hmm seems my ideas of no-real-skills=no work are coming to bear

[blu]

Future hiring will mainly benefit the high-skilled - Yahoo! News

Whenever companies start hiring freely again, job-seekers with specialized skills and education will have plenty of good opportunities. Others will face a choice: Take a job with low pay — or none at all.

its time to start enrolling in college people! and don't waste time on liberal arts or business BS....

Your idea?

LOL dude it is not your idea it is common sense.

Jesus self diluted much?

no, but I have posted a number of threads on it, that non-dumbasses like Samson has participated in a lot, unlike you who just posts waste of time stuff

 

[Flopper]

True: if you have to PAY someone to socialize you enough to keep your job, then you're probably hopeless.

I'm not talking about social skills. I'm talking about communications skills so you can express your ideas coherently in writing or verbally. These are skills you learn. You aren't born with them. To be able to meet with people in marketing, advertising, accounting, and information technology and communicate with them on their terms is of tremendous value. Knowing how to interact with people of different cultures is very important. Actions and comments made to the good old boy in IT, may be very offensive to the Saudi engineer, or your Japanese customer. These are things you aren't going to learn in your statistics, cost accounting or Thermodynamics class.

You think engineers are "stupid"?

If someone can earn an engineering degree, it's simple for them to learn to talk "civil". The ones that don't, probably don't need to.

No, I don't think engineers are stupid. I am one. What I do think is stupid is for technically trained people to take the attitude that because of their specialized skills, they are smarter than others in the organization. I have seen computer support people chastise secretaries and even managers because they do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used. This often comes from employees not having the exposure to other disciplines.

I believe that employees with just job specific training are often not good members of a team. Management tends to look at these employees as a necessary evil and not team players. So when management considers outsourcing, these are the first people they look at.

 

[Samson]

What I do think is stupid is for technically trained people to take the attitude that because of their specialized skills, they are smarter than others in the organization. I have seen computer support people chastise secretaries and even managers because they do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used. This often comes from employees not having the exposure to other disciplines.

I believe that employees with just job specific training are often not good members of a team. Management tends to look at these employees as a necessary evil and not team players. So when management considers outsourcing, these are the first people they look at.

Well, these are some interesting beliefs.

The most iteresting to me is "people chastise secretaries and even managers because they do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used. This often comes from employees not having the exposure to other disciplines."

What you are saying contradicts the article in the OP, which predicts that "secretaries and even managers" that "do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used" will simply not have jobs, or have menial jobs

Indeed, rather than techs needing more "exposure to other disciplines" it appears that the more successful secretaries and managers of the future will be REQUIRED to have an "in depth understanding of technologies they use."

Of course, we'll need to wait and see what happens; It is infinately easier to find technically trained engineers, and send them to a Dale Carnegie "How to Win Friends and Influance People" 13 week class, than it is to take Biff the Friendly Frat Rat, who graduates with a BA in Marketing, and teach him Statics & Dynamics.

 

[Samson]

Math education is specialized?

Social skills are not taught in college. They may, or may not, be picked up there, but they are not taught there. I will admit liberal arts students are more likely to have social skills, mostly because math tends to attract more serious students, but the socially incompetent geek is the rarity, especially in this day and age.

True: if you have to PAY someone to socialize you enough to keep your job, then you're probably hopeless.

I'm not talking about social skills. I'm talking about communications skills so you can express your ideas coherently in writing or verbally. These are skills you learn. You aren't born with them. To be able to meet with people in marketing, advertising, accounting, and information technology and communicate with them on their terms is of tremendous value. Knowing how to interact with people of different cultures is very important. Actions and comments made to the good old boy in IT, may be very offensive to the Saudi engineer, or your Japanese customer. These are things you aren't going to learn in your statistics, cost accounting or Thermodynamics class.

There's a University class "Not Offending the Saudi 101?"

Why not simply access the information needed on the internet?

While I agree that communication is important, I do not agree that Technological Specialists require another entire degree to be able to express their "ideas coherently in writing or verbally."

Certainly, a person who can communicate effectively is nice, they must have SOME highly specialized skill, or whatever they communicate is worthless.

 

[Flopper]

What I do think is stupid is for technically trained people to take the attitude that because of their specialized skills, they are smarter than others in the organization. I have seen computer support people chastise secretaries and even managers because they do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used. This often comes from employees not having the exposure to other disciplines.

I believe that employees with just job specific training are often not good members of a team. Management tends to look at these employees as a necessary evil and not team players. So when management considers outsourcing, these are the first people they look at.

Well, these are some interesting beliefs.

The most iteresting to me is "people chastise secretaries and even managers because they do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used. This often comes from employees not having the exposure to other disciplines."

What you are saying contradicts the article in the OP, which predicts that "secretaries and even managers" that "do not have an in depth understanding of the technologies they used" will simply not have jobs, or have menial jobs

Indeed, rather than techs needing more "exposure to other disciplines" it appears that the more successful secretaries and managers of the future will be REQUIRED to have an "in depth understanding of technologies they use."

