Hillary- Obamacare Problem- Rates Increase ~16%

[bendog]

Look, anyone with a brain knew what a cluster this was going to be, and it is.

Average rate hikes of 16% because not enough are joining the cluster train and more are sicker than previously expected.

Duh, lets see..... You take a bunch of free loaders with no pre-exisiting condition clause... What could go wrong?

-Geaux
------------

But the size of premium increases could still spell trouble.

ObamaCare premiums are expected to rise more this year in part because insurers initially set their premiums too low. The pool of enrollees has been smaller and sicker than expected and many insurers now need to raise premiums to stop losing money.

An analysis from the consulting firm Avalere Health last week found that early data from nine states indicate an average 16 percent premium increase, compared to about 6 percent at this point last year.

There are examples of even bigger increases. Providence Health Plan, one of Oregon’s largest insurers, is seeking a 29.6 percent increase.

Hillary's ObamaCare problem

Legalized extortion

That's pretty much what taxes are. Ultimately we'll probably end up with single payer, and the question will be how much of the cost can employers dump on workers.

 

[Theowl32]

Look, anyone with a brain knew what a cluster this was going to be, and it is.

Average rate hikes of 16% because not enough are joining the cluster train and more are sicker than previously expected.

Duh, lets see..... You take a bunch of free loaders with no pre-exisiting condition clause... What could go wrong?

-Geaux
------------

But the size of premium increases could still spell trouble.

ObamaCare premiums are expected to rise more this year in part because insurers initially set their premiums too low. The pool of enrollees has been smaller and sicker than expected and many insurers now need to raise premiums to stop losing money.

An analysis from the consulting firm Avalere Health last week found that early data from nine states indicate an average 16 percent premium increase, compared to about 6 percent at this point last year.

There are examples of even bigger increases. Providence Health Plan, one of Oregon’s largest insurers, is seeking a 29.6 percent increase.

Hillary's ObamaCare problem

Legalized extortion

That's pretty much what taxes are. Ultimately we'll probably end up with single payer, and the question will be how much of the cost can employers dump on workers.

Which has been the plan all along. It has always been a single payer trojan horse.

This whole movement has been the world leaders slowly but surely pushing us towards the one world government under ONE big socialist set up.

Socialist, just a new word for the old "feudal system."

Hence the EU and western Europe being invaded by the ORGANIZED refugees. Hence the first time since 1417 TWO Popes alive and the first time one was chosen from outside of Europe. Oh, just so happens to be from a continent where virtually every country lead by marxist leaders under the guise of "liberation theology."

All pushing the world towards this ONE WORLD RULE.

The chess pieces are being put in place and the great tribulation is around the corner. The never believers are blind to all truth so they will giggle like the disgraceful cackling hyenas they are.

Meanwhile the perfect contrived president who received a PEACE AWARD from those SAME EUROPEAN WORLD LEADERS.

I advise you to pick a side. I am hoping your eyes are opening to what is happening.

 

[Freewill]

The system here was fine the way it was.

See?

Here's a perfect example of a rube saying we didn't have a problem. That's why the GOP offered up NOTHING.

We had a problem. A HUGE problem. A GROWING problem. More and more people were being priced out of the health care market.

And that is why America went for Plan A. ObamaCare. Because dipshits like Theowl32 were in denial there even was a problem.

l
So far it appears your arguments are, Obamacare was designed to reduce cost, it hasn't but the costs were rising before Obamacare. You argue that the democrats lied to each otherwise Obamacare would have been defeated. People were being priced out of the market and now the only ones priced out are the middle class. Quite the rationale.

No, my argument is that you rubes were in a coma until January 20, 2009. And when Obama put a plan on the table to fix the healthcare problem, your response was "Problem? I see no problem!", which makes sense since you were in a coma until then and didn't know healthcare costs had been going up, up, up for decades.


My argument is that ObamaCare was a giant bait-and-switch con which could easily have been defeated with the facts and the truth except you rubes decided to fall for the "death panels" hoax instead.

This has to be the most convoluted distortion in order to blame Republicans for what democrats did all on their own. How do you defeat something passed in the dark of night after "corn husker" pay offs? Nothing was going to stop Reed and Pelosi and Obama, nothing. They had a legacy to fulfill and they certainly have.

My argument is that ObamaCare is another stepping stone to single payer healthcare. One in a series of stepping stones.

