Histrionic Lib' Train of Thought Jumps Track, Derails

[HoleInTheVoid]

Someone didn't make it to the pharmacy in time for a refill:

It seems this time around, the Bush family is trying the more subtle approach to open bloodshed: first create a crisis, then under the guise of addressing that crisis, overthrow democracy. Yes, it does sound terribly conspiracy-theory-esque when explained just this way. But what else does one call a criminal conspiracy to destroy Congressional powers permanently, alter Judicial powers permanently, and steal public funds?

As I see it now, we have but two options and I have long alluded to hoping against hope that one of these options would not be the only one left to a peaceful people. The first and frankly most preferable option is for Congress to immediately begin impeachment proceedings against the members of this latest Business Plot.

No time needs to be wasted on hearings as we already now have in writing, formally as presented to Congress, the intentions of this administration to nullify Congressional powers permanently, to alter Judicial powers permanently, and to openly steal public funds using as blackmail the total collapse of the US economy if these powers are not handed over. You do see how this is blackmail, do you not? You do see how this is a manufactured crisis precisely designed to be used as blackmail, do you not?

The other option, the one I have long prayed we would never need to even consider, is a total revolution. But, If Congress won't act in its own self-defense, in the defense of democracy, in defense of us - the people who have elected them to protect us from this very danger - then what is left for us to do? I don't want to see it come down to this, but I fear that it will. Put your party politics aside right now. We are in a crisis so dangerous that should these people succeed in their coup, your party affiliation will no longer matter, your American flag will be a nice collectible item of something that once was, and your version of God will be worshiped in secrecy because your freedoms will be owned by the few.

Larisa Alexandrovna: Welcome to the final stages of the coup...

I'd say it's one of the rubes from this place, but there is far too much punctation and grammar.

 

[Diuretic]

Larisa posts on a regular basis at DU but she's a journalist I think, don't know who she works for but she writes very well.

Thanks for heads up, excellent article.

 

[editec]

Last week, folks, the Fed crossed a political science Rubicon.

The story they tell us about why they had to do it seems plausible. Failure to do what they did would have thrown the USA into "the worst economic disaster in this nation's history".

Still..we live in an entirely different America this week, then we lived in a fortnight ago, and as that sinks in, some of you are starting to freak out.

What we witnessed, last week, was the admission by the very people who have been insisting that the market must prevail and that the invisible hand of the market never makes mistakes, acknowledge that their theories about capitalism and the market, the foundations upon which this society and the world's economy is built, are fundamentally flawed.

Now many of us have known that these theories, as presented by the neo-cons, at least, were wildly overstated and highly idealistic.

Those of us that some of you think are communists or socialists or whatever, have been telling you that capitalism is a man-made concept, one that needs to be tended and watched over, and helped to function properly by regulations and by maintaining a level and fair playing field.

Most of us have been telling you all this, not because we are communists or socialists, but because we think capitalism is an amazing system, but NOT a perfect system. Not a system which can work efficiently left to its own devices in EVERY case.

We knew, what apparently some of you did not: that capitalism, no less than socialism or communism, is a SYSTEM created by men, and subject to breakdowns just as every other highly complex social system mankind has ever created.

We knew, that capitalism cannot entirely regulate itself by some "invisible hand of the market", even though we understood that market forces can often find solutions to problems without regulation or interference.

Well now, some of you now know that, too.

Some of you, those who won't twist this reality to fit into your pet theories, now understand that the market, left to its own devices, sometimes spins out of control until it tears itself apart.

Now some of you can understand that people acting rationally, people acting in their own best interests, people who are NOT breaking any laws, can collectively become an invisible hand of the market that destroys that market itself.

What happened last week, laisse fair capitalists, is this: the truth outed itself as the truth is apt to do from time to time.

Your precious theories, theories about the perfect market that you took on blind faith, were simply wrong.

 

[Diuretic]

Nicely put. Get your sou'wester out because there's going to some spitting outrage but that was succinctly put.

 

[editec]

Nicely put. Get your sou'wester out because there's going to some spitting outrage but that was succinctly put.

Thanks, Di.

Another exercise in casting pearls before swine, I suspect.

 

[Caligirl]

Someone didn't make it to the pharmacy in time for a refill:


Larisa Alexandrovna: Welcome to the final stages of the coup...

