Holocaust History

Palestinian peace activist Mohammed Dajani saw his academic career brought to a halt after he taught Palestinian students about the Holocaust from a Jewish perspective.

In March 2014, he led a delegation of 30 students to the Nazi concentration and extermination camp in Auschwitz, guided by two Jewish Holocaust survivors, on a trip he said was aimed at teaching “empathy and tolerance.”

Recalling the impact of his educational trip to the Nazi death camp, Dajani tells The Times of Israel: “The views of Palestinian students changed after they visited Auschwitz. They realized they had nothing to fear from opening their eyes to these chapters of tragic human history.


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I have been seeing a lot of article and threads on the Holocaust but have not found one which deals with the History, before, during and after. Therefore I am starting one now.

Any Holocaust denier is welcome to post and discuss here. Discuss, not attack, or troll. Proof that it did not happen, just post it.


It is important to tell History as it happened. Lets go at it.



What has happened since you wrote this OP where you said : "Any Holocaust denier is welcome to post and discuss here."

I don't doubt that the Holocaust happened but there are many things about the standard Holocaust narrative that just don't make sense.

Additionally, it is at least naive not to recognize that much of what we "know" about to WW 2 is
just residual anti German propaganda.

I feel strongly that people can hold different opinions and still discuss them with civility and mutual respect .

Have you changed your mind about discussing the details and contradictions in the Holocaust narrative ?

Thanks,
 
Palestinian peace activist Mohammed Dajani saw his academic career brought to a halt after he taught Palestinian students about the Holocaust from a Jewish perspective.

In March 2014, he led a delegation of 30 students to the Nazi concentration and extermination camp in Auschwitz, guided by two Jewish Holocaust survivors, on a trip he said was aimed at teaching “empathy and tolerance.”

Recalling the impact of his educational trip to the Nazi death camp, Dajani tells The Times of Israel: “The views of Palestinian students changed after they visited Auschwitz. They realized they had nothing to fear from opening their eyes to these chapters of tragic human history.


(full article online)


What did the Palestinians say after their visit, 'ah now I understand why the Jews want to take our land, bc the Germans treated them so badly'? 🤔
 
What did the Palestinians say after their visit, 'ah now I understand why the Jews want to take our land, bc the Germans treated them so badly'? 🤔


I don't doubt that those poor Palestinians got a complete and thorough brainwashing at this grisly theme park that the Soviets altered beyond recognition.

They added a massive, fake chimney, knocked out walls and even punched holes in the ceiling of the morgue to pass it off as a "homicidal gas chamber" since the only "gas chambers" at Auschwitz or other German work camps were for delousing old clothes, blankets etc.

Contrary to Allied propaganda, there were no homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz or any other German work camp (2)

I wonder when someone from the Israeli side will bring some Israeli school children to the more moderate Palestine Museum(3) and learn about the Nakba?

Thanks,






(1). "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721

EXCERPT "Prof. Robert Jan van Pelt, a internationally acknowledged expert on the planning and construction of Auschwitz,

Van Pelt, an architectural historian, said that copies of the plans of the stages of the camp's construction were also in the archive of the Polish National Museum at Auschwitz and in an archive in Moscow.

Van Pelt said he also doubted the authenticity of the signature of the SS chief, Heinrich Himmler, since such a high-ranking officer would not have signed such plans, and none of the copies he had ever seen bore such a signature.

Van Pelt also said the words "gas chamber" on one of the drawings meant a room in which disinfection of clothing was done by means of gas, and that the sketch is not of an extermination camp established in 1942, but rather of earlier plans for a huge concentration camp in which a force of 130,000 slave laborers was intended to work.

Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED



(2). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
Auschwitz: Myths and Facts

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

"The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(3). "Washington's Palestine museum sees increased attendance ahead of Nakba"​


EXCERPT "Ahead of the 75th anniversary of the Nakba, or catastrophe in Arabic, a small museum in Washington dedicated to narrating the history of the Palestinian people is receiving an unprecedented spike in visitors curious about Palestine.

While US politics, and up until recently, American perceptions, have skewed largely in favour of Israel, the museum's staff and founder say the increased attendance is part of a larger shift in attention towards the plight of Palestinians living under Israeli occupation." CONTINUED
 
@EMichaelJones1
The sexual content of the "real" Diary of Anne Frank lends credence to those who claimed that it was written by a middle aged man with sexual obsessions. Read The Holocaust Narrative for details. fidelitypress.org/the-holocaust-…

 
The Holocaust happened. There are pictures of the ovens and mass graves.
 