I see no one who benefits from single payer.

My argument is that the GOP has been working in collusion with the Democrats to get us all to single payer healthcare.

What is single payer going to do? Dictate the price for medical care? the government does that now with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and a host of other programs.

My argument is that we have been steadily moved along so many stepping stones that when the wheels fall off ObamaCare, the people will cry out for single payer healthcare, just as has been intended for many years by both parties.

Or, we could elect someone other than Sanders or Clinton. Someone who has a fundamental understanding of how business works. Someone educated in Business. But the left won't they want to travel down the same road as Obama.

As long as companies are the primary source of health care insurance Obamacare will be with us. Those who are for Obamacare, my opinion, are those who have company sponsored health care insurance. It doesn't matter to them what is the deductibles or out of pocket for Obamacare.

As long as the Medical/Health care insurance/drug companies are so huge and have so many lobbyists I don't see single payer on the horizon at least for a long time.

My answer to the health care problem and rise of prices.
1. Allow access to the VA health network to ALL veterans. At least the prescription end.
2. Expand Medicaid.
3. Make cobra affordable for those who lose their jobs.
4. Since the government is requiring a person to buy health care insurance then those who are not on company-sponsored health care insurance can fully deduct the premium.
5. Delete the mandates from Obamacare and the part D of Medicare.
6. If need be have the govrnment become a health care, for pay, provider. Let the government be in competition with the Health care insurance providers.

Expand text.

 

[g5000]

The system here was fine the way it was.

See?

Here's a perfect example of a rube saying we didn't have a problem. That's why the GOP offered up NOTHING.

We had a problem. A HUGE problem. A GROWING problem. More and more people were being priced out of the health care market.

And that is why America went for Plan A. ObamaCare. Because dipshits like Theowl32 were in denial there even was a problem.

l
So far it appears your arguments are, Obamacare was designed to reduce cost, it hasn't but the costs were rising before Obamacare. You argue that the democrats lied to each otherwise Obamacare would have been defeated. People were being priced out of the market and now the only ones priced out are the middle class. Quite the rationale.

No, my argument is that you rubes were in a coma until January 20, 2009. And when Obama put a plan on the table to fix the healthcare problem, your response was "Problem? I see no problem!", which makes sense since you were in a coma until then and didn't know healthcare costs had been going up, up, up for decades.


My argument is that ObamaCare was a giant bait-and-switch con which could easily have been defeated with the facts and the truth except you rubes decided to fall for the "death panels" hoax instead.

This has to be the most convoluted distortion in order to blame Republicans for what democrats did all on their own. How do you defeat something passed in the dark of night after "corn husker" pay offs? Nothing was going to stop Reed and Pelosi and Obama, nothing. They had a legacy to fulfill and they certainly have.

My argument is that ObamaCare is another stepping stone to single payer healthcare. One in a series of stepping stones.

I see no one who benefits from single payer.

My argument is that the GOP has been working in collusion with the Democrats to get us all to single payer healthcare.

What is single payer going to do? Dictate the price for medical care? the government does that now with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and a host of other programs.

My argument is that we have been steadily moved along so many stepping stones that when the wheels fall off ObamaCare, the people will cry out for single payer healthcare, just as has been intended for many years by both parties.

Or, we could elect someone other than Sanders or Clinton. Someone who has a fundamental understanding of how business works. Someone educated in Business. But the left won't they want to travel down the same road as Obama.

As long as companies are the primary source of health care insurance Obamacare will be with us. Those who are for Obamacare, my opinion, are those who have company sponsored health care insurance. It doesn't matter to them what is the deductibles or out of pocket for Obamacare.

As long as the Medical/Health care insurance/drug companies are so huge and have so many lobbyists I don't see single payer on the horizon at least for a long time.

My answer to the health care problem and rise of prices.
1. Allow access to the VA health network to ALL veterans. At least the prescription end.
2. Expand Medicaid.
3. Make cobra affordable for those who lose their jobs.
4. Since the government is requiring a person to buy health care insurance then those who are not on company-sponsored health care insurance can fully deduct the premium.
5. Delete the mandates from Obamacare and the part D of Medicare.
6. If need be have the govrnment become a health care, for pay, provider. Let the government be in competition with the Health care insurance providers.

Expand text.

The meme that ObamaCare was "passed in the dead of night" is total manufactured bullshit. I can't believe there are still idiots who repeat that bogosity. The GOP had several inputs to it over a period of several months.

