History of Climate Science

[flacaltenn]

Well dayum Ian.. if that dont look like scientists reaching a CONSENSUS !, !




Ifmthey go a bit further on that trajectory.. We will blast past the CO2 ONLY values and up in negative number territory. Or imaginary number territory... Newton is right. Our job is done. We should STFU. Because the Climate biz may be in the process of fixing itself. And crick and rocks will be the last to figure out what happened.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well Mr. Ian, we will definately get to see who is correct on this.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, a median of over 2 degrees C is hardly an optimistic outlook.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Rocks this is their intent. To make it 'appear' there is debate. They will never stop no matter what evidence there is because their purpose is to delay action in perpetuity.

That's why its best to say ignore the deniers and go talk to someone at your nearby University. Educating the public is the answer.

The denial cult only has one agenda, stopping any real action on curtailing the use of fossil fuels.

I agree post up factual information as you are doing. The real evidence needs to be out there. But they will argue with any amount of evidence there is. They don't want to win or lose the argument, they simply want it to appear there IS an argument.

Very true, however, we will never convince them, no matter what evidence is presented. It is the lurkers, the people that have not yet seen the evidence that we must post the scientists findings for. It is as Professor Cook states.

Absolutely post the evidence for people that aren't sure but do want to know the reality of Global Warming. I'm saying best to not engage the deniers as just the engagement is what they want.

For sure post the correct information and where to find it. Because you know the toadstools will be busy posting their poison.

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, a median of over 2 degrees C is hardly an optimistic outlook.

Using that silly number as an explanation of ANYTHING needs to be killed off. But at 2degC/doubling -- that would leave us at the end of the first Industrial Age doubling (probably by 2080?) with an effect that's hardly worth all these posts and the dominance of this ONE environmental topics over all others. Lots of wasted time and effort for almost 300yrs of a doubling.

So YOU can get all fussy about the NEXT doubling of CO2 and start badgering folks about that -- when we SHOULD be preparing for the next ice age in that same timeframe.. (somewhere in 2200)

 

[flacaltenn]

Rocks this is their intent. To make it 'appear' there is debate. They will never stop no matter what evidence there is because their purpose is to delay action in perpetuity.

That's why its best to say ignore the deniers and go talk to someone at your nearby University. Educating the public is the answer.

The denial cult only has one agenda, stopping any real action on curtailing the use of fossil fuels.

I agree post up factual information as you are doing. The real evidence needs to be out there. But they will argue with any amount of evidence there is. They don't want to win or lose the argument, they simply want it to appear there IS an argument.

Very true, however, we will never convince them, no matter what evidence is presented. It is the lurkers, the people that have not yet seen the evidence that we must post the scientists findings for. It is as Professor Cook states.

Absolutely post the evidence for people that aren't sure but do want to know the reality of Global Warming. I'm saying best to not engage the deniers as just the engagement is what they want.

For sure post the correct information and where to find it. Because you know the toadstools will be busy posting their poison.

Good plan.. Be certain that YOU don't engage in ANY debate on the topic that would require you to learn something about it.. How come you never responded to my comments on your OP thread here. No interest in discussing claims made in the "timeline"?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Data
The raw observational and model data can be downloaded here:
Observed land-ocean temperature
Responses to climate forcings
850 year Preindustrial control experiment

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

What s Really Warming the World Climate deniers blame natural factors NASA data proves otherwise

 

[IsaacNewton]

Climate Change denial is a cult. The cult of the Koch Bros. and others.

Ignore them. Their intent isn't to find fact. Their intent is to put forth a false debate.

There is no debate. The science is settled. Global Warming is real and accelerating.

Talk to your local University and you will know the facts.

 

[IanC]

Climate Change denial is a cult. The cult of the Koch Bros. and others.

Ignore them. Their intent isn't to find fact. Their intent is to put forth a false debate.

There is no debate. The science is settled. Global Warming is real and accelerating.

Talk to your local University and you will know the facts.

You and Old Rocks don't seem to understand the definition of 'accelerating'.

 

[flacaltenn]

What s Really Warming the World Climate deniers blame natural factors NASA data proves otherwise

Nice cartoon there.. Not entirely accurate and does not provide the links or sources for the data. Particularly in terms of solar forcings, there's be a concerted effort to not include the run-up in Total Solar Irradiance since the Little Ice Age. Don't know why or how it get left out of your Looney Tune. But actual satellite data tells a much different story..



