House passes tough immigration bill

[OKTexas]

Why not a amnesty for the illegals that can be proven to of worked for over 5 years in this country. Sure, deport the rest.

How about we give them all, let's be generous here, say a year to self deport and they can take all their stuff with them. If they are caught here after that time, send them home with nothing and we can sell their stuff to pay for the ticket. After all everything they have is the result of an ongoing criminal enterprise.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

That would take deeper research. Not sure on that one. However I do know from a previous thread that Texas has raised about 800 Million Dollars from the State Legislature to attempt to protect the border. In that issue, from a previous thread, 1200 illegals a day into Texas. 25% are children, 25% have criminal records.

I read the comments of Rick Perry which basically stated he was so disgusted with the detainment facilities of the children that he felt Texas should act to improve these conditions. Which is why he is currently building tent cities in an attempt to change the conditions of the illegals until deportation via ICE. Texas is paying for this and the NG at this time. They've been raising funds via the state legislature for many years now.

Oh, OK! I was just wondering how the US House was going to Federalize the Texas Army NG (TANG) in the bill to pay for their contribution on the Border from the US Treasury. That explains it then...maybe.

So the funds are not going to come from the Treasury, but the House bill is somehow going to require/force Texas to pay the TANG troops who will be under Federal control. So, in other words, the House is going to Federalize the TANG and the TANG troops will be paid by Texas. But with the House exercising an authority which is the sole prerogative of the President, isn't that obliterating the doctrine of separation of powers? How does the bill get around that obstacle?

Hey, you're the one with all of the knowledge of that bill I'm ignorant of, so I'm asking questions to become better informed. Just sayin'...

I highly doubt on my better informed on the issue. I've just been reading and making observations. On the bill, they included paying the NG on the border now. Which means the bill will use the Treasury to pay them. I believe they are being paid by Texas now and are using part of the DOT budget as well.

Well, one of use must be more curious than the other. I looked the bill up on Thomas...its HR5230. Here is the bit on the NG funds as it appears in the bill verbatim:

National Guard Personnel, Army
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Army', $12,419,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

National Guard Personnel, Air Force
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Air Force', $2,258,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE

Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard', $15,807,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard', $4,516,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

That gift comes to $35 million of US taxpayer largess that the House GOP wanted to give Texas "Grandstand" Perry. That's the same GOP Congress folks who have been propagandizing about reducing expenditures to reduce the deficit.

It was written as a supplemental budget item, not as Federal assistance for a Federalized Guard; that would run afoul of the separation of powers. Only the President can Federalize a States' Guard. One can clearly read from the bill's text, the funds are not intended for an emergency. It's nothing more that another GOP hackneyed political stunt and nose thumbing at the President by the children in charge of the US House of Reps.

After reading that piece of shit bill, there is a lot more I could say, but this editor ate my previous lengthy reply to this post, and my eyes and two fingers need a rest.

 

[eagle1462010]

Oh, OK! I was just wondering how the US House was going to Federalize the Texas Army NG (TANG) in the bill to pay for their contribution on the Border from the US Treasury. That explains it then...maybe.

So the funds are not going to come from the Treasury, but the House bill is somehow going to require/force Texas to pay the TANG troops who will be under Federal control. So, in other words, the House is going to Federalize the TANG and the TANG troops will be paid by Texas. But with the House exercising an authority which is the sole prerogative of the President, isn't that obliterating the doctrine of separation of powers? How does the bill get around that obstacle?

Hey, you're the one with all of the knowledge of that bill I'm ignorant of, so I'm asking questions to become better informed. Just sayin'...

I highly doubt on my better informed on the issue. I've just been reading and making observations. On the bill, they included paying the NG on the border now. Which means the bill will use the Treasury to pay them. I believe they are being paid by Texas now and are using part of the DOT budget as well.

Well, one of use must be more curious than the other. I looked the bill up on Thomas...its HR5230. Here is the bit on the NG funds as it appears in the bill verbatim:

National Guard Personnel, Army
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Army', $12,419,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

National Guard Personnel, Air Force
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Air Force', $2,258,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE

Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard', $15,807,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard', $4,516,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

That gift comes to $35 million of US taxpayer largess that the House GOP wanted to give Texas "Grandstand" Perry. That's the same GOP Congress folks who have been propagandizing about reducing expenditures to reduce the deficit.