Of course, we'll need to wait and see what happens; It is infinately easier to find technically trained engineers, and send them to a Dale Carnegie "How to Win Friends and Influance People" 13 week class, than it is to take Biff the Friendly Frat Rat, who graduates with a BA in Marketing, and teach him Statics & Dynamics.

I once worked in a company managing a small technical group. I remember a meeting we had with the folks in our accounting department. The comptroller had asked that we meet with them to discuss how some additional applications might solve their problems. The meeting was an unbelievable disaster. The accounting people explained their problems which had something to do with cash versus accrual accounting. My people didn't know a debit from credit but insisted that all their problems could be solved with a few spreadsheet. Mind you, these were accountants who spent most of their day working with spreadsheets. Then we topped it off with a working lunch consisting of barbecue pork sandwiches, not knowing that the head accountant who was a Muslim didn't eat pork. I didn't last long at that company and I doubt my group did either.

A lot depends on your goals. If you just want to write software, troubleshoot processes, or design widgets and you're willing to bounce around from company to company increasing your salary and technical knowledge within your field, then aside from your technical education you just need some basic communication skills. But if you hope to move up in the organization, you are going to need a lot more than your technical skills and your not going to get those skills in a 5 day people skills course.

A highly specialized employee today is often extra baggage tomorrow. This is where it is important for you to be able to convince an employer that your skills go far beyond your technical training.

 

[Charles_Main]

Future hiring will mainly benefit the high-skilled - Yahoo! News



its time to start enrolling in college people! and don't waste time on liberal arts or business BS....

Your idea?

LOL dude it is not your idea it is common sense.

Jesus self diluted much?

no, but I have posted a number of threads on it, that non-dumbasses like Samson has participated in a lot, unlike you who just posts waste of time stuff

Wow coming from you that is almost a compliment lol. Could you maybe give us an example of some of this waste of time stuff I post, or are you just talking out your ass like you usually do.

 

[Flopper]

True: if you have to PAY someone to socialize you enough to keep your job, then you're probably hopeless.

I'm not talking about social skills. I'm talking about communications skills so you can express your ideas coherently in writing or verbally. These are skills you learn. You aren't born with them. To be able to meet with people in marketing, advertising, accounting, and information technology and communicate with them on their terms is of tremendous value. Knowing how to interact with people of different cultures is very important. Actions and comments made to the good old boy in IT, may be very offensive to the Saudi engineer, or your Japanese customer. These are things you aren't going to learn in your statistics, cost accounting or Thermodynamics class.

There's a University class "Not Offending the Saudi 101?"

Why not simply access the information needed on the internet?

While I agree that communication is important, I do not agree that Technological Specialists require another entire degree to be able to express their "ideas coherently in writing or verbally."

Certainly, a person who can communicate effectively is nice, they must have SOME highly specialized skill, or whatever they communicate is worthless.

In my case, I think I would have gone further if I had got a good general education, added some work experience and then gone back for a specialized degree, but that's not for everyone.

A lot of technical curriculum are so filed with highly specialized technical courses, there is no room for courses that teach you how to think, how to express your ideas, how sell a product or yourself, how businesses and the economy function etc... In the long run, these course are going to be a lot more valuable than highly specialized course material that will soon be obsolete. I think anyone in a technical field should have a good course in technical writing as well as a course in English composition, a course in philosophy, logic, introduction to business, introduction to accounting, and economics. Also a foreign language, if possible.

 

[Samson]

I'm not talking about social skills. I'm talking about communications skills so you can express your ideas coherently in writing or verbally. These are skills you learn. You aren't born with them. To be able to meet with people in marketing, advertising, accounting, and information technology and communicate with them on their terms is of tremendous value. Knowing how to interact with people of different cultures is very important. Actions and comments made to the good old boy in IT, may be very offensive to the Saudi engineer, or your Japanese customer. These are things you aren't going to learn in your statistics, cost accounting or Thermodynamics class.

There's a University class "Not Offending the Saudi 101?"

Why not simply access the information needed on the internet?

While I agree that communication is important, I do not agree that Technological Specialists require another entire degree to be able to express their "ideas coherently in writing or verbally."

Certainly, a person who can communicate effectively is nice, they must have SOME highly specialized skill, or whatever they communicate is worthless.

In my case, I think I would have gone further if I had got a good general education, added some work experience and then gone back for a specialized degree, but that's not for everyone.

A lot of technical curriculum are so filed with highly specialized technical courses, there is no room for courses that teach you how to think, how to express your ideas, how sell a product or yourself, how businesses and the economy function etc... In the long run, these course are going to be a lot more valuable than highly specialized course material that will soon be obsolete. I think anyone in a technical field should have a good course in technical writing as well as a course in English composition, a course in philosophy, logic, introduction to business, introduction to accounting, and economics. Also a foreign language, if possible.

Key to you're proposition is, "In the long run."

Indeed, while it is undispitable that people that are Highly Skilled will be in most demand in the future, education as a lifetime pursuit will be equally necessary, and quite easy to do online. Many companies will, at least partially reimbuse employees for post graduate courses.