoid rant. You might as well go ahead and make sure you didn't turn into a kafka-like bug.

Nice literary refernce...not exactly germane, but A for the effort

YOU might not consider social networking via net tech as relevant as some fucking 1930s social mixer but I guarenfuckingtee you can find and keep in contact with the most obscure friend from the 3rd grade THESE DAYS rather than 70 years ago using the internet.

You know...I often wonder if the internet might not be the best thing that has happened to community in a long time.

So I'll grant you the internet's POTENTIAL to reforge that SENSE of community which is so vital to society.

But note, please if you will, how the internet is also helping us divide into likeminded groups which don't really bond us all together in a sense of community, but in fact give us the opportunity to find like minded individuals just so we do not HAVE to learn to get along with those whose ideas are far different than ours.

The internet is rather like living in a huge city where one can, completely ignore one's neighbors because one can find the people who are MOST like us somewhere in that city.

Now in a smaller community one must learn to get along with people who are very unlike us. And as that social interaction forces us to get along, it also modifies our attitude about the OTHER.

How long do you think TROLL behavior will be tolerate in an FTF venue?

Do you really think that any of the people here who say some of the horrid things they do to each other would do that FTF?

They might, but they won't do it often.

Imagine this small town scenario...they happen quite frequently because THEY MUST happen precisely because people in smaller communities have no CHOICE but to create a modus vivendi:

Sure editec is an idiot. But you know...I had coffee that guy the other day, and while I still think he's an idiot, he also loves his dog. And our kids seem to get along, so...maybe he isn't so bad.

Hell, you think THIS KIND OF FORUM doesn't replace a withering Elk's Lodge?

No, it doesn't.. it's a good thing, but it's not (at least to date) quite the good community-building thing like I was talking about.

Are my posts just figments of your schizophrenic imagination? No? Then lay off the pipe, dude.

Hey go fuck yourself, Sho.

I'm trying to discuss a general trend in society and community with you like you were an adult and you start insulting me personally, why?

Ironically the above sort of proves my point...

You would NOT say that to me in an FTF situation. You might think you would, now, but in an FTF situation, I promise you would not have said that to me.

It is extraordinarily RARE to find the level of bile that is TYPICAL on an internet board, in any FTF interaction.

I think you must understand why that is, too, so I won't belabor that point.

NO culture coddles anyone.

Coddling? I'm apparently not making my point very clearly to you, am I?

For christs sake, THEN radio announcers were telling people that fucking martians had landed AND THE PEOPLE REACTED OUT OF SHEAR IGNORANCE AND LACK OF SOCIAL NETWORKING.

Nice try, but that had nothing to do with a lack of social networking. That had to do with a lack of information. Ironically what did people do when that happened?

I can tell you because my mother lived through it. People started pounding on their NEIGHBORS doors telling them to prepare for an invasion. Why? Because that's what NEIGHBORS IN A COMMUNITY do.

And as to the internet's ability to inform? It is a ALSO double edged sword...its ability to inform AND misinform are equally great.

Now, we have no less than a handful of fact checkers and myth busters at our interactive fingertips. Do you think a soldier in ww1 might have liked to enjoy broadband video chat? Or, any other small town deep in the boonies that was so far removed from populated areas that some families NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THEIR COUNTIES? Hell, if anything, the internet is the greatest harbinger of a GLOBALIZED society where we come to realize actual consequences and reactions to OUR behaviour. Without the internet, Harriet Meyers would be a scotus judge RIGHT NOW. think about that..

and then pass me the good stuff you must be smoking.

Oh, I get why you're so obviously angry with what I'd written

You think I'm attacking the internet's potential, don't you?

No, that was not what I am doing.

I'm one of the early internet pioneers who actually takes advantage of that potential in a fiarly remarkable why, now, aren't I?

I am merely telling you that the internet's abilities are as yet, not remotely capable of creating that sense of community in the way that sense of community used to work.

Ironically, in many cases, it actually works against that real world community that I'm talking about.

But the fact that boards like these exist definitely DOES show us exactly how much people are looking for that community, doesn't it?

Like I say, go read a newpaper from 100 years ago and see how much authentic FTF community was going on.

Then compare today's local newpapers (if you can find any) and see how paultry community events (and particiapation of same) exists today.