It was written as a supplemental budget item, not as Federal assistance for a Federalized Guard; that would run afoul of the separation of powers. Only the President can Federalize a States' Guard. One can clearly read from the bill's text, the funds are not intended for an emergency. It's nothing more that another GOP hackneyed political stunt and nose thumbing at the President by the children in charge of the US House of Reps.

After reading that piece of shit bill, there is a lot more I could say, but this editor ate my previous lengthy reply to this post, and my eyes and two fingers need a rest.

The bill will never get passed in the Senate. But it does send the kids home, and pays for the Guard to help secure the border.

1200 illegals in Texas every day. The border needs to be secured and the increased presence is needed.

The conditions of containment and lack of it is another problem. The so called grand standing Perry is attempting to put up Tent Cities to help deal with the issue.

What is Obama doing about it...............FEMA maybe and calling for the same thing to handle the numbers of detainees...................

No, he's allowing them to be piled into cramped facilities sleeping on concrete.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

I highly doubt on my better informed on the issue. I've just been reading and making observations. On the bill, they included paying the NG on the border now. Which means the bill will use the Treasury to pay them. I believe they are being paid by Texas now and are using part of the DOT budget as well.

Well, one of use must be more curious than the other. I looked the bill up on Thomas...its HR5230. Here is the bit on the NG funds as it appears in the bill verbatim:

National Guard Personnel, Army
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Army', $12,419,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

National Guard Personnel, Air Force
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Air Force', $2,258,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE

Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard', $15,807,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard', $4,516,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

That gift comes to $35 million of US taxpayer largess that the House GOP wanted to give Texas "Grandstand" Perry. That's the same GOP Congress folks who have been propagandizing about reducing expenditures to reduce the deficit.

It was written as a supplemental budget item, not as Federal assistance for a Federalized Guard; that would run afoul of the separation of powers. Only the President can Federalize a States' Guard. One can clearly read from the bill's text, the funds are not intended for an emergency. It's nothing more that another GOP hackneyed political stunt and nose thumbing at the President by the children in charge of the US House of Reps.

After reading that piece of shit bill, there is a lot more I could say, but this editor ate my previous lengthy reply to this post, and my eyes and two fingers need a rest.

The bill will never get passed in the Senate. But it does send the kids home, and pays for the Guard to help secure the border.

1200 illegals in Texas every day. The border needs to be secured and the increased presence is needed.

The conditions of containment and lack of it is another problem. The so called grand standing Perry is attempting to put up Tent Cities to help deal with the issue.

What is Obama doing about it...............FEMA maybe and calling for the same thing to handle the numbers of detainees...................

No, he's allowing them to be piled into cramped facilities sleeping on concrete.

Your correct about that bill never getting onto the floor of the Senate, but then it was never intended to get there, was it? However, the purpose of the funds were never mentioned beyond, "...necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States. In Perry's emergency proclamation, he stated the Army and Air Guards, up to 1000 in number would be used PRIMARILY to assist the Texas Dept. of Public Safety (DPS) with enforcement matters.

Those matters dealing with illegal contraband trafficking (drugs, guns, etc.) by the Mexican gangs and drug cartels, apprehension of criminals crossing the border, et al. This was ostensibly to have the NG relieve the DPS to some extent from those duties so they might focus more attention on the influx of children from Central America by DPS's assistance to the US Border patrol dealing with that relatively new aspect. You can see and hear Perry make his July 21st Proclamation address here:
Office of the Governor Rick Perry - [Video] Gov. Perry Deploys Texas National Guard Troops to Border

This problem goes back well over thirty years, and has continued relatively unabated, discounting the usual peaks and valleys on the curve. Reagan's 1985 solution was nothing but a band aid and not the panacea it was hailed to be at the time. The record speaks to that loudly! It will take people in the legislative branch with calm dispositions and a real desire to find common ground to ever hammer out an immigration bill that works. The political shenanigans of the last two decades will never work toward that end!

 

[TemplarKormac]

"Jake angry! Jake smash!"

