Homosexuals should not be accepted into U.S. military forces.

[SFC Ollie]

And even IF that is true, that still doesn't make your point correct. So I can't help but wonder why you would point me to it and its potential invalidity when I asked you basic questions about how you think living arrangements and bathrooms would need to change? I also noticed that you conveniently overlooked this question of mine: Do you feel gays should or should not be given the same rights and privileges as straight people?

Should your son receive the same job benefits as anyone else? Legal benefits? Rights and privileges? You have yet to actually address these questions.


So you're saying a policy which was disliked by many actually turned out to be beneficial?! Why does the start of that scenario sound so familiar?

Yep I admitted that we were wrong about DADT when it was being put in place. And I have also said that I could be wrong now. I've even said I hope I'm wrong.

Same rights and privileges, Not when it comes to the military. Sorry but I just don't see it happening without special accommodations and treatment. And I'm not so sure that is fair. It certainly would not be fair to tell a straight person that they have to share quarters with a gay person. Is this not the same thing as telling a woman she has to share quarters with a man?
I know that eventually it will happen, but there will be problems and it will require special treatment and changes that I do not have the answers to.

Hey Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, ever heard of the UCMJ? It has sexual harassment covered.

Like I stated before, most guys that I knew in the Navy wore a towel into the shower and put it on before they got out. Nobody wanted to see your junk, and there was peer pressure to help enforce it.

Separate barracks? What the **** are you, born stupid and retarded?

**** dude.....that's no way to go through life.

Who the **** was talking to your ass? Don't you have some filing to do or something?

BTW, I didn't say separate barracks. But then I don't expect you to quote me right anyway.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yep I admitted that we were wrong about DADT when it was being put in place. And I have also said that I could be wrong now. I've even said I hope I'm wrong.

Same rights and privileges, Not when it comes to the military. Sorry but I just don't see it happening without special accommodations and treatment. And I'm not so sure that is fair. It certainly would not be fair to tell a straight person that they have to share quarters with a gay person. Is this not the same thing as telling a woman she has to share quarters with a man?
I know that eventually it will happen, but there will be problems and it will require special treatment and changes that I do not have the answers to.

Hey Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, ever heard of the UCMJ? It has sexual harassment covered.

Like I stated before, most guys that I knew in the Navy wore a towel into the shower and put it on before they got out. Nobody wanted to see your junk, and there was peer pressure to help enforce it.

Separate barracks? What the **** are you, born stupid and retarded?

**** dude.....that's no way to go through life.

Who the **** was talking to your ass? Don't you have some filing to do or something?

BTW, I didn't say separate barracks. But then I don't expect you to quote me right anyway.

Hey Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, wanna explain why you said this?

"It certainly would not be fair to tell a straight person that they have to share quarters with a gay person. Is this not the same thing as telling a woman she has to share quarters with a man?"

I bolded where I pulled that quote out of your posts............Sounds like separate barracks to me idiot.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Have to take some people by the hand.

First off fuckbreath That's Sergeant First Class to you.

Now a Barracks is a building. Inside that building there are numerous rooms. The majority of those rooms are meant to house 2 soldiers. Those two soldiers share the same quarters.

See how simple that is?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Have to take some people by the hand.

First off fuckbreath That's Sergeant First Class to you.

Now a Barracks is a building. Inside that building there are numerous rooms. The majority of those rooms are meant to house 2 soldiers. Those two soldiers share the same quarters.

See how simple that is?

Actually, to me it's Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, the retarded delivery boy. You'll always be that to me fuckwit.

So, you'd approve of DADT being repealed? Simple solution, right? Let them room with other gays, not a problem.

Still not a valid reason for not allowing gays to serve. BTW, why didn't you respond to the other points about eliminating 1 leverage force from those who serve in sensitive billets?

What about the challenge that I asked you about who do you think has more personal awards, gays or straights. I'll tell you........it's the gays. I noticed this little fact when I was doing worksheets for the crew for the Navy Wide Advancement Exam.

Still doesn't change the fact that you're a retarded little ***** who's probably also a coward too.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Have to take some people by the hand.

First off fuckbreath That's Sergeant First Class to you.

Now a Barracks is a building. Inside that building there are numerous rooms. The majority of those rooms are meant to house 2 soldiers. Those two soldiers share the same quarters.

See how simple that is?

Actually, to me it's Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, the retarded delivery boy. You'll always be that to me fuckwit.

So, you'd approve of DADT being repealed? Simple solution, right? Let them room with other gays, not a problem.

Still not a valid reason for not allowing gays to serve. BTW, why didn't you respond to the other points about eliminating 1 leverage force from those who serve in sensitive billets?

What about the challenge that I asked you about who do you think has more personal awards, gays or straights. I'll tell you........it's the gays. I noticed this little fact when I was doing worksheets for the crew for the Navy Wide Advancement Exam.

Still doesn't change the fact that you're a retarded little ***** who's probably also a coward too.

Thousands of possible Navy wide advancements and you handled them and knew from the paperwork which ones were gay and which ones were straight? You are not worthy of being called an NCO you are a ******* asshole liar. And you can bring you punk ass little self over here and show the world how big a coward I am little boy, any time. I'm done talking to you, but not about you.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Have to take some people by the hand.