 

[GHook93]

Can you expect any less from the troll of USMB! Shogun is a thread killer. He derails ever thread with his over-the-top antisemites and just well childish arguments. The little guy really on internet steroids.

That's not really human interaction, Sho. YOu can try to tell yourself that it is, but it isn't...not really. It's digital masterbating

Seriously, go read a paper from pre WWI and see what the lives of your grandfathers' were like. They were in the community because the sense of community was in them

Sport, we are a people hemmed in by teaming masses we fear and we're STILL dying of lonliness?

And what does our television constantly tell us FEAR! FEAR! FEAR!..Hate the other, and amigo....everybody is the fucking OTHER.

And we read the outcome of this continuous propaganda in posts on this board every day.

So much hate, so much base machismo, so much sheer selfish arrogance and all based on what?

The almighty fucking dollar?

Based on lies, chum...just like you ALREADY sense the dollar really is.

The ME ME ME story they've been selling us about the sanctity of the INDIVIDUAL is a sickness if it forgets that it the individual is important as a member of a society.


That's exactly why they call anything remotely smacking of any our better angels as SOCIALISM, you know.

Humans are social creatures, that's what made us great.

Why... if you were of a REALLY primative CHRISTIAN religious (not one of these bible thumping assholes who want us to kill in the name of Jesus!) you might even ask yourself how on earth so many people have been hoodwinked into thinking everything is out to get them, and it's all about their self actualizing egos grasping for the golden ring

What we're witnessing right now is exactly what a personified devil would do to screw up mankind, you know.

Sow the seeds of discontent, fear and materialism and then stand back and laugh as people starve in a world of plenty.


Look, look look at everything you stand for, Sho...you stand up for the oppressed when you see them, don't you. You understand why unions made sense you stand for humanism for the people.

Now consider what the people who mock you on this board sound like.

they're infantile/ They really still think they can find happiness in their pathetic materialism.

Yes, this culture is dying, chum..it's dying of infantile greed.

I watch and I marvel that it can possible be so fucked up, I really do.

Not that I find any other culture without problems, but honestly...if you were an outsider looking at us, would YOU want to be US?

Well you might if all you saw was our supermarkets and knew hunger, but what if your culture gave you enough and more importantly gave you a sense of indentity, too?

Does YOUR culture make you feel at home, Sho?

I'm thinking it doesn't.

Well, me neither, sport, me neither.

And I'm thinking that you and I aren't the only ones who sense that something is not right, and not right in the most fundamental sense.

Half the people who cannot stand what you and I stand for sense it too, only they believe the lies of this society and they have been given their marchingorders from Babylon, dude.

It's not really their fault, you know. That's why it's so counterproductive to get angry with them.

They WANT TO DO RIGHT but they don't know how.

And so they look for the bad guys to kill, one way or the other that's the mission a lot of the folks here think they're on.

Divide and conquer...the game goes on.

Nice literary refernce...not exactly germane, but A for the effort



You know...I often wonder if the internet might not be the best thing that has happened to community in a long time.

So I'll grant you the internet's POTENTIAL to reforge that SENSE of community which is so vital to society.

But note, please if you will, how the internet is also helping us divide into likeminded groups which don't really bond us all together in a sense of community, but in fact give us the opportunity to find like minded individuals just so we do not HAVE to learn to get along with those whose ideas are far different than ours.

The internet is rather like living in a huge city where one can, completely ignore one's neighbors because one can find the people who are MOST like us somewhere in that city.

Now in a smaller community one must learn to get along with people who are very unlike us. And as that social interaction forces us to get along, it also modifies our attitude about the OTHER.

How long do you think TROLL behavior will be tolerate in an FTF venue?

Do you really think that any of the people here who say some of the horrid things they do to each other would do that FTF?

They might, but they won't do it often.

Imagine this small town scenario...they happen quite frequently because THEY MUST happen precisely because people in smaller communities have no CHOICE but to create a modus vivendi:

Sure editec is an idiot. But you know...I had coffee that guy the other day, and while I still think he's an idiot, he also loves his dog. And our kids seem to get along, so...maybe he isn't so bad.




No, it doesn't.. it's a good thing, but it's not (at least to date) quite the good community-building thing like I was talking about.