Seriously, you aren't Hispanic Jake, so stop acting like you know what it is they want. Using your logic, your perspective is just as incredible as mine. Also, stop acting like a Republican, you aren't one. If it wasn't obvious before, it is now. You're a closet liberal. You are bitter, on the wrong side of middle age, whittling your life away on a computer while talking down to a young whippersnapper like me.

You know that (as I have told you) if you are polite, I will be the same, if you are trying to smash, I will hit you twice as hard. So: be nice, TK. You will always look stupid in a clash with me.

Yes, I am GOP, no, you are not. You are a closet fool.

The Hispanics are voting against the GOP in greater numbers the last few elections, so I would suggest, TK, you listen to them, because they are certainly not going to listen to you

Stop talking down to me Jake. You look like the foolish one simply calling me names and making unsubstantiated assertions. Now, I was a card carrying Republican up until 2 years ago, but I disowned them a long time ago. I stopped paying my dues.

Hispanics will hurt the Democrats for the way they handled the border. Not only because the party failed to pass any legislation, but because their president made demands to have these children sent back home. The Democrats did themselves no favors, whether you like it or not.

As for you, you make no bones about holding liberal Democratic positions here on this board. My advice? Stop lying. Claim your membership in the Democrat party and stop with the charade. Nobody here believes you are what you say you are. And stop tricking yourself into thinking you can "hit twice as hard" you are more like a puff of air compared to my hurricane.

Sit down and be quiet.

 

[MaxGrit]

Poverty & Equity Data | Latin America & Caribbean | The World Bank

Data at the root of the problem.

Central America and the Caribbean data on poverty. Living on less than $4 a day

53.5% in Guatemala live on less than $4 a day. 33% of these on less than $2.5 a day.

Which is why they are flooding the USA.

This is why we shouldn't let them in to this country.

I understand and agree. Immigration is a numbers game and we can't handle the numbers. There are another 220 million who might want to come up here if we send the wrong message.

We have got to secure the border. The problem is down there and not the U.S.

We have got to show them that we aren't going to take in millions of them again and again and again if they simply just show up.

If we go easy on it, we'll see even larger numbers coming.

Until we collapse from within like all other empires of old.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Seal the border off.
If necessary put guns on the border and shoot anyone threatening to trespass.

True.

 

[Peach]

This is why we shouldn't let them in to this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE&list=PL2BC2AC517F5F5026&index=14

I understand and agree. Immigration is a numbers game and we can't handle the numbers. There are another 220 million who might want to come up here if we send the wrong message.

We have got to secure the border. The problem is down there and not the U.S.

We have got to show them that we aren't going to take in millions of them again and again and again if they simply just show up.

If we go easy on it, we'll see even larger numbers coming.

Until we collapse from within like all other empires of old.

Not likely, this influx must be stopped however.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Stop talking down to me Jake. You look like the foolish one simply calling me names and making unsubstantiated assertions. Now, I was a card carrying Republican up until 2 years ago, but I disowned them a long time ago. I stopped paying my dues.

Hispanics will hurt the Democrats for the way they handled the border. Not only because the party failed to pass any legislation, but because their president made demands to have these children sent back home. The Democrats did themselves no favors, whether you like it or not.

As for you, you make no bones about holding liberal Democratic positions here on this board. My advice? Stop lying. Claim your membership in the Democrat party and stop with the charade. Nobody here believes you are what you say you are. And stop tricking yourself into thinking you can "hit twice as hard" you are more like a puff of air compared to my hurricane.

Sit down and be quiet.

I talk down to you when you begin correcting folks about things you know nothing about. You are crying once again because you slapped at me and I took your whining down immediately and am standing on it.

Thank you for admitting you are not a Republican, so by your standards you have nothing to say about Republican policy. Sit down and be quiet.

You are not Hispanic, so by your standards you have nothing to say worthy for anyone’s attention.

If you don’t like being judged and handled in the way you judge others and try to handle others, then change, son. There will be no other way for you, period.

My advice to you is to grow up, get counseling, quit lying about yourself and the world, get a job, and feel good about yourself again. Only you can change yourself.
The Hispanics will not hurt the Dems in any way shape or fashion. Count how the Hispanics vote this fall and then come back and apologize. You have done it before, and you can do it again.

 

[Unkotare]

House passes immigration bill, obama declares "They just won't pass a bill! What can I do? Gotta do it myself, the Constitution be damned."