First off fuckbreath That's Sergeant First Class to you.

Now a Barracks is a building. Inside that building there are numerous rooms. The majority of those rooms are meant to house 2 soldiers. Those two soldiers share the same quarters.

See how simple that is?

Actually, to me it's Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, the retarded delivery boy. You'll always be that to me fuckwit.

So, you'd approve of DADT being repealed? Simple solution, right? Let them room with other gays, not a problem.

Still not a valid reason for not allowing gays to serve. BTW, why didn't you respond to the other points about eliminating 1 leverage force from those who serve in sensitive billets?

What about the challenge that I asked you about who do you think has more personal awards, gays or straights. I'll tell you........it's the gays. I noticed this little fact when I was doing worksheets for the crew for the Navy Wide Advancement Exam.

Still doesn't change the fact that you're a retarded little ***** who's probably also a coward too.

Thousands of possible Navy wide advancements and you handled them and knew from the paperwork which ones were gay and which ones were straight? You are not worthy of being called an NCO you are a ******* asshole liar. And you can bring you punk ass little self over here and show the world how big a coward I am little boy, any time. I'm done talking to you, but not about you.

Largest command I've ever been stationed at was probably 250-275 people (yeah......I took muster for the whole command as well).

Most of them were below 70 people, which is why I knew almost everyone in my command. Why? Simple, I saw all of them at least 3 times/week for something or another.

And yeah.........I prepared all their worksheets once a year for the exam.

I understand that you're ignorant of anything outside your own little sphere of influence, but there are others who've had different experiences than yours.

Stupid Fucker Called Ollie, before you decide to call someone a liar, at least do some research before showing everyone how retarded you are.

And, FWIW, yeah.....you are a coward. YOU are the one demanding an apology for a perceived insult. I told you if you really wanted it, come to Amarillo and beat it outta me.

All you've got is neg rep and ***** assed cowardly posts.

**** off retard, go deliver something already.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Same rights and privileges, Not when it comes to the military.

Which means you do NOT believe they should have the same rights, liberties, and privileges. There's no exceptions here. Either each group is equivalent and both deserving of being treated equally, or they're not. When you say "same rights and privileges EXCEPT" then they're not really the same rights and privileges, are they? This is why you are, by definition, a bigot.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening without special accommodations and treatment.

Once again you make vague reference to these "special" accommodations and treatment, and yet you continually fail to point out what such things are. I have asked several times, and you avoid these questions at every single opportunity. Can you not offer SOME specifics that at least justify your opinion even if its complete unfounded speculation?

It certainly would not be fair to tell a straight person that they have to share quarters with a gay person. Is this not the same thing as telling a woman she has to share quarters with a man?

Except, right now gay and straight men in the military are ALREADY SHARING QUARTERS. So why is it you think it would somehow be unfair if sexuality was suddenly known and nothing else changed? Are you afraid of what would happen to someone if they KNOWINGLY shared a room with a gay man? Oh no, they may like it too much and turn gay! Really, what do you see happening here? Have you not shared quarters with your own son before? Or do you banish him away from your presence at night because he is gay?


Either you're fighting for your son to be an accepted equal member of this society with all the benefits that go along with it, or you're propagating the prejudice. Time to choose.

 

[Nosmo King]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Same rights and privileges, Not when it comes to the military.

Which means you do NOT believe they should have the same rights, liberties, and privileges. There's no exceptions here. Either each group is equivalent and both deserving of being treated equally, or they're not. When you say "same rights and privileges EXCEPT" then they're not really the same rights and privileges, are they? This is why you are, by definition, a bigot.

Sorry but I just don't see it happening without special accommodations and treatment.

Once again you make vague reference to these "special" accommodations and treatment, and yet you continually fail to point out what such things are. I have asked several times, and you avoid these questions at every single opportunity. Can you not offer SOME specifics that at least justify your opinion even if its complete unfounded speculation?

It certainly would not be fair to tell a straight person that they have to share quarters with a gay person. Is this not the same thing as telling a woman she has to share quarters with a man?

Except, right now gay and straight men in the military are ALREADY SHARING QUARTERS. So why is it you think it would somehow be unfair if sexuality was suddenly known and nothing else changed? Are you afraid of what would happen to someone if they KNOWINGLY shared a room with a gay man? Oh no, they may like it too much and turn gay! Really, what do you see happening here? Have you not shared quarters with your own son before? Or do you banish him away from your presence at night because he is gay?


Either you're fighting for your son to be an accepted equal member of this society with all the benefits that go along with it, or you're propagating the prejudice. Time to choose.

I have answered you to the best of my ability, I have stated I do not have all the answers and you keep on asking for them. Please review the posts if you want verification. I stand against repeal, Why? Because I do. How can I? Because I did my time in uniform and have the common sense to see for myself. Am I going to answer any more ridicules questions? No, I've said all that I can. Sometimes people simply have to agree that they disagree.