 

[g5000]

My argument is that ObamaCare is another stepping stone to single payer healthcare. One in a series of stepping stones.

I see no one who benefits from single payer.

And that has what, exactly, to do with what I said?

My argument is that the GOP has been working in collusion with the Democrats to get us all to single payer healthcare.

What is single payer going to do? Dictate the price for medical care? the government does that now with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and a host of other programs.

Really? You don't know what single payer will do? Seriously?

Expand text.

I'm sick and tired of people who don't know how to use the quote function properly.

 

[Freewill]

My argument is that ObamaCare is another stepping stone to single payer healthcare. One in a series of stepping stones.

I see no one who benefits from single payer.

And that has what, exactly, to do with what I said?

My argument is that the GOP has been working in collusion with the Democrats to get us all to single payer healthcare.

What is single payer going to do? Dictate the price for medical care? the government does that now with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and a host of other programs.

Really? You don't know what single payer will do? Seriously?

Expand text.

I'm sick and tired of people who don't know how to use the quote function properly.

Well then you will be happy to be put on ignore. Civil discussion is impossible with as it is is with most liberals so I move on and not make you sick and tired.

Before you go on the list:

While You Sleep: 1:00 AM Monday Vote Set on Obamacare

 

[g5000]

My argument is that ObamaCare is another stepping stone to single payer healthcare. One in a series of stepping stones.

I see no one who benefits from single payer.

And that has what, exactly, to do with what I said?

My argument is that the GOP has been working in collusion with the Democrats to get us all to single payer healthcare.

What is single payer going to do? Dictate the price for medical care? the government does that now with Medicare, Medicaid, the VA and a host of other programs.

Really? You don't know what single payer will do? Seriously?

Expand text.

I'm sick and tired of people who don't know how to use the quote function properly.

Well then you will be happy to be put on ignore. Civil discussion is impossible with as it is is with most liberals so I move on and not make you sick and tired.

Before you go on the list:

While You Sleep: 1:00 AM Monday Vote Set on Obamacare

As I said, the GOP had several months to add their amendments to the bill, which they did, and they had several months to read it. This "dead of night" shit is deliberately meant to imply that somehow all Republicans turn into pumpkins at midnight. If you stopped and, you know, THINK for two seconds, you would realize how stupid you sound trying to make the time it was passed into some sooper sekrit conspiracy.

It is as if you retards blanked out all the months and months of debate over the bill. Remember the "death panels"? How did you hear about that made up bullshit for MONTHS if the bill was magically snuck by the GOP?

Goddam, you idiots who repeat that meme are the dumbest of the dumb.

 

[Vigilante]

• UnitedHealth pulls out of Obamacare in California
  washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 5/31/16 | By Robert King
  UnitedHealth is exiting California's Obamacare exchange as part of its exodus from the law's individual marketplaces. The state's Obamacare exchange, Covered California, told Kaiser Health News on Tuesday that the largest U.S. insurer is leaving the entire individual market in the state. Obamacare comprises a majority of the individual market, which is for people who don't get insurance through their job. UnitedHealth has been in the exchange for only about a year and has about 1,200 enrollees. Covered California had more than 425,000 people enroll overall in the latest open enrollment period. Earlier this year, UnitedHealth announced it was leaving...

 

[Oldstyle]

Here's the thing.

Health insurance rate hikes were rising faster than the rate of inflation FOR DECADES. Not since ObamaCare was enacted.

FOR...SEVERAL...DECADES.

Here was the Republican plan for comprehensive health care reform during that entire period: NOTHING.

Here was the Democratic plan for comprehensive health care reform during that entire period: Socialized Medicine.


When you offer the American people NOTHING and Plan A as the solutions for a growing problem, they will ALWAYS choose Plan A.

Always.

And that is how we ended up with the ObamaCare train wreck, and that is why we will have single-payer healthcare in our lifetimes.

Especially since both Trump and Clinton support single-payer healthcare.

You fucked up, retards.

Solve the problem, or just whine and whine and whine about Plan A. How has offering up NOTHING and whining about the other guy's plan been working for ya?

So we're responsible for "solving the problems" of ACA? Really, G5000? You pass an awful piece of legislation before the voters can send GOP representatives to Washington to stop you and then you say that it's the GOP that needs to fix it? You guys knew the ACA sucked back when Nancy and Harry WROTE it! It's why you had to lie about what was in it and what it would cost! It's why you had to bribe Democrats to vote for it!

