Honest question for the 911 conspiracy buffs.

[TakeAStepBack]

And I said, because the idea, theoretically, is to pursue endless war. In 2001, we were already under the law, trying "terrorists" for the bombings on embassies abroad. The trial in Feb of that year, took this from rag tag one timers, to an individual that testified that the attacks were carried out by a far reaching network of operatives (known as Al-Qaeda, led by Bin Laden)..then 9/11. Which turned it into a "war on terror". And we've been attacking country after country since. That agenda had to have the consent of the majority of the american public.

Again, in theory.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

And this goes back to the scientific/engineering anomalies involved. Weapons testing. Who knows, maybe already tested elsewhere.

It's all rather irrelevant at this point who did it and why. Or even HOW it happened. We're 11 years later and the agenda rolls on for a New American Century. We've broadened that plan a bunch since. Looking now at curtailing any Chinese hegemony in the south asian area, in concert with Australia.

 

[eots]

how did the fictional explosives enter into the buildings, twat? Maybe, your hallucinations are a result of pms?

perhaps the same way explosives entered the first time ...twat

The rubble from the towers would've had MILES of det cord running through it. They would've never been able to hide it. And as usual Eots reds me for a simple question. Fucking idiot.

You know nothing about Detcord so why do you pretend ? you would not recognize Detcord from the miles of other wires and cables that would of run through the towers if it jumped up and bite your ass and furthermore I never said anything about using detcord...you make no sense and are simply repeating nonsensical claims from popular mechanics

 

[eots]

So, you say that a reason for doing it might be to test new technology?

Why not do it in the country of one of our enemies?

No. Not a reason for doing it, a reason for all the scientific/engineering related anomaly.

Good question. As a theory, I would say that doing it anywhere but on US soil would not rally the people around endless war.

I meant testing new technology on our enemies.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqEcLlp_Big]Network -- Corporate Cosmology - YouTube[/ame]


what enemies ?

 

[Obamerican]

perhaps the same way explosives entered the first time ...twat

The rubble from the towers would've had MILES of det cord running through it. They would've never been able to hide it. And as usual Eots reds me for a simple question. Fucking idiot.

You know nothing about Detcord so why do you pretend ? you would not recognize Detcord from the miles of other wires and cables that would of run through the towers if it jumped up and bite your ass and furthermore I never said anything about using detcord...you make no sense and are simply repeating nonsensical claims from popular mechanics

Oh yeah, Einstein. The entire building was rigged with radio controlled detonators. Yet no bombs went off when the fires continued to burn. You come up with these unbelievable stories and have nothing to back them up. You idiots always talk about how it looked like a CD yet you don't watch the videos of CD's and see the det cord in the rubble after the demolition? Jesus Christ you people are stupid. I notice you avoid 7Forever's threads. You're stupid but consider 7Forever too be too stupid? Asshole.

 

[eots]

The rubble from the towers would've had MILES of det cord running through it. They would've never been able to hide it. And as usual Eots reds me for a simple question. Fucking idiot.

You know nothing about Detcord so why do you pretend ? you would not recognize Detcord from the miles of other wires and cables that would of run through the towers if it jumped up and bite your ass and furthermore I never said anything about using detcord...you make no sense and are simply repeating nonsensical claims from popular mechanics

Oh yeah, Einstein. The entire building was rigged with radio controlled detonators. Yet no bombs went off when the fires continued to burn. You come up with these unbelievable stories and have nothing to back them up. You idiots always talk about how it looked like a CD yet you don't watch the videos of CD's and see the det cord in the rubble after the demolition? Jesus Christ you people are stupid. I notice you avoid 7Forever's threads. You're stupid but consider 7Forever too be too stupid? Asshole.

are you claiming you can show a video of an imploded building and identify the det cord ?? is that what you are claiming ??

 

[westwall]

You know nothing about Detcord so why do you pretend ? you would not recognize Detcord from the miles of other wires and cables that would of run through the towers if it jumped up and bite your ass and furthermore I never said anything about using detcord...you make no sense and are simply repeating nonsensical claims from popular mechanics

Oh yeah, Einstein. The entire building was rigged with radio controlled detonators. Yet no bombs went off when the fires continued to burn. You come up with these unbelievable stories and have nothing to back them up. You idiots always talk about how it looked like a CD yet you don't watch the videos of CD's and see the det cord in the rubble after the demolition? Jesus Christ you people are stupid. I notice you avoid 7Forever's threads. You're stupid but consider 7Forever too be too stupid? Asshole.

are you claiming you can show a video of an imploded building and identify the det cord ?? is that what you are claiming ??