I'd say it's one of the rubes from this place, but there is far too much punctation and grammar.

I'd say Bush is not a conspirator in some devilish plan to overthrow america, but that he is just a moron.

Congress would be moronic to pass the bailout as it stands too.

 

[dilloduck]

I'd say Bush is not a conspirator in some devilish plan to overthrow america, but that he is just a moron.

Congress would be moronic to pass the bailout as it stands too.

Understanding that we have placed morons in Government maybe a good place to start seeking solutions instead of arguing about which morons are worse.

 

[editec]

I'd say Bush is not a conspirator in some devilish plan to overthrow america, but that he is just a moron.

Even a moron would get it right once in a while.

Bush didn't. Not once.

Ergo I cannot believe that he was "just a moron".

Congress would be moronic to pass the bailout as it stands too.

As it stands?

It is so vague, they don't know (nobody knows) what they're even voting on.

My ire this morning is that "the Plan" isn't a plan at all.

It's throwing dice.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

Even a moron would get it right once in a while.

Bush didn't. Not once.

Barack says the surge was a success.

Barack is following BUsh's lead on the bailout.

To quote Obi Wan: who is more foolish; the fool or the fool who follows?

 

[editec]

Yeah, just keep playing the partisan game, Hole.

Like that matters.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

Yeah, just keep playing the partisan game, Hole.

Like that matters.

Um-m-m...

...the OP is about some unhinged lefty who thinks the only way to rescue the US from the evil GOP is the violate federal law by advocating armed rebellion.

That's not partisan?

But nice of you just the same to acquiesce the point that Obama is more a follower than a leader.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Last week, folks, the Fed crossed a political science Rubicon.

The story they tell us about why they had to do it seems plausible. Failure to do what they did would have thrown the USA into "the worst economic disaster in this nation's history".

Still..we live in an entirely different America this week, then we lived in a fortnight ago, and as that sinks in, some of you are starting to freak out.

What we witnessed, last week, was the admission by the very people who have been insisting that the market must prevail and that the invisible hand of the market never makes mistakes, acknowledge that their theories about capitalism and the market, the foundations upon which this society and the world's economy is built, are fundamentally flawed.

Now many of us have known that these theories, as presented by the neo-cons, at least, were wildly overstated and highly idealistic.

Those of us that some of you think are communists or socialists or whatever, have been telling you that capitalism is a man-made concept, one that needs to be tended and watched over, and helped to function properly by regulations and by maintaining a level and fair playing field.

Most of us have been telling you all this, not because we are communists or socialists, but because we think capitalism is an amazing system, but NOT a perfect system. Not a system which can work efficiently left to its own devices in EVERY case.

We knew, what apparently some of you did not: that capitalism, no less than socialism or communism, is a SYSTEM created by men, and subject to breakdowns just as every other highly complex social system mankind has ever created.

We knew, that capitalism cannot entirely regulate itself by some "invisible hand of the market", even though we understood that market forces can often find solutions to problems without regulation or interference.

Well now, some of you now know that, too.

Some of you, those who won't twist this reality to fit into your pet theories, now understand that the market, left to its own devices, sometimes spins out of control until it tears itself apart.

Now some of you can understand that people acting rationally, people acting in their own best interests, people who are NOT breaking any laws, can collectively become an invisible hand of the market that destroys that market itself.

What happened last week, laisse fair capitalists, is this: the truth outed itself as the truth is apt to do from time to time.

Your precious theories, theories about the perfect market that you took on blind faith, were simply wrong.

The problem with blaming the free market for this financial crisis is that we don't adhere to the free market. It's precisely the government regulation in the market that has caused this crisis.

 

[jillian]

The problem with blaming the free market for this financial crisis is that we don't adhere to the free market. It's precisely the government regulation in the market that has caused this crisis.

You have that butt backwards.

And no, we don't have a pure free market... but it's much more of a free market now than it was 8 years ago. Do you like the results?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Deregulation of the banks and the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates are not traits of the free market. Thus, we have no free market.

 

[Caligirl]

Even a moron would get it right once in a while.

Bush didn't. Not once.

He got it right when he told Harriett to remove herself from the SC nomination.