GOP is responsible for doing what needs to be done

If healthcare costs are rising out of control, it is up to the current Congress to address

So let me see if I understand how this all works in "Winger Land"! The Democrats rush through a terrible piece of healthcare legislation because they're about to lose control of Congress...but it's the GOP that is to blame for rising costs? Interesting concept...

In case you haven't noticed...the GOP led House has tried repeatedly to get rid of the ACA and those efforts have been blocked by Harry Reid and Barack Obama. So if costs are rising under ObamaCare then it's up to Harry Reid and Barack Obama to fix it because they OWN that...lock, stock and barrel!

 

[billyerock1991]

What is offered does not sustain itself

Again, I was better off all the way around prior to ACA.

-Geaux

And so was I.....but guess what, US companies shop for cheap insurance for their employers.....in order to garner more profit for themselves...something I don't blame ACA for, but corporate america's greed...finger pointing time again!!

yes us companies will shop for cheeper plans there is no question their but the ACA says you have to have a certain amount of insurance to the plan that the Federal government will accept so your point here is pointless

Listen, if you do anything going forward, please for the sake of God educated yourself. ACA provides the following...free mamogram, pap smear, birth control and yearly testing.....when you have these high cost procedures tackled from the onset, you prevent things from happening, like unwanted pregnancies, breast cancer and ovarian cancers....especially among a younger generation. Learn and stop the bitching.

ahhhh are you speaking to me??? it seems you didn't read the whole post .... freewill was talking about companies shopping around ...My response to him/her was thats fine, but the all have to live up to the ACA requirements ... meaning the have to have free mamogram, pap smear, birth control and yearly testing, unwanted pregnancies, breast cancer and ovarian cancers ... this I agree with you on ... all accept one word ... you say its free ... thats a bad misguided word to republicans ... yes it free to the patient but the insurance company pays for the hospital isn't out of they expense, they get paid lets make that clear...

When are you dumbasses on the left going to learn the definition of free?

I know the meaning of free dumb fuck ... the problem you have, like all af you right wing nut jobs, medicaid and medicare isn't paid by the government ... it is paid by you and I along with the company you work for... its dumb fucks like you who are the clueless of all

 

[billyerock1991]

• UnitedHealth pulls out of Obamacare in California
  washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 5/31/16 | By Robert King
  UnitedHealth is exiting California's Obamacare exchange as part of its exodus from the law's individual marketplaces. The state's Obamacare exchange, Covered California, told Kaiser Health News on Tuesday that the largest U.S. insurer is leaving the entire individual market in the state. Obamacare comprises a majority of the individual market, which is for people who don't get insurance through their job. UnitedHealth has been in the exchange for only about a year and has about 1,200 enrollees. Covered California had more than 425,000 people enroll overall in the latest open enrollment period. Earlier this year, UnitedHealth announced it was leaving...

so big deal ... any state they go to the still have to offer all the things that the federal government mandates for insurance companies has to offers ... if they want to be a health insurance provider... as far as i'm concerned, I don't care what state they pull out ...

 

[billyerock1991]

are you for real??? really are you????

answer to your first question is the easiest one of all ... if your state takes the ACA to their state, those who can't afford it go on Medicaid and are covered 100% thats the way its set up ... I realize you never really looked at the ACA plan cause this is the stupidest question you've asked ...

Actually this is the second stupidest question you have asked ... heres how we stop the cost going up ... all states that hasn't accepted the ACA plan, cause their republican governor refuses to accept it, is forced to accept it ... mcost goes down ... next stupid question???

yes I agree Obama care could have been done much better ... the fact that they allowed states to opt out of the ACA was their biggest mistake in the ACA ...so the first thing they could do is stop republican governors from opting out of the ACA ... problems solved ...

State Governors aren't accepting it because they don't want to be saddled with the bill for it once the REAL costs kick in...you know the costs that Barry, Harry and Nancy lied about to get this mess passed in the first place?

the reason governors won't accept it, it will could cause it to fail .. as soon as you get a democrat for governor he will accept it ... then your problem is that you will have, is you will see how much better it is and how much cheaper it is and they don't want that ...

