Homosexuals should not be accepted into U.S. military forces.

[High_Gravity]

Do we not separate the Women and men because of sex? Doesn't matter that they may not do anything.

Your correct, the issue with the barracks is something thats unlike every other civilian job. In the civilian world you can work with a gay co-worker everyday but at the end of the day you each go your own way, but in the Military you actually DO live with your co-workers especially during deployment. But if we are going to have separate barracks for gay and
str8 soldiers won't that be kind of expensive to build these extra barracks? should we just give everyone their own apartment than?

Like I said, this will require special treatment and I do not have the answers. But at least you understand what I am saying.

I was in the Military and I understand who you bunk with makes a difference on how difficult your deployment can be, I can tell you right now a huge complaint is about room mates with poor hygiene and manners, one of my friends shared a room with a guy who had horrible hygiene, when he took off his boots it smelled like death and people ran for cover. The scumbag also masturbated in the bathroom and left his sperm on the floor, and this guy was str8 and married. My friend got the First Sergeant to get a transfer to the room with me to avoid that guy, I would rather share a room with a gay person than a clown like that with poor hygiene.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Hey Stupid Fucking Coward Ollie...........didn't you state that you'd never served after DADT was put in place?

I kinda think that makes you less informed than someone who was active duty during that time.

FWIW, the UCMJ covers this already via various articles. If you get caught "frigging in the rigging" (i.e. having sex onboard the ship) you are disciplined.

Question..........does that 1 gay coward that you know have unrestrained sexual urges and wants to **** everything in sight that is the same gender?

You should really think before posting your bigoted bullshit.

You know we were having an adult conversation about this, until you opened your pie hole. Now run along child.

Hey Stupid Fucking Coward Ollie.........people keep bringing up valid points and the only thing you can offer is "I don't know".

You've said it many times before.

Like I said, does that 1 gay coward that you know want to **** everything in sight? Is that what you base your bigoted bullshit views on, what you see them do?

Does the only gay coward that you know want to **** everything in sight that is the same gender? Do you fear that somehow your butt is on the line everytime they are in the room with you?

If not, then why do you press those perceptions on others?

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Your correct, the issue with the barracks is something thats unlike every other civilian job. In the civilian world you can work with a gay co-worker everyday but at the end of the day you each go your own way, but in the Military you actually DO live with your co-workers especially during deployment. But if we are going to have separate barracks for gay and
str8 soldiers won't that be kind of expensive to build these extra barracks? should we just give everyone their own apartment than?

Like I said, this will require special treatment and I do not have the answers. But at least you understand what I am saying.

I was in the Military and I understand who you bunk with makes a difference on how difficult your deployment can be, I can tell you right now a huge complaint is about room mates with poor hygiene and manners, one of my friends shared a room with a guy who had horrible hygiene, when he took off his boots it smelled like death and people ran for cover. The scumbag also masturbated in the bathroom and left his sperm on the floor, and this guy was str8 and married. My friend got the First Sergeant to get a transfer to the room with me to avoid that guy, I would rather share a room with a gay person than a clown like that with poor hygiene.

Aint you was military my dude, what branch? And thank you.

 

[High_Gravity]

Like I said, this will require special treatment and I do not have the answers. But at least you understand what I am saying.

I was in the Military and I understand who you bunk with makes a difference on how difficult your deployment can be, I can tell you right now a huge complaint is about room mates with poor hygiene and manners, one of my friends shared a room with a guy who had horrible hygiene, when he took off his boots it smelled like death and people ran for cover. The scumbag also masturbated in the bathroom and left his sperm on the floor, and this guy was str8 and married. My friend got the First Sergeant to get a transfer to the room with me to avoid that guy, I would rather share a room with a gay person than a clown like that with poor hygiene.

Aint you was military my dude, what branch? And thank you.

I was in the Air Force for 7 years.

 

[Ozmar]

Haha, yeah right.

 

[Nosmo King]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Did the military 'force' a south Alabama cracker to bunk with an uppity Harlem ****** right after military was integrated? I would imagine that there were some issues then that would demand attention.

But, so long as each soldier comported himself as a military professional according to his training, stayed within the constructs of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, things have a way of working out.

 

[High_Gravity]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Did the military 'force' a south Alabama cracker to bunk with an uppity Harlem ****** right after military was integrated? I would imagine that there were some issues then that would demand attention.

But, so long as each soldier comported himself as a military professional according to his training, stayed within the constructs of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, things have a way of working out.

When they started integrating the Military alot of whites did refuse to bunk with black soldiers, it took a while to sort all this out. Thats not the same issue now because unless someone tells you that they are gay how do you know? thats clearly not the same issue as race.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Did the military 'force' a south Alabama cracker to bunk with an uppity Harlem ****** right after military was integrated? I would imagine that there were some issues then that would demand attention.

But, so long as each soldier comported himself as a military professional according to his training, stayed within the constructs of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, things have a way of working out.

I don't see the comparisons of the black and white integration with a sexual orientation. Two totally different subjects. I would never have had a problem with the racial integration.

 

[Nosmo King]

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Did the military 'force' a south Alabama cracker to bunk with an uppity Harlem ****** right after military was integrated? I would imagine that there were some issues then that would demand attention.