Hey go fuck yourself, Sho.

I'm trying to discuss a general trend in society and community with you like you were an adult and you start insulting me personally, why?

Ironically the above sort of proves my point...

You would NOT say that to me in an FTF situation. You might think you would, now, but in an FTF situation, I promise you would not have said that to me.

It is extraordinarily RARE to find the level of bile that is TYPICAL on an internet board, in any FTF interaction.

I think you must understand why that is, too, so I won't belabor that point.



Coddling? I'm apparently not making my point very clearly to you, am I?




Nice try, but that had nothing to do with a lack of social networking. That had to do with a lack of information. Ironically what did people do when that happened?

I can tell you because my mother lived through it. People started pounding on their NEIGHBORS doors telling them to prepare for an invasion. Why? Because that's what NEIGHBORS IN A COMMUNITY do.

And as to the internet's ability to inform? It is a ALSO double edged sword...its ability to inform AND misinform are equally great.

Now, we have no less than a handful of fact checkers and myth busters at our interactive fingertips. Do you think a soldier in ww1 might have liked to enjoy broadband video chat? Or, any other small town deep in the boonies that was so far removed from populated areas that some families NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THEIR COUNTIES? Hell, if anything, the internet is the greatest harbinger of a GLOBALIZED society where we come to realize actual consequences and reactions to OUR behaviour. Without the internet, Harriet Meyers would be a scotus judge RIGHT NOW. think about that..

and then pass me the good stuff you must be smoking.

Oh, I get why you're so obviously angry with what I'd written

You think I'm attacking the internet's potential, don't you?

No, that was not what I am doing.

I'm one of the early internet pioneers who actually takes advantage of that potential in a fiarly remarkable why, now, aren't I?

I am merely telling you that the internet's abilities are as yet, not remotely capable of creating that sense of community in the way that sense of community used to work.

Ironically, in many cases, it actually works against that real world community that I'm talking about.

But the fact that boards like these exist definitely DOES show us exactly how much people are looking for that community, doesn't it?

Like I say, go read a newpaper from 100 years ago and see how much authentic FTF community was going on.

Then compare today's local newpapers (if you can find any) and see how paultry community events (and particiapation of same) exists today.

 

[Shogun]

Nice literary refernce...not exactly germane, but A for the effort

You know...I often wonder if the internet might not be the best thing that has happened to community in a long time.

So I'll grant you the internet's POTENTIAL to reforge that SENSE of community which is so vital to society.

But note, please if you will, how the internet is also helping us divide into likeminded groups which don't really bond us all together in a sense of community, but in fact give us the opportunity to find like minded individuals just so we do not HAVE to learn to get along with those whose ideas are far different than ours.

The internet is rather like living in a huge city where one can, completely ignore one's neighbors because one can find the people who are MOST like us somewhere in that city.

Now in a smaller community one must learn to get along with people who are very unlike us. And as that social interaction forces us to get along, it also modifies our attitude about the OTHER.

How long do you think TROLL behavior will be tolerate in an FTF venue?

Do you really think that any of the people here who say some of the horrid things they do to each other would do that FTF?

They might, but they won't do it often.

Imagine this small town scenario...they happen quite frequently because THEY MUST happen precisely because people in smaller communities have no CHOICE but to create a modus vivendi:

Sure editec is an idiot. But you know...I had coffee that guy the other day, and while I still think he's an idiot, he also loves his dog. And our kids seem to get along, so...maybe he isn't so bad.




No, it doesn't.. it's a good thing, but it's not (at least to date) quite the good community-building thing like I was talking about.





Hey go fuck yourself, Sho.

I'm trying to discuss a general trend in society and community with you like you were an adult and you start insulting me personally, why?

Ironically the above sort of proves my point...

You would NOT say that to me in an FTF situation. You might think you would, now, but in an FTF situation, I promise you would not have said that to me.

It is extraordinarily RARE to find the level of bile that is TYPICAL on an internet board, in any FTF interaction.

I think you must understand why that is, too, so I won't belabor that point.



Coddling? I'm apparently not making my point very clearly to you, am I?




Nice try, but that had nothing to do with a lack of social networking. That had to do with a lack of information. Ironically what did people do when that happened?