The state of Ky....was a model for the ACA because so many signed up for it and the state actually lowered its cost of healthcare....but white people so stupid, so hatin on the black guy in the white house, voted for a Tea Party nut and now these sorry fucks are all running around with their fingers stuck up their ass cause dude is forcing the out.....why? Because the dumb hicks, thought Obamacare and ACA were two different things...that's how stupid white people are in this country and how blind they are to FACTS!!

the other day I saw a white woman at a trump rally, this is a little of subject, with a souther accent ... she said when trump is elected he will throw out those people in congress to get work done ...I just shook my head

Black unemployment is twice as high as that of whites, 1 1/2 times that of hispanic, and 2 1/3 times greater than Asians yet blacks voted for a black President. Blacks receive food stamps at a rate of 1 out of every 3 1/2 yet they voted for a black President. Looks like to me that they aren't very smart.

Average IQ comparing blacks and whites shows a 15 point difference. Those are facts. Maybe that's why blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. They aren't smart enough to figure out Democrats want them on the plantation.

once again the racist tries to spew his lies

 

[billyerock1991]

are you for real??? really are you????

answer to your first question is the easiest one of all ... if your state takes the ACA to their state, those who can't afford it go on Medicaid and are covered 100% thats the way its set up ... I realize you never really looked at the ACA plan cause this is the stupidest question you've asked ...

Actually this is the second stupidest question you have asked ... heres how we stop the cost going up ... all states that hasn't accepted the ACA plan, cause their republican governor refuses to accept it, is forced to accept it ... mcost goes down ... next stupid question???

yes I agree Obama care could have been done much better ... the fact that they allowed states to opt out of the ACA was their biggest mistake in the ACA ...so the first thing they could do is stop republican governors from opting out of the ACA ... problems solved ...

State Governors aren't accepting it because they don't want to be saddled with the bill for it once the REAL costs kick in...you know the costs that Barry, Harry and Nancy lied about to get this mess passed in the first place?

the reason governors won't accept it, it will could cause it to fail .. as soon as you get a democrat for governor he will accept it ... then your problem is that you will have, is you will see how much better it is and how much cheaper it is and they don't want that ...

The state of Ky....was a model for the ACA because so many signed up for it and the state actually lowered its cost of healthcare....but white people so stupid, so hatin on the black guy in the white house, voted for a Tea Party nut and now these sorry fucks are all running around with their fingers stuck up their ass cause dude is forcing the out.....why? Because the dumb hicks, thought Obamacare and ACA were two different things...that's how stupid white people are in this country and how blind they are to FACTS!!

the other day I saw a white woman at a trump rally, this is a little of subject, with a souther accent ... she said when trump is elected he will throw out those people in congress to get work done ...I just shook my head

Black unemployment is twice as high as that of whites, 1 1/2 times that of hispanic, and 2 1/3 times greater than Asians yet blacks voted for a black President. Blacks receive food stamps at a rate of 1 out of every 3 1/2 yet they voted for a black President. Looks like to me that they aren't very smart.

Average IQ comparing blacks and whites shows a 15 point difference. Those are facts. Maybe that's why blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. They aren't smart enough to figure out Democrats want them on the plantation.

Myth #1: Food stamps are “growing exponentially” because of waste and fraud.

Rep. Rick Crawford (R-AR) recently said, “Throughout the Obama presidency, we’ve seen the food stamp program grow exponentially because the government continues to turn a blind eye to a system fraught with abuse.”

Interestingly, a number of members of Congress disparage food stamps while receiving farm subsidies. Rep. Vicki Hartzler (R-MO) said, “This program is known for waste, fraud and abuse.” (Halter has received $516,000 in farm subsidies.) Kristi Noem (R-SD) said, “Loopholes and fraud …have led to federal spending on SNAP to increase 270%.” (Noem has received $503,000 in farm subsidies.) And Rep. Doug Lamalfa (R-CA) said that churches are more “accountable” at helping the poor than government. He said government has “failed” at helping the poor, so we should “retract” the program. (Lamalfa has received more than $1.7 million in farm subsidies.)

And other conservatives call President Obama the “food stamp president” because the program has grown since the recession hit.

Actually, the SNAP (food stamp) program is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and what a democracy would ask of it. It is helping people who need the help.

Last March the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP) responded to the charges that the program’s growth is out of control, reporting that:

• SNAP has responded effectively to the recession.
• The recent growth in SNAP spending is temporary.
• SNAP reaches a high share of people who are eligible.
• SNAP payment accuracy is at all-time highs.