-of course



How long until even the last obama-zombie wakes up to this tired old "don't do EXACTLY what obama wants" = "do nothing congress" bit? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

 

[Unkotare]

Until we collapse from within like all other empires of old.

We're not an empire.

 

[jon_berzerk]

House passes tough immigration bills that President Obama calls 'extreme and unworkable' | NOLA.com

This will bring out a lot of the far right base this fall.

How much it will bring out counter voters is unknown?

Boehner is throwing the dice on the election.

I think he has to.

This will definitely rally Hispanic voters, who are sick and tired of GOP bigotry.

Tell Rubio that. You expose yourself as the true racist.

indeed

 

[deltex1]

House passes tough immigration bills that President Obama calls 'extreme and unworkable' | NOLA.com

This will bring out a lot of the far right base this fall.

How much it will bring out counter voters is unknown?

Boehner is throwing the dice on the election.

I think he has to.

My response to the OP is that I don't give a shit what "he thinks".

 

[jon_berzerk]

House passes immigration bill, obama declares "They just won't pass a bill! What can I do? Gotta do it myself, the Constitution be damned."


-of course



How long until even the last obama-zombie wakes up to this tired old "don't do EXACTLY what obama wants" = "do nothing congress" bit? It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

How long until even the last obama-zombie wakes up

not likely

 

[JakeStarkey]

This will definitely rally Hispanic voters, who are sick and tired of GOP bigotry.

Tell Rubio that. You expose yourself as the true racist.

indeed

Folks telling racists they are racists is not racism.

Racists whining about being called racists have no support among the knowledgeable and moral voters.

 

[RandallFlagg]

I highly doubt on my better informed on the issue. I've just been reading and making observations. On the bill, they included paying the NG on the border now. Which means the bill will use the Treasury to pay them. I believe they are being paid by Texas now and are using part of the DOT budget as well.

Well, one of use must be more curious than the other. I looked the bill up on Thomas...its HR5230. Here is the bit on the NG funds as it appears in the bill verbatim:

National Guard Personnel, Army
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Army', $12,419,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

National Guard Personnel, Air Force
For an additional amount for `National Guard Personnel, Air Force', $2,258,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE

Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Army National Guard', $15,807,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard
For an additional amount for `Operation and Maintenance, Air National Guard', $4,516,000, to remain available until September 30, 2015, for necessary expenses related to the Southwest Border of the United States.

That gift comes to $35 million of US taxpayer largess that the House GOP wanted to give Texas "Grandstand" Perry. That's the same GOP Congress folks who have been propagandizing about reducing expenditures to reduce the deficit.

It was written as a supplemental budget item, not as Federal assistance for a Federalized Guard; that would run afoul of the separation of powers. Only the President can Federalize a States' Guard. One can clearly read from the bill's text, the funds are not intended for an emergency. It's nothing more that another GOP hackneyed political stunt and nose thumbing at the President by the children in charge of the US House of Reps.

After reading that piece of shit bill, there is a lot more I could say, but this editor ate my previous lengthy reply to this post, and my eyes and two fingers need a rest.

The bill will never get passed in the Senate. But it does send the kids home, and pays for the Guard to help secure the border.

1200 illegals in Texas every day. The border needs to be secured and the increased presence is needed.

The conditions of containment and lack of it is another problem. The so called grand standing Perry is attempting to put up Tent Cities to help deal with the issue.

What is Obama doing about it...............FEMA maybe and calling for the same thing to handle the numbers of detainees...................

No, he's allowing them to be piled into cramped facilities sleeping on concrete.

Again, The Democrats shut down anything happening in Congress. Harry (Howdy Doody) Reid. They then turn around and call the House "do nothing" and the American people fall for the bullshit.

I like what Perry is doing. Put the Guard on the border - deputize them as Texas Rangers and give them arrest powers.

Bottom line? Until that funnel is closed down there, we are wasting our time - time that we don't have. If you have to put 300 garrisons down there to stop this BS - do it. Make it so damned hard to get across that they finally give up - as it becomes too expensive.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Both parties, RF, refused to work with the other, not just one.

I agree with Perry on putting the NG on the boarder as deputy Rangers.