Massacres at Babi Yar (1941)

On 29–30 September (8–9 Tishrei), 1941, German forces aided by Ukrainian collaborators massacred over 30,000 Jews in the Babi Yar ravine near Kiev, Ukraine.
 
Massacres at Babi Yar (1941)

On 29–30 September (8–9 Tishrei), 1941, German forces aided by Ukrainian collaborators massacred over 30,000 Jews in the Babi Yar ravine near Kiev, Ukraine.


Remember that Katyn, too, was blamed on those evil Germans and it also turned out to be typical Soviet propaganda.

Babi Yar has already been debunked by facts revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC. (1)



What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth”

EXCERPT “THE MEMORY of the "massacre" of Jews at Babi Yar is painful to all politicians. But evidence shows it never happened. Aerial reconnaissance photos taken before and during World War II show mass graves of victims of the Soviet Cheka/NKVD, but an absence of Jewish mass burials.

What if anything, happened at a place called Babi Yar (Old Woman's Ravine) near Kiev, Ukraine - September 29, 1941? According to official histories and inscriptions on monuments, 250,000 people, mostly Jews, were killed by the Nazis there. But if thousands of Kievan Jews (those not evacuated by the Soviets) were killed in September of 1941 by the Germans, they were not murdered or buried at Babi Yar. This fact was revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC.”

A number of additional, overlooked historical facts undermine the credibility of the standard tale propagated about Babi Yar today.

For one thing, the Babi Yar massacre was not mentioned in the Ukrainian Resistance press, although the killing of its members by the Germans in Kiev is described.

Secondly, the occurrence of the Babi Yar massacre is excluded, until the late 1970s, from the writings of Ukrainian emigres (former wartime inhabitants of Kiev) as well as from Ukrainian encyclopedias; some published by Western universities.

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, for decades the Babi Yar massacre did not catch the literary attention of Kiev's Jewish population."

CONTINUED
 
Here comes the neo nazi deniers. Take your garbage back to Stormfront..
 

New multi-disciplinary volume probes Holocaust massacre images taken on Šķēde Beach, where 2,749 Jewish women, men, and children were murdered by German and Latvian firing squads​



(full article online)


 
The magnitude of the Holocaust’s horrors is etched indelibly into history. The German Nazis, aided by Lithuanian collaborators, orchestrated and brutally implemented the murder of over 200,000 Lithuanian Jews. The massive scale and local nature of this systematic murder – with the active participation of numerous local collaborators – was characteristic of the Lithuanian chapter of the Shoah. The annihilation of an entire Jewish civilization in Lithuania is an indelible stain on that nation’s history. However, I firmly believe that memories of Jewish Lita must endure.

Preserving the memories of Lithuanian Jewry

This marks my second visit in less than a year to Lithuania, where I have been encouraged by the government’s growing understanding of Holocaust remembrance issues. While some progress has been made, much work remains to be done.

 The main entrance to the Vilnius Ghetto in Lithuania during World War II. (credit: Wikimedia Commons)
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The main entrance to the Vilnius Ghetto in Lithuania during World War II. (credit: Wikimedia Commons)

Itzhak Rudnicki Arad, also known as Tolka, was a Jewish partisan hero from Lithuania. Many years later, he emerged as an esteemed Holocaust historian, dedicating much of his life to Holocaust research and remembrance. Eventually Tolka became Chairman of Yad Vashem, one of my illustrious predecessors. I am sure that Tolka would have urged me to remind Lithuania’s leaders and citizens that an antisemite, especially one associated with mass murder, cannot be considered “otherwise a good person” or a hero.

LITHUANIA MUST consistently acknowledge its role in the Holocaust, including the involvement of Lithuanians in the extermination of Jews. This acknowledgment is owed not only to the Jewish victims but also to future generations of Lithuanians. Educating young people about this history is central to this mission.

We must show zero tolerance for antisemitism and for the glorification of war criminals. While Lithuania’s Righteous rescuers have been recognized, we must always recall that the country also had vile perpetrators and bystanders. Names like Noreika, Škirpa, and Krikštaponis do not enhance Lithuania’s honor, nor do they align with international norms of appropriate national remembrance. Quite the opposite.