(Click through to CBPP for comprehensive details.)

What about “fraud”? Implicit in the accusation that the program is “growing exponentially” is the idea that the program is rife with fraud and waste. But the fraud and waste rate in the SNAP program is less than 1 percent. The Department of Agriculture (USDA) administers the SNAP program. They say the fraud rate “has fallen significantly over the last two decades, from about 4 cents on the dollar in 1993 to about 1 cent in 2006-08 (most recent data available).”

Finally, the “error rate” which includes overpayments and payments to ineligible households is very low as well. According to Feeding America using USDA data, “SNAP error rates declined by 57% since FY2000, from 8.91% in FY2000 to a record low of 3.80% in FY2011.” Want to guess what the “compliance rate” with the IRS is? Last time they checked (2006) $450 billion was left uncollected because of non-compliance. In one year. But conservatives aren’t complaining about that.

Myth #2: Cutting food stamps will make people get jobs because able-bodied people are getting food stamps instead of working.

Republicans call food stamps “welfare” and called the bill cutting food stamps the “Work Opportunity Act.” The idea is that after five years of recession and with 11.3 million people unemployed—4.3 million out of work for 27 weeks or more—along with 7.9 million people working part-time but looking for full-time and another 2.3 million “marginally attached” what the country needs is even more hungry people.

Actually, even though many on food stamps are children, elderly, disabled or temporarily unemployed, lots of people who use food stamps already are working. According to Feeding America, “76% of SNAP households included a child, an elderly person, or a disabled person. These vulnerable households receive 83% of all SNAP benefits.” According to the USDA, “Over 30 percent of SNAP households had earnings in 2011, and 41 percent of all SNAP participants lived in a household with earnings.”

One more thing, people don’t get very much food stamp money: 4% get only $16 a month. The average household gets $281 a month. The average individual gets about $133 a month.

Would you quit work or refuse a job for $133 a month which can only be used to buy food?

Myth #3: Food stamps make people “dependent.”

Rep. Mike Cramer (R-N.D.) recently served up an example of right-wing mythology, saying that food stamps are responsible for “a culture of permanent dependency.”

The right-wing Heritage Foundation and others constantly harp on this idea that democracies providing government services for people makes them “dependent”—as if people are squirrels who will lose the ability to find their own food in the wild.

This idea that government services make people “dependent” is an insult to people, democracy and civilization. Does the government service of bringing water to your house make you dependent on not taking a bucket down to the stream or something? Does a road make you dependent on not walking your donkey through the woods to town? Do police and courts make you “dependent” on not having good swordsmanship or carrying a large club?

If anyone is “dependent,” it is corporations that pay so little their employees have to come to the taxpayers for help buying food for their families.

 

[billyerock1991]

are you for real??? really are you????

answer to your first question is the easiest one of all ... if your state takes the ACA to their state, those who can't afford it go on Medicaid and are covered 100% thats the way its set up ... I realize you never really looked at the ACA plan cause this is the stupidest question you've asked ...

Actually this is the second stupidest question you have asked ... heres how we stop the cost going up ... all states that hasn't accepted the ACA plan, cause their republican governor refuses to accept it, is forced to accept it ... mcost goes down ... next stupid question???

yes I agree Obama care could have been done much better ... the fact that they allowed states to opt out of the ACA was their biggest mistake in the ACA ...so the first thing they could do is stop republican governors from opting out of the ACA ... problems solved ...

State Governors aren't accepting it because they don't want to be saddled with the bill for it once the REAL costs kick in...you know the costs that Barry, Harry and Nancy lied about to get this mess passed in the first place?

the reason governors won't accept it, it will could cause it to fail .. as soon as you get a democrat for governor he will accept it ... then your problem is that you will have, is you will see how much better it is and how much cheaper it is and they don't want that ...

The state of Ky....was a model for the ACA because so many signed up for it and the state actually lowered its cost of healthcare....but white people so stupid, so hatin on the black guy in the white house, voted for a Tea Party nut and now these sorry fucks are all running around with their fingers stuck up their ass cause dude is forcing the out.....why? Because the dumb hicks, thought Obamacare and ACA were two different things...that's how stupid white people are in this country and how blind they are to FACTS!!

the other day I saw a white woman at a trump rally, this is a little of subject, with a souther accent ... she said when trump is elected he will throw out those people in congress to get work done ...I just shook my head

Black unemployment is twice as high as that of whites, 1 1/2 times that of hispanic, and 2 1/3 times greater than Asians yet blacks voted for a black President. Blacks receive food stamps at a rate of 1 out of every 3 1/2 yet they voted for a black President. Looks like to me that they aren't very smart.