Now could be because they NEED to ignore shit like this and tell folks to count sunspots. Sunspots are NOT as accurate as that graph from TIM-SORCE satellite group..

Everywhere you look -- the truth seems to have been rearranged a bit. And in this case, the warmers have convinced folks that WHATEVER caused our blip of temperature rise has to look exactly like the resulting temperature increase.

In the past 6 yrs or so -- Climate Science is correcting that misconception. The Earth's Climate system does NOT respond in terms of days or months or even decades to external forcings. NOW it is believed that a forcing could take up to a century to manifest in a "Global Avg Temp. Change" ..

So that solar increase since the 1700s -- even tho it is now level off at a max for a couple decades may STILL be adding to increased temperatures today..

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

So that solar increase since the 1700s -- even tho it is now level off at a max for a couple decades may STILL be adding to increased temperatures today..

I just do not understand why world leaders, The UN, The UK Climatology Center and the Japanese one too just don't simply call you in so you can "'break it down" and you can then be the Nobel price winner or something eh... I mean "you da man" ...
when it comes to Climate and Science you happen to be the eminence grise ...............unnnnbelievable.........

 

[flacaltenn]

What s Really Warming the World Climate deniers blame natural factors NASA data proves otherwise

Nice cartoon there.. Not entirely accurate and does not provide the links or sources for the data. Particularly in terms of solar forcings, there's be a concerted effort to not include the run-up in Total Solar Irradiance since the Little Ice Age. Don't know why or how it get left out of your Looney Tune. But actual satellite data tells a much different story..



Now could be because they NEED to ignore shit like this and tell folks to count sunspots. Sunspots are NOT as accurate as that graph from TIM-SORCE satellite group..

Everywhere you look -- the truth seems to have been rearranged a bit. And in this case, the warmers have convinced folks that WHATEVER caused our blip of temperature rise has to look exactly like the resulting temperature increase.

In the past 6 yrs or so -- Climate Science is correcting that misconception. The Earth's Climate system does NOT respond in terms of days or months or even decades to external forcings. NOW it is believed that a forcing could take up to a century to manifest in a "Global Avg Temp. Change" ..

So that solar increase since the 1700s -- even tho it is now level off at a max for a couple decades may STILL be adding to increased temperatures today..

BTW --- not saying that ALL of the temperature blip is due to the sun. But I saying that it's obvious they;'ve left it out of discussion by discussing sunspots rather than TSI or dismissing it because it the sun paused at a Maximum about 30 yrs ago..

Don't NEED to explain all of it. NO ONE CAN.. And more and more climate folks are saying that natural variations have been severely UNDERestimated in order to move the political campaign along...

 

[flacaltenn]

So that solar increase since the 1700s -- even tho it is now level off at a max for a couple decades may STILL be adding to increased temperatures today..

I just do not understand why world leaders, The UN, The UK Climatology Center and the Japanese one too just don't simply call you in so you can "'break it down" and you can then be the Nobel price winner or something eh... I mean "you da man" ...
when it comes to Climate and Science you happen to be the eminence grise ...............unnnnbelievable.........

Funny how smart some dumb Internet shithead can sound if they actually READ, STUDY and research the arguments for about 20 years --- huh?? Instead of acting like a fact Nazi and calling for purges and tossin a tantrum....

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Funny how smart some dumb Internet shithead can sound if they actually READ, STUDY and research the arguments for about 20 years --- huh?? Instead of acting like a fact Nazi and calling for purges and tossin a tantrum....

yeah you are "funny ha ha".....its just the rest of the world that does not see your genius and superiority

 

[mamooth]

Flac used to call it a step-function-response to solar forcing. But the current acceleration in warming conclusively disproves that, so he's left with more of a vague handwaving that it just has to be the sun because he wants it to be the sun.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Climate Science is about as scientific as phrenology and far less accurate that a good astrologer

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy" -- IPCC

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ignore the people here and elsewhere that post up false information.

The science is settled. Everyone claiming 'hoax' has already been proven wrong by evidence.

The fact that they keep posting that same debunked evidence over and over points out how limited their argument is.

Ignore them. This isn't a political issue. It is a survival issue.

Reality: the Ultimate DENIER!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I check every day to see if Guam is still upright. At this point I have to wonder if Guam is a DENIER!!?