Det cord is used to time explosions to do a specific job. And yes, I have extensive knowledge of det cord having used it for cast shots in the mining industry. The truther movement fails the first test which is the KISS test.

 

[eots]

Oh yeah, Einstein. The entire building was rigged with radio controlled detonators. Yet no bombs went off when the fires continued to burn. You come up with these unbelievable stories and have nothing to back them up. You idiots always talk about how it looked like a CD yet you don't watch the videos of CD's and see the det cord in the rubble after the demolition? Jesus Christ you people are stupid. I notice you avoid 7Forever's threads. You're stupid but consider 7Forever too be too stupid? Asshole.

are you claiming you can show a video of an imploded building and identify the det cord ?? is that what you are claiming ??

Det cord is used to time explosions to do a specific job. And yes, I have extensive knowledge of det cord having used it for cast shots in the mining industry. The truther movement fails the first test which is the KISS test.

and what ??....you said nothing...other than making some vague claim of some kind of expertise..are you claiming miles of visible Detcord would be seen after the demolition of a skyscraper ? are you claiming Detcord is even required ?

 

[westwall]

are you claiming you can show a video of an imploded building and identify the det cord ?? is that what you are claiming ??

Det cord is used to time explosions to do a specific job. And yes, I have extensive knowledge of det cord having used it for cast shots in the mining industry. The truther movement fails the first test which is the KISS test.

and what ??....you said nothing...other than making some vague claim of some kind of expertise..are you claiming miles of visible Detcord would be seen after the demolition of a skyscraper ? are you claiming Detcord is even required ?

No silly person, det cord would have been visible to ANYONE looking anywhere in the building, or conversely the det cord was built into the building which I find dubious.
You could radio control the various explosives that would have had to be detonated to bring it down but that is way more difficult.

Now as for the reason to bring them down....frankly I can't think of one. There are far easier methods of getting the US into a war like we're in. And they don't require you to go through the histrionics that you folks engage in to further your little "theory".

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Both of your arguments are irrelevant. You're placing judgement value on specific information that can not be verified. Circumstance, in this case, will not do. So, in order to determine what we know, we must look closely at the science and engineering involved.

I will say this. Steven E. Jones, is an operative for COINTELPRO.

 

[freedombecki]

Both of your arguments are irrelevant. You're placing judgement value on specific information that can not be verified. Circumstance, in this case, will not do. So, in order to determine what we know, we must look closely at the science and engineering involved.

I will say this. Steven E. Jones, is an operative for COINTELPRO.

FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive,"[5] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the civil rights movement, including Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left", including Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen; almost all groups protesting the Vietnam War, as well as individual student demonstrators with no group affiliation; the National Lawyers Guild; organizations and individuals associated with the women's rights movement; nationalist groups such as those seeking independence for Puerto Rico, United Ireland, and Cuban exile movements including Orlando Bosch's Cuban Power and the Cuban Nationalist Movement; and additional notable Americans, such as Albert Einstein (who was a member of several civil rights groups).[6] The remaining 15% of COINTELPRO resources were expended to marginalize and subvert "white hate groups," including the Ku Klux Klan and the National States' Rights Party.[7]

wikipedia

In that case, you could be barking up the wrong tree. On 9/11 they went after attacking America's financial sector on conservatives' presidential watch, followed up 8 years later by electing a radically socialist President with early allegiance to Islamic radical interests.

I don't buy either case. I think 9/11 occurred by proxy war of covert Middle East governments orchestrated in the poorest country in the region--Afghanistan, whom the big boys of Middle Eastern Oil had no interest in, from whose base they could do their dirty work.

Our intelligence did a good job imho of figuring out the puzzle. Were it internal, that would have come out like Timothy McVeigh did in the Oklahoma City Bombing.

 

[westwall]

Both of your arguments are irrelevant. You're placing judgement value on specific information that can not be verified. Circumstance, in this case, will not do. So, in order to determine what we know, we must look closely at the science and engineering involved.

