Hold This L: Judge curb-stomps the GOP's pathetic pentagon press ban

[Couchpotato]

This is the definition of arbitrary.

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based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.

Since all administrations before this had a reason And system for issuing press passes and access those decisions aren't definitionally arbitrary.

Are you saying the current administration doesn't have a reason? They are just flipping a coin or something?

Because the NYT has a certain number of subscribers actually reading them, as an example of a non-arbitrary rule.

Why would that matter? What's the number? Why that number? Seems arbitrary.... If they fall below that number then an administration would be justified in kicking them out? If I can get that number of followers on X or Instagram does that qualify? Blac China has 5 million more subscribers than NYT. If she put in for a Press Credential, should she get one?

The limiting principle is

In our view, the procedural requirements of notice of the factual bases for denial, an opportunity for the applicant to respond to these, and a final written statement of the reasons for denial are compelled by the foregoing determination that the interest of a bona fide Washington correspondent in obtaining a White House press pass is protected by the first amendment. This first amendment interest undoubtedly qualifies as liberty which may not be denied without due process of law under the fifth amendment.22 The only further determination which this court must make is "what process is due," Morrissey v. Brewer, 408 U.S. 471, 481, 92 S.Ct. 2593, 33 L.Ed.2d 484 (1972).23 We think that notice to the unsuccessful applicant of the factual bases for denial with an opportunity to rebut is a minimum prerequisite for ensuring that the denial is indeed in furtherance of Presidential protection, rather than based on arbitrary or less than compelling reasons. 569 F.2d 124

In other words, not only need to be clear rules be established. You need to notify the people why they are being denied access. And the rules need to actually be relevant to the functioning of the department that is denying access. We don't like what they write for instance isn't that since that's not a compelling reason to deny access.

I dont understand why anyone thinks any individual or outlet has any right to ever have a "press credential" or that the WH would have to issue any press passes.

The funny thing is that most, if not all of you, blow a gasket when some random Democrat dares to suggest someone saying something offensive should be removed from a site or has no right to speak, claiming it violates the first amendment which it doesn't since BOTH are expressing opinions and neither is the government.

Those are 2 wildly different things though. You not getting a press credential to the WH or Pentagon doesn't abridge your right to speak, act as a reporter, or anything other than sitting in the press room while whoever from the WH is telling you whatever bullshit they happen to be telling the press corps that day.

Yet here we are with you defending a decision BY the government to restrict press access because the government doesn't like what they write.

It doesn't restrict press access. They have access to the same information as every other press outlet or journalist that doesn't get to attend those press briefings. What information do you think the NYT or Fox news reporters at the WH get that everyone else doesn't. And if they are getting additional information that should be the issue not whether they get their little " your special badge" because that would be abridging the 1st amendment rights of all the press outlets/journalists who dont get a credential.

 

[j-mac]

I forgot, you kids are allergic to facts.

Let me know if you actually ever post some…

 

[toobfreak]

Your first story admits it was Politico that made the decision. Big tech colluding with the government is a whole different can of worms, not related to this thread.

Tex, two whistleblowers for the IRS have just confirmed before the senate that while Biden was in office, they had Hunter Biden dead to rights on a number of crimes that lead back to Joe (he was just VP then) and were absolutely blocked from pursuing the matter much less reporting on it and had to fight just to keep their jobs. The only thing protecting Biden now is the statute of limitations, which now that has expired, they are now admitting happened.

Exclusive | IRS whistleblowers tell ‘Pod Force One’ of ‘unprecedented’ corruption swept ‘under rug’ by Hunter Biden pardon

The whistleblowers who have since been promoted to leadership positions in the IRS, said the former first family had undue influence on their investigation into Hunter Biden’s finances.

nypost.com

There's much more to it than I linked to, and you are wrong, any decision to quash negative news on reporting on top government officials by media was coerced under pressure by the government. Just ask Zuckerberg.

Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court

The White House may have violated First Amendment rights by pressuring tech companies to suppress or remove posts, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.

www.usatoday.com

Mark Zuckerberg says Biden officials would 'scream' and 'curse' when seeking removal of Facebook content

The Meta CEO said on a podcast that administration officials had asked the company to remove certain posts, including "things that are true."

www.nbcnews.com

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to 'censor' some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

Zuckerberg alleges that the officials, including those from the White House, "repeatedly pressured" Facebook for months to take down "certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire."

www.pbs.org

There is a tremendous unholy legion of cooperation between government and the media who are supposed to be there as watchdogs, not lapdogs. Only this has all amazingly seemingly fallen apart now with the Trumpster in office. No doubt this and much like it is at the heart of the Pentagon now trying to wrest control of who and how reporters now gain access to sensitive information and the reason behind why now they are trying to control the press.