Yad Vashem remains committed to working with Lithuania to promote accurate Holocaust research, documentation, education, and commemoration.


(full article online)

 
Remember that Katyn, too, was blamed on those evil Germans and it also turned out to be typical Soviet propaganda.

Babi Yar has already been debunked by facts revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC. (1)



What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth”

EXCERPT “THE MEMORY of the "massacre" of Jews at Babi Yar is painful to all politicians. But evidence shows it never happened. Aerial reconnaissance photos taken before and during World War II show mass graves of victims of the Soviet Cheka/NKVD, but an absence of Jewish mass burials.

What if anything, happened at a place called Babi Yar (Old Woman's Ravine) near Kiev, Ukraine - September 29, 1941? According to official histories and inscriptions on monuments, 250,000 people, mostly Jews, were killed by the Nazis there. But if thousands of Kievan Jews (those not evacuated by the Soviets) were killed in September of 1941 by the Germans, they were not murdered or buried at Babi Yar. This fact was revealed in aerial reconnaissance photos discovered in the U.S. National Archives in Washington, DC.”

A number of additional, overlooked historical facts undermine the credibility of the standard tale propagated about Babi Yar today.

For one thing, the Babi Yar massacre was not mentioned in the Ukrainian Resistance press, although the killing of its members by the Germans in Kiev is described.

Secondly, the occurrence of the Babi Yar massacre is excluded, until the late 1970s, from the writings of Ukrainian emigres (former wartime inhabitants of Kiev) as well as from Ukrainian encyclopedias; some published by Western universities.

Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, for decades the Babi Yar massacre did not catch the literary attention of Kiev's Jewish population."

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You must be retarded or willfully ignorant, even without the death camps the Einsatzgruppen murdered many thousands,those Ukrainians you talk about were part of the problem they were collaborators some took part in the slaughter, behave yourself.
 
"THE CENSORED HOLOCAUST"

Today's Book Burners don't want anyone to know about the real death camps run by Jewish Communists after WW 2:

The opposite of censorship is saturation and we have, indeed, been saturated with melodramatic Holocaust propaganda for 80 years.
However, don't hold your breath for Stephen Spielberg to crank out a blockbuster movie about the 9 million innocent German civilians who were killed just for being German.


"Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation, 1944 1950 Revised Edition"
Amazon product ASIN 0889225672
EXCERPT "More than 9 million Germans died as a result of deliberate Allied starvation and expulsion policies after World War II—one quarter of the country was annexed, and about 15 million people expelled in the largest act of ethnic cleansing the world has ever known. Over 2 million of these alone, including countless children, died on the road or in concentration camps in Poland and elsewhere. That these deaths occurred at all is still being denied by Western governments." CONTINUED


The real reason that Germany's National Socialists feared that the Communist Jews in Russia would also take over all of Germany and the rest of Europe.
Stalin already had plans to invade Germany on "M - Day" (Mobilization Day; June 1941) and it was German knowledge of these plans that caused Germany to strike first.

"Stalin's Jews"
"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED


For any honest and objective understanding of the Holocaust and the WW 2 era, one must first consider George Orwell's observation:


"Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past." (*)
Thanks,

(*). Forbes Quotes.
 

New multi-disciplinary volume probes Holocaust massacre images taken on Šķēde Beach, where 2,749 Jewish women, men, and children were murdered by German and Latvian firing squads​



(full article online)


They don't look Jewish at all.
 
According to one of the most popular Rabbis in Israel, they weren't 'real Jews' and deserved to die. When good ole Yosef died he was nationally mourned, by Netanyahu as well.




Like most of the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox, they go Nazis one better, in that they not only think they are a 'Master Race', but the only humans period. They make up a huge percentage of Israelis, far larger than those 'neo-nazis' the BI here in the U.S. single-handedly finance and keep in business.

More from good ole Rabbi Yosef:

For instance, in 2010 he said in a weekly Saturday night sermon that the sole purpose God put non-Jews on earth was to be servants to Jews.

"Goyim (gentiles, non-Jews) were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel," he said, according to the Jerusalem Post. "Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created." An "effendi" is a lord, or a master, in Arabic.

