Hold This L: Judge curb-stomps the GOP's pathetic pentagon press ban

[ThisIsMe]

Yeah, that's a lie.

Ok, and that’s your opinion. All we can do is go with what we have. You think they are trying to cover something up? Ok, you can have that opinion, and I can have the opinion of taking them at their word.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm beginning to think some of these judges - a lot of them, actually - need to be "disappeared" in the middle of the night.
This isn't a g.d. 1st Amendment issue at all.
It's a matter of national security.
And outright lying, as well.

Nah, we don’t need to “disappear” anyone. Just call out their BS and vote for change.

 

[ThisIsMe]

He did nothing of the kind. Your insidious lie implying the media was inappropriately reporting on "troop and war plan information" is made more egregious by the fact that it was Hegseth, during an unsecure Signal chat conversation, that discussed attack plans. From the judge's ruling......................

For example, during the heated controversy over the publication of the Pentagon
Papers, the government fought The Times and The Washington Post in court rather than retaliating by attempting to exclude journalists from those organizations from the Pentagon. Notwithstanding the Department’s strong desire to prevent the Pentagon Papers’ release, the Department did not threaten to revoke the reporters’ credentials, and press briefings continued as normal. See Press Ass’n Br. at 6. Likewise, the Department did not attempt to exclude journalists from the Pentagon following the publication of stories describing the toxicity of Agent Orange used during the Vietnam War, or the reporting on the “Fat Leonard” corruption scandal involving serious threats to national security, or a host of other revelations from the media. See Committee Br. at 13-15. And as counsel for the Pentagon Press Association as amicus curiae recounted at oral argument:

When General Westmoreland was upset that CBS was reporting misinformation about the Vietnam War, he sued. But no reporter lost their credentials. When 60 Minutes published photos of Abu Ghraib, they did a public service. The Pentagon was upset, it was a disclosure of unauthorized information. But no one reached out to yank credentials.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.287334/gov.uscourts.dcd.287334.35.0_1.pdf

The ruling was that the Pentagon can't suspend the press credentials of reporters as a means to intimidate them in to only reporting information approved by the military.

U.S. District Judge Paul Friedman in his ruling acknowledged the importance of protecting American troops and war plans but said it was "more important than ever that the public have access to information from a variety of perspectives about what its government is doing" given President Donald Trump's recent "incursion" into Venezuelaand war with Iran.

I mean, it’s almost a direct quote.

 

[Mac1958]

Absolute clown behavior.

How many times has this middle school shit show had their ass handed to them in court over the last ten years?

One might wear out their abacus calculating that one.

The one great exception, of course, is Judge Cannon, who heroically and single-handedly kept Trump out of jail.

 

[sartre play]

Maybe the reality of whats going on with the information we get, is a lack of HONESTY.
And tons of political spin on Every situation.

 

[j-mac]

Federal judge rules against restrictive Pentagon press policy

The policy sought to bar news outlets from reporting information not officially sanctioned for release by agency heads.

www.usatoday.com

Watching the GOP get legally pantsed again is my favorite genre of comedy. A federal judge just nuked your authoritarian Pentagon press ban because…surprise!…the First Amendment actually exists.

You hypocrites scream about "freedom" non-stop, then try to lock out journalists because your egos are too soft to handle tough questions. Absolute clown behavior.
Hegseth allowed only right wing ass kissing outlets like the Gateway Pundit to pitch the softballs. The real press corps is laughing:

Hegseth tried to legally bully the press, then got relentlessly body-slammed by a judge, the New York Times and others are laughing.
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Another liberal judge trying to grab power and fame…let’s see him enforce it.

 

[j-mac]

How many times has this middle school shit show had their ass handed to them in court over the last ten years?

One might wear out their abacus calculating that one.

The one great exception, of course, is Judge Cannon, who heroically and single-handedly kept Trump out of jail.

I get the feeling you wouldn’t be for this crap if a democrat were being the recipient

 

[Crepitus]

Ok, and that’s your opinion. All we can do is go with what we have. You think they are trying to cover something up? Ok, you can have that opinion, and I can have the opinion of taking them at their word.

Nope, it's a fact.

 

[j-mac]

Nope, it's a fact.

Get bent Dhimmi

 

[Crepitus]

Get bent Dhimmi

I forgot, you kids are allergic to facts.

 

[OKTexas]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Pretty sure the press is mentioned SPECIFICALLY in the first amendment, and the executive branch denying press access to certain outlets is covered.