I can tell you because my mother lived through it. People started pounding on their NEIGHBORS doors telling them to prepare for an invasion. Why? Because that's what NEIGHBORS IN A COMMUNITY do.

And as to the internet's ability to inform? It is a ALSO double edged sword...its ability to inform AND misinform are equally great.

Now, we have no less than a handful of fact checkers and myth busters at our interactive fingertips. Do you think a soldier in ww1 might have liked to enjoy broadband video chat? Or, any other small town deep in the boonies that was so far removed from populated areas that some families NEVER MADE IT OUT OF THEIR COUNTIES? Hell, if anything, the internet is the greatest harbinger of a GLOBALIZED society where we come to realize actual consequences and reactions to OUR behaviour. Without the internet, Harriet Meyers would be a scotus judge RIGHT NOW. think about that..

and then pass me the good stuff you must be smoking.

Oh, I get why you're so obviously angry with what I'd written

You think I'm attacking the internet's potential, don't you?

No, that was not what I am doing.

I'm one of the early internet pioneers who actually takes advantage of that potential in a fiarly remarkable why, now, aren't I?

I am merely telling you that the internet's abilities are as yet, not remotely capable of creating that sense of community in the way that sense of community used to work.

Ironically, in many cases, it actually works against that real world community that I'm talking about.

But the fact that boards like these exist definitely DOES show us exactly how much people are looking for that community, doesn't it?

Like I say, go read a newpaper from 100 years ago and see how much authentic FTF community was going on.

Then compare today's local newpapers (if you can find any) and see how paultry community events (and particiapation of same) exists today.

First off, you are not an intimidating person so you might want to lay off what you THINK I would or would not say to you in person. Your cute little hippie rage might get you an extra serving of lentils on the hog farm but I assure you that frenzied bitchsauce reactions like this are about as impressive as your apparent ability to miss a Kafka reference.


1. Are you dense enough to believe that humans JUST STARTED coagulating into like minded groups in THIS GENERATION? Tribal cultures IN GENERAL are a manifestation of like minded groups so spare me the dimestore sociology when every goddamn human organization since the dawn of fucking man has been rife with groups of like minded people. Hell, our own TWO PARTY SYSTEM wasn't inveted in 19 fucking 80. The clashing of homogenized cultures was no less of a fact when Rome's Ceasars were busy getting fucking politically murdered than when MLK enjoyed the wrong end of a fucking gun.

Your "small town" example is a fucking joke. Small towns have never been the icon of the fucking andy griffith show. Your aged memories might be polishing a turd here. Do you think the Hatfields and Mccoys CAME FROM A FUCKING URBAN ENVIRONMENT?

It involved two warring families of the West Virginia-Kentucky backcountry along the Tug Fork River, off the Big Sandy River.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatfield-McCoy_feud

I tellya, so fucking metropolitan that I'm just fucking SHOCKED superman didn't intervene.

Yea dude.. The very piece of information, THE GODDAMN RADIO, sure WAS the sole culprit! After all, I'm sure you can imagine the whole goddamn listening area reacting with frying pans and shotguns IF SUCH COULD BE VERIFIED ON THE GODDAMN INTERNET AND SOCIAL NETWRKING SIGHTS. I can see the fucking Status now...

"Hunting Martians on Hump Day.. Livin' for the weekend!"



I suggest you roll up a nice fat one and enjoy some Snopes dot come while pondering the very fucking forum we are both chatting on at the moment. Your panhead relatives weren't busy chatting it up with anyone from across the goddamn nation about a broad range of subject we cover here at USMB. Tell me, what was the goddamn equivilent to internet message boards in 194 fucking 7?

We NOW have plenty of examples of people doing shit from getting married to getting divorces ON A SOCIAL GODDAMN VIRTUAL GAME-LIKE NETWORK. If you think society is breaking down and becoming MORE isolated then you have clearly missed, at the very least, the last 2 presidential elections where an internet culture influenced more than what was ONCE isolated bastions of fucking political kingdoms. It's the difference of how we GET our information and how we REFLECT on such with an almost immediate fucking feedback by our chosen peers. Old Elks clubs are the NEW messageboard forums. We, as an american culture, are no less social, no less empathetic, no less polarized than we have ever been. Our society is not breaking down in any sense. If anything, this medium strengthens a common resolve. THIS is not the fucking age of William F Buckly molding what it means to be conservative via Crossfire and myriad of books. THIS is the age where people pick and choose which fucking points they support and which they dont BECAUSE of the ability to become social with more people than Hayseed Jack down at the fucking Five & Dine porch.