Yosef also favored the large number of ultra-Orthodox men who eschew modern education, focus only on Torah study, and are exempted from military service in Israel while largely subsisting on government handouts.


Netanyahu cried over his death:

"Hundreds of thousands of his supporters took the streets of Jerusalem to mourn. Former Israeli President Shimon Peres visited with Mr. Yosef at his hospital bedside just hours before he passed, tenderly kissing his hand and forehead, according to The Jerusalem Post. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in a statement issued by his office, spoke of his "profound grief" and said that "the Jewish People have lost one of the wisest men of his generation.""


This is not an outlier racist, his view of goyim is pretty common even among 'secular' Jews. New York City has entire enclaves of these Master Race types who follow Rabbi Schneerson,


Who was Rabbi Schneerson?


Schneerson lived from 1902 to 1994 and oversaw the growth of what is now the largest Jewish organization in the world. The religious movement he led is known as “Chabad-Lubavitch,” (sometimes just called “Lubavitch” or “Chabad,” the name of its organizational arm). Schneerson was the seventh and final Lubavitcher “Rebbe” (sacred leader). He is often simply called “the Rebbe.”


Founded in the late 1700s and originally based in the Polish-Russian town of Lubavitch, it is the largest of about a dozen forms of “Hasidism,” a version of Orthodox Judaism connected to mysticism, characterized by devotion to a dynastic leader, and whose adherents often wear distinctive clothing. (Spellings of these terms can vary; Hasid is also written as Hassid, Chasid, etc.)


...

Some of Schneerson’s rarely reported teachings:


“The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”


“This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world … The difference in the inner quality between Jews and non-Jews is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”


“An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”


“As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood.”


“…the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created


as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”


“The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”


“The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”


See also this book:

 
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Pictures, smicktures.
I have an oven in my kitchen.


There are probably more fake or altered pictures related to the Holocaust and WW 2 than any other era in history.(1)

Even the grisly post war, work camp films were staged by Hollywood movie moguls working with Allied propagandists to make the Germans seem especially evil.(2)

Piles of dead bodies were supplemented by using corpses of German POWs and civilians. A gullible public eager for proof of German sadism were also treated to fake "human skin lampshades", shrunken heads from far away, fake "human fat soap", fake "human skin pocketbooks" and other
deliberate hoaxes to demonize the German people and extort countless $ Billions.

The fact that the German work camps had crematoria (ovens / muffles) only shows that they were trying to save lives from deadly typhus (3)

Next, the person to whom you were responding mentioned "mass graves" but there are no mass graves at any of the former German work camps that contain anywhere near the number of bodies claimed by the profit hungry Holocaust Industry.

For example, at Treblinka, no mass graves have been found after thorough examinations by two teams of experts found any mass graves (4), (5).

I don't believe that this means that no one was executed at Treblinka but it means that far fewer people died than the 850,000 - 1 million claimed by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry. (6), (7)

After factoring in all the other grossly exaggerated death tolls, the Red Cross' calculation of about
300,000 deaths in all the German work camps seems the most credible.

Thanks,



(1). “Soviet’s Anti-Nazi Propaganda, Fake Pictures during World War”
www.hoaxorfact.com| 502: Bad gateway

EXCERPT “The Soviets and the rest of the allies were in fact faking hundreds of pictures during and after the World war, as a part of psychological warfare against the German people and propagandize their own people.

However, in later years, with the user of computers and the internet, the usage of those hundreds of images were proved to be faked during and after World War Two, which also intended to demonize Hitler and the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).”CONTINUED


(2). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


(3). "In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

Heinrich Himmler


21 April 1945

Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.


(4). “Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust”
Treblinka: Revealing the hidden graves of the Holocaust

EXCERPT “Despite this, in a later statement they said they had discovered no mass graves.” CONTINUED


(5). “Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves”

EXCERPT “A detailed forensic examination of the site of the wartime Treblinka camp, using sophisticated electronic ground radar, has found no evidence of mass graves there.” CONTINUED



(6). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations." CONTINUED



(7). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
 
I know that a lot of holocaust survivors were really offended by Hogan's Heroes, which poked fun at the event back in the 1960's. Many contended that the camps were nothing like the one that was portrayed and that Colonel Klink and Sergeant Schultz were really atypical of those that they met in the German camp system.
those were different camps
 
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