But I will point out that the military already strips you of many of your freedoms. It's a sacrifice you have to give up to serve. So gays don't want to sacrifice . tough shit; don't serve then.

And way back when I told you i didn't have the answers you keep asking for.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/3063967-post141.html

Enjoy.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

 

[(R)IGHTeous 1]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

I can tell you, just cuz 2 of us are in the same room, does not mean we'll start going @ it like rabbits, cmon now....

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

I can tell you, just cuz 2 of us are in the same room, does not mean we'll start going @ it like rabbits, cmon now....

Just because a Man and woman are in the same room doesn't mean anything will happen either, but the military is smart enough not to chance it.

 

[High_Gravity]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

I can tell you, just cuz 2 of us are in the same room, does not mean we'll start going @ it like rabbits, cmon now....

I don't get why people think just because you are gay or bi that you automatically want to **** them.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

I can tell you, just cuz 2 of us are in the same room, does not mean we'll start going @ it like rabbits, cmon now....

I don't get why people think just because you are gay or bi that you automatically want to **** them.

Who said that?

 

[High_Gravity]

I can tell you, just cuz 2 of us are in the same room, does not mean we'll start going @ it like rabbits, cmon now....

I don't get why people think just because you are gay or bi that you automatically want to **** them.

Who said that?

Well when you said gays need separate quarters, isn't that implying that the gay men will make sexual advances on str8 soldiers in the barracks?

 

[SFC Ollie]

I don't get why people think just because you are gay or bi that you automatically want to **** them.

Who said that?

Well when you said gays need separate quarters, isn't that implying that the gay men will make sexual advances on str8 soldiers in the barracks?

Do we not separate the Women and men because of sex? Doesn't matter that they may not do anything.

 

[High_Gravity]

Who said that?

Well when you said gays need separate quarters, isn't that implying that the gay men will make sexual advances on str8 soldiers in the barracks?

Do we not separate the Women and men because of sex? Doesn't matter that they may not do anything.

Your correct, the issue with the barracks is something thats unlike every other civilian job. In the civilian world you can work with a gay co-worker everyday but at the end of the day you each go your own way, but in the Military you actually DO live with your co-workers especially during deployment. But if we are going to have separate barracks for gay and
str8 soldiers won't that be kind of expensive to build these extra barracks? should we just give everyone their own apartment than?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Hey Stupid Fucking Coward Ollie...........didn't you state that you'd never served after DADT was put in place?

I kinda think that makes you less informed than someone who was active duty during that time.

FWIW, the UCMJ covers this already via various articles. If you get caught "frigging in the rigging" (i.e. having sex onboard the ship) you are disciplined.

Question..........does that 1 gay coward that you know have unrestrained sexual urges and wants to **** everything in sight that is the same gender?

You should really think before posting your bigoted bullshit.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Well when you said gays need separate quarters, isn't that implying that the gay men will make sexual advances on str8 soldiers in the barracks?

Do we not separate the Women and men because of sex? Doesn't matter that they may not do anything.

Your correct, the issue with the barracks is something thats unlike every other civilian job. In the civilian world you can work with a gay co-worker everyday but at the end of the day you each go your own way, but in the Military you actually DO live with your co-workers especially during deployment. But if we are going to have separate barracks for gay and
str8 soldiers won't that be kind of expensive to build these extra barracks? should we just give everyone their own apartment than?

Like I said, this will require special treatment and I do not have the answers. But at least you understand what I am saying.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems as if the one objection to gays serving in the military is billeting. There aren't arguments about a homosexual's competence, loyalty and patriotism. So, it's living arrangements and the fear of getting hit on by one of your own gender.

Well, the military has been coed for years now. Women staff officers are not an uncommon site. the military certainly has had sexual indiscretions among enlisted men and officers alike. Raise your hand if you are about to google "Tailhook" to catch my drift.

Deal with promiscuity the same way, be it heterosexual or homosexual. Fair is fair, same/same. Surely the Code of Military Justice has set precedent. Treat sexually unruly teenagers and young adults as you have been doing for years. Otherwise, denial of recruitment or commission of homosexual Americans is a blatantly un-American thing to do.

Yes billeting is a problem. It's probably the biggest problem.

The military cannot force a male and female to bunk in the same room.

So can we force a straight person to bunk with a known Gay person?

Can we bunk 2 gay people in the same room knowing they could be or become sexuall attracted to each other?

Can we bunk a Gay male with a straight female?

None of it is fair. Do we go to private condos?

I don't have the answers. I do know that when it comes (no matter how many people think it is wrong) It will cause problems and it will not be easy.

Hey Stupid Fucking Coward Ollie...........didn't you state that you'd never served after DADT was put in place?

I kinda think that makes you less informed than someone who was active duty during that time.

FWIW, the UCMJ covers this already via various articles. If you get caught "frigging in the rigging" (i.e. having sex onboard the ship) you are disciplined.

Question..........does that 1 gay coward that you know have unrestrained sexual urges and wants to **** everything in sight that is the same gender?

You should really think before posting your bigoted bullshit.

You know we were having an adult conversation about this, until you opened your pie hole. Now run along child.