But, so long as each soldier comported himself as a military professional according to his training, stayed within the constructs of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, things have a way of working out.

I don't see the comparisons of the black and white integration with a sexual orientation. Two totally different subjects. I would never have had a problem with the racial integration.

There's a cultural comparison. Just as many white or black soldiers did not welcome the opportunity to bunk with his racial counterpart, many culturally stunted straights and fearful gays will resent an imposed living arrangement. It's a matter of letting the military make the necessary accommodations and regulations.

If promiscuity is the issue, deal with it through channels like any other breech of the rules. The culturally suspicious will weed themselves out as time goes by.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Stupid Fucker Called Ollie never even served after the implementation of DADT. He retired around the same time it passed.

No wonder he's got such dinosaur views.

 

[Ropey]

I have been in the Canadian military, and the Israel Defense forces. Canada allowed homosexuals to enter the armed forces in 1992. The Canadian Forces have now issued a new policy detailing how the organization should accommodate transsexual and transvestite troops specifically. Soldiers, sailors and air force personnel who change their sex or sexual identity have a right to privacy and respect around that decision, but must conform to the dress code of their “target” gender, says the supplementary chapter of a military administration manual.

I saw no issues in either country and both countries have very strong forces, regardless of the sexual orientation.

Rules set for transsexuals in military

Openly gay soldiers serve without hindrance in all branches of the military. Discrimination against gay and lesbian soldiers in recruitment, placement and promotion is prohibited in Israel.

Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender (LGBT) rights in Israel are considered the most developed in the Middle East.

In November 2005, a groundbreaking court decision in Israel ruled that a lesbian spouse could officially adopt a child born to her current partner by artificial insemination from an anonymous sperm donor; this ruling came despite protests by the Orthodox Jewish parliamentary parties (which are a minority and marginalized by Democracy). Common law marriage has already been similarly achieved (which grants most of the official marriage rights to the spouse), but full official same-sex marriage has not yet been sanctioned. However, same-sex marriages performed elsewhere are recognized.

Israel was the first country in Asia where homosexuals were protected by anti-discrimination laws, and remains the only country in the Middle East to provide such legal protection.

Out Magazine has named Tel Aviv "the gay capital of the Middle East."

Out (magazine) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[rdean]

Right wingers are so consistent.

 

[daveman]

Right wingers are so consistent.

Really? What makes you say that...SFC Ollie's opposition to the repeal of DADT, or my support of it?

I'll give you a few moments to think that over. Let me know if you need a hand.

 

[Sunni Man]

Canada allowed homosexuals to enter the armed forces in 1992. The Canadian Forces have now issued a new policy detailing how the organization should accommodate transsexual and transvestite troops specifically. Soldiers, sailors and air force personnel who change their sex or sexual identity have a right to privacy and respect around that decision, but must conform to the dress code of their “target” gender, says the supplementary chapter of a military administration manual.

That is exactly the kind of perverted nonsense that the repeal of DADT would lead to.

 

[Ropey]

Canada allowed homosexuals to enter the armed forces in 1992. The Canadian Forces have now issued a new policy detailing how the organization should accommodate transsexual and transvestite troops specifically. Soldiers, sailors and air force personnel who change their sex or sexual identity have a right to privacy and respect around that decision, but must conform to the dress code of their “target” gender, says the supplementary chapter of a military administration manual.

That is exactly the kind of perverted nonsense that the repeal of DADT would lead to.

I understand your view Sunni Man.

There's not much for them to do in Islam is there?

There are five references in the Qur'an which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with effeminate men and "masculine women." The two main references to homosexual behavior are:

The Hadith and homosexuality: The Hadith are collections of sayings attributed to Muhammad. Many Hadiths (ahadith) discuss liwat (sexual intercourse between males). Two examples are:

"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."

"Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to." (in reference to the active and passive partners in gay sexual intercourse)

Clicky

Your point of view is clear Sunni Man.

 

[daveman]

Canada allowed homosexuals to enter the armed forces in 1992. The Canadian Forces have now issued a new policy detailing how the organization should accommodate transsexual and transvestite troops specifically. Soldiers, sailors and air force personnel who change their sex or sexual identity have a right to privacy and respect around that decision, but must conform to the dress code of their “target” gender, says the supplementary chapter of a military administration manual.

That is exactly the kind of perverted nonsense that the repeal of DADT would lead to.

How would radical Islam deal with a transgender woman...cut off her man-made clitoris, or just kill her?

 

[Sunni Man]

Let's just say that we would effect a permanent "cure" for their vile affection.

 

[Ropey]

@ Sunni Man

Neg repping me and calling me a "****** Lover" for my view, shows your intent even more than your post. I could care less.

We would effect a permanent "cure" for their vile affection.

 

[Gadawg73]

Right wingers are so consistent.

Really? What makes you say that...SFC Ollie's opposition to the repeal of DADT, or my support of it?

I'll give you a few moments to think that over. Let me know if you need a hand.

Dave, I believe he means a far right winger. In my book you are a strong fiscal conservative and believe in individual rights without religion dictating those rights.
Don't mean to label you completely but there is a difference in my world.

 

[daveman]

Let's just say that we would effect a permanent "cure" for their vile affection.

Yeah, you 7th Century fascists sure do like that solution, don't you?