Average IQ comparing blacks and whites shows a 15 point difference. Those are facts. Maybe that's why blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democrats. They aren't smart enough to figure out Democrats want them on the plantation.

OH and theres more....

Myth #4: Food stamps are about politicians “buying votes” with other people’s money.

Amplifying the “dependency” argument, conservatives disparage democracy by saying that elected officials “buy votes” by providing food to hungry people—and other government services.

The Christian Post has an example, in “Signing Up Seniors for Food Stamps Is Called ‘Buying Votes’ for Obama, Says Fox News Host.” The story reports that Fox News’ Stuart Varney says, “The AARP, huge support[er]s of President Obama, politically and financially, big supporters of Obamacare. And now they’re out there signing people up for food stamps. This is part of the buy-the-vote campaign. They’re really shifting America, changing what America really is,” he said.

Far-right Brietbart blasts, “HOW MANY VOTES WILL A 70% INCREASE IN FOOD STAMPS BUY?” Similarly the right-wing Washington Times says, “Food stamps for votes.”

The idea of a democracy is that people vote for the things they want, everyone has an equal vote, everyone pitches in and everyone shares in the resulting prosperity. Government spending in a democracy is, by definition, We the People doing things to make our lives better. But to conservatives, government doing things that make our lives better is just “buying votes.”

Myth #5: Food stamp recipients take drugs.

The Republican bill to cut food stamps also will “allow states to require food stamp recipients to be tested for drugs.”

Harold Pollack and Sheldon Danziger at the Washington Post look at this in “House Republicans want drug tests for food-stamp recipients. There’s no good reason for that.” They write, “Using 2011 data from the National Survey of Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), we looked at the behaviors and circumstances of adults ages 18-64 whose households received SNAP. We examined whether respondents had used some illicit substance during the previous month or year. We then looked at whether they met screening criteria for abuse or dependence on alcohol or illicit drugs.”

They found a slightly higher illicit drug use among food stamp recipients. But if you correct for the demographics of people who will be on the program compared to the population at large, that slight risk gets even slighter.

So a few more people on food stamps use some drugs than people not on food stamps. Does this warrant testing everyone? Or is it about further humiliating people who aren’t rich? And why should smoking pot exclude someone from getting food stamps, anyway?

Myth #6: People use food stamps to buy cigarettes and alcohol.

Conservatives have widely circulated stories about people using food stamps to buy cigarettes and alcohol. The Blaze trumpets stories like, “THIS 65-YEAR-OLD CLERK WAS FIRED FOR REFUSING TO SELL CIGARETTES TO A FOOD STAMP CUSTOMER” and outlets like Fox echo it. These kinds of stories are everywhere in the right-wing echo chamber.

Here are the facts: According to USDA, households may use food stamps to buy foods, such as breads and cereals; fruits and vegetables; meats, fish and poultry; and dairy products. Also they can buy seeds and plants which produce food to eat. (In some areas, restaurants can be authorized to accept SNAP benefits from qualified homeless, elderly, or disabled people in exchange for low-cost meals.)

Households may not use food stamps to buy beer, wine, liquor, cigarettes or tobacco; pet foods; soaps, paper products; household supplies; vitamins and medicines; food that will be eaten in the store; hot foods.

So here we are in the worst economy in many decades. It’s more than difficult to find a job. Wages are actually falling for 95% of us. We have the highest income and wealth inequality since just before the depression.

Meanwhile, according to the National Priorities Project the government is handing over $1 trillion a year to the wealthiest and corporations in the form of “tax expenditures.” Then there is that $450 billion a year that the IRS just fails to collect. The corporate foreign-income tax “deferral” has corporations holding as much as $2 trillion of taxable income outside the country. And hedge-fund managers making into the billions each year still get their Romney-style tax breaks.

Yet Republicans are picking on the poorest citizens, lying and smearing them as lazy druggies and blaming them for the high unemployment by saying that $133 a month is keeping them from bothering to look for a job. Why do we put up with this?