Once in eight years, to crrect a mistake, hey it's a start.

(And actually I think John Roberts was a hell of a good pick although I disagree with his conservative views. He is sharp as a tack and I think he argues from a place of personal integrity, just one I disagree with.)

As it stands?

It is so vague, they don't know (nobody knows) what they're even voting on.

My ire this morning is that "the Plan" isn't a plan at all.

It's throwing dice.

Section eight is the really ridiculous part, no? If this thing passes with that in it I'll be completely flabbergasted.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Section eight is the really ridiculous part, no? If this thing passes with that in it I'll be completely flabbergasted.

The amount of power given to this one man with absolutely no accountability to anyone is ridiculous.

 

[editec]

Deregulation of the banks and the Federal Reserve lowering interest rates are not traits of the free market. Thus, we have no free market.

The FED is not a trait of a free market, either.

To have a free market you cannot have any government.

What is a market, anyway?

It is the interactions of people who can do whatever they want whenever they want.

Does that sound like anyplace you've ever lived or even ever heard of?

You want a free market?

Anarchy is your only free market reality, amigo. Barter is the only FREE MARKET specie, too.

Every market is a system devised in a political reality and no market exists sans that overarching political system to make the rules of how that market is played.

the FREEer market we are enjoying is badly designed since it doesn't reward those who work very well while rewarding people who do littlel more than manipulate fiat capital better than monachies rewarded kings in the past..

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You're absolutely right, the Fed is not a trait of the free market. The Fed is also not Constitutional, but that may be for another argument at another time.

Perhaps Ron Paul can explain our current situation better than I can.

Commentary: Bailouts will lead to rough economic ride - CNN.com

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

The FED is not a trait of a free market, either.

To have a free market you cannot have any government.

No conservative believes that.

The constitution enumerates the regulating of weights and measures to congress.

What is a market, anyway?

It is the interactions of people who can do whatever they want whenever they want.

Does that sound like anyplace you've ever lived or even ever heard of?

A horrendous misconception.

The proper role of gov't is to punish unlawful force and fraud. That strengthens markets by making them stable.

And please don't post any John Hartmann essays saying that since gov't creates this peaceful environment it by rights/default owns the market.

Free people give charter for the formation of gov't entities such as police departments, but those institutions serve at our pleaseure, not in spite of it. You might as well claim that the police officer that protects your neighborhood summarily owns your house. An absurdity if ever there was one.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Thanks, Di.

Another exercise in casting pearls before swine, I suspect.

But every once in a while the lesson is taken up.

Great post.

I just would like to see the practice of paying these outrageous golden parachute exit bonuses to stop. Permitting that while allowing those on the bottom to foot the cost is totally wrong. I suppose it is a credit to how truly "civilized" the middle and down are, that none of the beneficiaries of the money pot get murdered on a regular basis.

On the housing business, a wise young woman that I know said that one of the most horrible things about all of this was the one group, forever having it pushed on them that they should have their own home, own property, BE SOMEONE, and which was led by false hope and often by lies into situations where the people could not function. As she says, had they stayed renters, yup, it wouldn't have been theirs, but then they would not have had what were essentially always false hopes, only to be slammed into the muck, worse off, and possibly never able to recover, and losing everything, even the little they had. Relative "poverty" for sure, but most, even with the little lives, function - that is til the con man gets them. They don't deserve, didn't deserve to be raised up and then slammed just so some asshole on top could grab his/her golden parachute and laugh as they gently touch down on their five acre lawn behind the protective walls of their "compound."


On the light side, I say sarcastically, this should take some of the onus off of so called "public housing," as now the national public owns all of it, don't we!

As for rules and regulations, going back to Genesis, Leviticus, and farther to the CODE of Hammurabi, the reason for all the laws, rules, regs and so on is because every one of these sets of laws demos that one or more people acted against what is good for the social whole. Rugged individulaism is a) a lie, and b) not really allowable except on a very small scale. Otherwise the society does break down. We've just gotten a lesson.

As for the "well they deserve what they got" crowd, I just cannot see people being taken advantage of the way they have been, or laughing at their misery. Kinda figure that those who would say that, do that or feel that way are the ones that offer an old dog food and then kick it because the old ones can't get out of the way of it!