I'm also pretty sure that redress of grievances bit is done by petitioning the courts.

And if you do a bit of research, you'll find the "freedom of the press" is the government can't pre-censor the press, in other words, tell them what they could or could not print. It has nothing to do with access to govt officials or departments.

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[forkup]

And if you do a bit of research, you'll find the "freedom of the press" is the government can't pre-censor the press, in other words, tell them what they could or could not print. It has nothing to do with access to govt officials or departments.

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Sure it does. When you deny access to certain press outlets to press conferences with arbitrary rules, that you enforce selectively you are abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.

That's what research shows. Do you want the case that established the legal precedent?

 

[IM2]

The policy was to protect national security..


Liberal judge says “nope! Report it all!”

I guess the pentagon can just stop having press briefings

Bullshit. It was one because Hegseth didn't like a picture.

 

[OKTexas]

Sure it does. When you deny access to certain press outlets to press conferences with arbitrary rules, that you enforce selectively you are abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.

That's what research shows. Do you want the case that established the legal precedent?

Well hell, that's an easy fix, just give individual interviews and stop having press conferences. But yeah, I'd like to see the case.

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[forkup]

Well hell, that's an easy fix, just give individual interviews and stop having press conferences. But yeah, I'd like to see the case.

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569 F.2d 124

This precedent, decided almost 50 years ago, is why the judge ruled as he did. And just because you can think of a way to circumvent the spirit of the law, if not the letter, doesn't mean this administration didn't do both, causing the judge to shoot them down.

So what research did you do?

 

[IM2]

And if you do a bit of research, you'll find the "freedom of the press" is the government can't pre-censor the press, in other words, tell them what they could or could not print. It has nothing to do with access to govt officials or departments.

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It applies to the complete freedom of speech. You guys whine because people call the racist/miogynist/ xenophobic/homophobic garbage you spew taking away your first amendment rights but anything this adminitration does to silence dissent, you guys agree with.

 

[Couchpotato]

Federal judge rules against restrictive Pentagon press policy

The policy sought to bar news outlets from reporting information not officially sanctioned for release by agency heads.

www.usatoday.com

Watching the GOP get legally pantsed again is my favorite genre of comedy. A federal judge just nuked your authoritarian Pentagon press ban because…surprise!…the First Amendment actually exists.

You hypocrites scream about "freedom" non-stop, then try to lock out journalists because your egos are too soft to handle tough questions. Absolute clown behavior.
Hegseth allowed only right wing ass kissing outlets like the Gateway Pundit to pitch the softballs. The real press corps is laughing:

Hegseth tried to legally bully the press, then got relentlessly body-slammed by a judge, the New York Times and others are laughing.
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I would just revoke everyone's press credentials and shut down the press office, and then only give them official press releases. Or not give them anything at all and just release things on social media.

I don't see how this is a 1st amendment issue. The Pentagon isn't keeping anyone from reporting anything. They are just requiring those with special access to follow special rules. If you don't want to follow those rules you are free to report whatever you want from off the base. The 1st Amendment protects the press from the Government shutting them down. It doesn't require the Government to provide them access to anything nor does it require them to provide a space in Government offices to work.

 

[Couchpotato]

It applies to the complete freedom of speech. You guys whine because people call the racist/miogynist/ xenophobic/homophobic garbage you spew taking away your first amendment rights but anything this adminitration does to silence dissent, you guys agree with.

They are free to say whatever they want. That doesnt mean they are guaranteed access to the Pentagon or any other government building with restricted access. Should the Press be allowed free reign at the CIA or NSA? What's the limiting principle?

 

[Couchpotato]

569 F.2d 124

This precedent, decided almost 50 years ago, is why the judge ruled as he did. And just because you can think of a way to circumvent the spirit of the law, if not the letter, doesn't mean this administration didn't do both, causing the judge to shoot them down.

So what research did you do?

What law would be circumvented by not doing press conferences?

 

[Couchpotato]

You’re making progress. You dropped the “national security” BS and switched it to “sensitive information” or “damaging info”. You thought about using “classified information.” But you woke

” damaging info”.
Damaging to what ? operations or reputations?

Why do you think the Pentagon or any Government agency for that matter is required to answer any questions asked by the press ever or has an obligation to tell them anything? The Press is free to ask all the questions it wants, and make as many requests for information that it wants. The Government isnt compelled by the 1st Amendment to answer them.