I will say this. Steven E. Jones, is an operative for COINTELPRO.

Agreed. They don't support the truthers either.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Wikipedia?

 

[Rozman]

But isn't crashing jets into the towers enough to cause a "Pearl Harbor" incident? Bringing the towers down takes it to a whole new level that gets very complicated and increases the odds of being discovered.

To pull this off a lot of people would have been involved.
At some point some one would have a guilty conscience.
There has not been one rumor of some one fitting that bill.
Not one hint of a rumor that someone wanting to come forward.

No conspiracy is that tight.
What happened that day is what happened.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

But isn't crashing jets into the towers enough to cause a "Pearl Harbor" incident? Bringing the towers down takes it to a whole new level that gets very complicated and increases the odds of being discovered.

To pull this off a lot of people would have been involved.
At some point some one would have a guilty conscience.
There has not been one rumor of some one fitting that bill.
Not one hint of a rumor that someone wanting to come forward.

No conspiracy is that tight.
What happened that day is what happened.

That depends on what you believe occurred. Ever heard of compartmentalization or "need to know"?
Our intelligence and military have. They are also damn good at it. it's like believing that we are made aware of all the covert ops that happen around the globe. It takes 40-50 years for information to become declassified (as long as it is also irrelevant) before we find these types of things out. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened that day. We've got more mucked up theories on this than any other "conspiracy theory" Ive been exposed too.

It's a hamper of mis/disinformation.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

But isn't crashing jets into the towers enough to cause a "Pearl Harbor" incident? Bringing the towers down takes it to a whole new level that gets very complicated and increases the odds of being discovered.

To pull this off a lot of people would have been involved.
At some point some one would have a guilty conscience.
There has not been one rumor of some one fitting that bill.
Not one hint of a rumor that someone wanting to come forward.

No conspiracy is that tight.
What happened that day is what happened.

That depends on what you believe occurred. Ever heard of compartmentalization or "need to know"?
Our intelligence and military have. They are also damn good at it. it's like believing that we are made aware of all the covert ops that happen around the globe. It takes 40-50 years for information to become declassified (as long as it is also irrelevant) before we find these types of things out. I don't think we'll ever know what really happened that day. We've got more mucked up theories on this than any other "conspiracy theory" Ive been exposed too.

It's a hamper of mis/disinformation.

obviously he is clueless about that and that the CIA has made a living for years keeping secrets from the population of the world such as the indonisian war by the CIA in the early 50's that involved THOUSANDS yet that was kept a secret from most americans for over 40 years. yeah all we know is that the official version,the conspiracy theory of the governments, is not true.

 

[PredFan]

Let me ask a follow-up question. It seems to be general consensus that the reason behind it was to go to war.

Ok, that begs the question; who ordered it? I don't expect anyone to name a name here, just give me a company or industry even.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

The neoconservative agenda for a New American Century. War is profitable. Haliburton made a lot of money off the entire affair. Among others.

I don't see the relevance in your questions.

Let me ask. What difference does any of this make?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The neoconservative agenda for a New American Century. War is profitable. Haliburton made a lot of money off the entire affair. Among others.

I don't see the relevance in your questions.

Let me ask. What difference does any of this make?

that was why they killed kenendy cause he was going to pull out of the vietnam war.he had plans for a complete withdrawal by 1965.two days after his assassination,Lyndon Johnson signed memo# 273 which reversed his policy and esculated the war.

The CIA knew he would give them the war they wanted.Brown and Root a military contracter at that time,profited in the millions.Cheney and Bush profited immensly from the war as well.
His questions are reasonable,he is just seeking the truth so I have no problem with his questions since they have all been reasonable.Its just when they start asking the SAME questions over and over that have been answered many times like so many Bush dupes do and then they start ignoring facts and evidence,then I have a problem with them.His questions have been reasonable though and he hasnt repeated the same thing over and over again so thats cool.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

IF the Kennedy assassination was from the inside. I would be more inclined to believe it was because he spoke truth to power and was printing interest free money. It could have been a number f things.

The New American Century plan wasn't yet around during Kennedy, though. There was, however, a strong urge to interfere with Iran and the middle east covertly.