No, this forum doesn't tell me that we all just really, REALLY wish we had someone local to identify with. Thats just silly. You think no one wrote fucking letters to their like minded peers 100 fucking years ago? Gimme a fucking break.


Geed fucking grief, you think you CANT find community involvement compared to newspaper from 100 years ago? From community paper Talkbacks to forums to email to facebook (try keeping up with your goddamn highschool friends 100 fucking years ago.. yea, dude. REAL social) the very premise of your argument fails.



regardless of how many angry, bitter racist jews pipe in to offer token support.


true fucking story.

 

[Shogun]

Can you expect any less from the troll of USMB! Shogun is a thread killer. He derails ever thread with his over-the-top antisemites and just well childish arguments. The little guy really on internet steroids.

Nice literary refernce...not exactly germane, but A for the effort



You know...I often wonder if the internet might not be the best thing that has happened to community in a long time.

So I'll grant you the internet's POTENTIAL to reforge that SENSE of community which is so vital to society.

But note, please if you will, how the internet is also helping us divide into likeminded groups which don't really bond us all together in a sense of community, but in fact give us the opportunity to find like minded individuals just so we do not HAVE to learn to get along with those whose ideas are far different than ours.

The internet is rather like living in a huge city where one can, completely ignore one's neighbors because one can find the people who are MOST like us somewhere in that city.

Now in a smaller community one must learn to get along with people who are very unlike us. And as that social interaction forces us to get along, it also modifies our attitude about the OTHER.

How long do you think TROLL behavior will be tolerate in an FTF venue?

Do you really think that any of the people here who say some of the horrid things they do to each other would do that FTF?

They might, but they won't do it often.

Imagine this small town scenario...they happen quite frequently because THEY MUST happen precisely because people in smaller communities have no CHOICE but to create a modus vivendi:

Sure editec is an idiot. But you know...I had coffee that guy the other day, and while I still think he's an idiot, he also loves his dog. And our kids seem to get along, so...maybe he isn't so bad.




No, it doesn't.. it's a good thing, but it's not (at least to date) quite the good community-building thing like I was talking about.





Hey go fuck yourself, Sho.

I'm trying to discuss a general trend in society and community with you like you were an adult and you start insulting me personally, why?

Ironically the above sort of proves my point...

You would NOT say that to me in an FTF situation. You might think you would, now, but in an FTF situation, I promise you would not have said that to me.

It is extraordinarily RARE to find the level of bile that is TYPICAL on an internet board, in any FTF interaction.

I think you must understand why that is, too, so I won't belabor that point.



Coddling? I'm apparently not making my point very clearly to you, am I?




Nice try, but that had nothing to do with a lack of social networking. That had to do with a lack of information. Ironically what did people do when that happened?

I can tell you because my mother lived through it. People started pounding on their NEIGHBORS doors telling them to prepare for an invasion. Why? Because that's what NEIGHBORS IN A COMMUNITY do.

And as to the internet's ability to inform? It is a ALSO double edged sword...its ability to inform AND misinform are equally great.



Oh, I get why you're so obviously angry with what I'd written

You think I'm attacking the internet's potential, don't you?

No, that was not what I am doing.

I'm one of the early internet pioneers who actually takes advantage of that potential in a fiarly remarkable why, now, aren't I?

I am merely telling you that the internet's abilities are as yet, not remotely capable of creating that sense of community in the way that sense of community used to work.

Ironically, in many cases, it actually works against that real world community that I'm talking about.

But the fact that boards like these exist definitely DOES show us exactly how much people are looking for that community, doesn't it?

Like I say, go read a newpaper from 100 years ago and see how much authentic FTF community was going on.

Then compare today's local newpapers (if you can find any) and see how paultry community events (and particiapation of same) exists today.

Shouldn't you be killing a pregnant arab, killer, instead of appealing to Edetic like israel does the US?