Hillary Clinton Pushing U.S. Backed No-Fly Zone In Libya: Yea or Nay?...

[Avorysuds]

Does Hillary Clinton have this one right? Should the U.S. enforce a No-Fly Zone in Libya? I'm interested in hearing what you all think. Thanks.

NO!


I think we are too broke to fly.

I agree, this won't help at all anyways. Their contry will figure it out and if we help and things suck they will just blame us.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yay, and again I say...YAY!!!

Its high time for Khadaffi to go down...in flames.

He's going to end up being exiled and/or hanged for his crimes.

All under Obama's no-nonsense watch.

So now you support Americans dying to rid the world of an evil dictator.

you do know that from now on you can't say jackshit about Bush getting Saddam right?

How many Americans died in the Balkans?

That's the model for this.

Very strict and limited victory conditions.

yeah, they just got busy killing each other up close and personal.

did someone ask for help?

 

[Sallow]

Hmm? More Yeas than i thought i would see. Interesting.

I'm floored that Marc and Sallow want war.

Do you 2 think it will stop at air support?

Yes.

Q/K/Gadaffi and his followers are cowards.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hmm? More Yeas than i thought i would see. Interesting.

I'm floored that Marc and Sallow want war.

Do you 2 think it will stop at air support?

Actually, it probably would stop at air support.

Why? Simple........Bush Jr. had a vendetta against Saddam.

Obama doesn't have one against Khaddafi.

 

[Two Thumbs]

So long as these things effect our economy, they're our fight. We have to fight these battles until some Genius realizes that Oil isn't the only source of energy in the world.

good lord

Think deeply about what you just said. And ask yourself; Where's oil and dictators standing on it?

Iran, Saudi Arabia, at least 3 shit holes in Africa, Mexico.

You wanna war for oil? ready for a no fuckin around world war?

then; What about diamonds, gold, silver, uranium, etc, etc?

No, we stay out of this like we promised we would over 200 years ago.
Like Arabs have begged us to, again and again to the point they started killing us for "helping" them.

Conversely, you re-read my post and "think about what I just said."

Is this or is this not effecting our economy?

Alright then.

so killing is ok as long as it saves us a buck or two at the pumps.

no thanks

I'd rather not be the person that goes to the Jones house and explains to them thier son died in action, but look on the bright side, milk is still just $3/gal.

 

[G.T.]

good lord

Think deeply about what you just said. And ask yourself; Where's oil and dictators standing on it?

Iran, Saudi Arabia, at least 3 shit holes in Africa, Mexico.

You wanna war for oil? ready for a no fuckin around world war?

then; What about diamonds, gold, silver, uranium, etc, etc?

No, we stay out of this like we promised we would over 200 years ago.
Like Arabs have begged us to, again and again to the point they started killing us for "helping" them.

Conversely, you re-read my post and "think about what I just said."

Is this or is this not effecting our economy?

Alright then.

so killing is ok as long as it saves us a buck or two at the pumps.

no thanks

I'd rather not be the person that goes to the Jones house and explains to them thier son died in action, but look on the bright side, milk is still just $3/gal.

Poor economies lead to Deaths, as well, and the precedent for our Country is to do exactly that.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Hmm? More Yeas than i thought i would see. Interesting.

I'm floored that Marc and Sallow want war.

Do you 2 think it will stop at air support?

Yes.

Q/K/Gadaffi and his followers are cowards.

He just passed out AK's to his civilian followers. We can't pick them out from the rebels.

Gadaffi knows he's dead it he doesn't win, cuz unlike the Egypt dictator, he's got no safe haven, so he might as well take as many as he can with him.

And NOTHING is more unifying than the Great Satan showing up.



look, it sucks that people are getting killed. If they ask, I would take my old ass over there and help.

I have a short list of things worth dying for, and

Freedom

is on that list.

Let them fight for it, let them die for it. So when generations from now, children will stand with pride knowing that the blood that pumps in their heart comes from hero's. And not from beggers that got lucky cuz the Great Satan took pity on them cuz it wanted oil.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Hmm? More Yeas than i thought i would see. Interesting.

I'm floored that Marc and Sallow want war.

Do you 2 think it will stop at air support?

Actually, it probably would stop at air support.

Why? Simple........Bush Jr. had a vendetta against Saddam.

Obama doesn't have one against Khaddafi.

yeah, and we had nothing against the North Vietnamese either when we sent in "adviesors".

 

[G.T.]

I'm floored that Marc and Sallow want war.

Do you 2 think it will stop at air support?

Yes.

Q/K/Gadaffi and his followers are cowards.

He just passed out AK's to his civilian followers. We can't pick them out from the rebels.

Gadaffi knows he's dead it he doesn't win, cuz unlike the Egypt dictator, he's got no safe haven, so he might as well take as many as he can with him.

And NOTHING is more unifying than the Great Satan showing up.



look, it sucks that people are getting killed. If they ask, I would take my old ass over there and help.

I have a short list of things worth dying for, and

Freedom

is on that list.

Let them fight for it, let them die for it. So when generations from now, children will stand with pride knowing that the blood that pumps in their heart comes from hero's. And not from beggers that got lucky cuz the Great Satan took pity on them cuz it wanted oil.

Well hey, maybe if Corporations saw people as people and not as $ signs,

or....maybe if we got the **** off of foreign oil to begin with

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know........getting off of oil would be the best solution.......

Besides, we've got electric cars, and there is talk now of installing free trickle stations to charge your car, or a faster charger that costs you a couple of bucks.

We've got the technology, we've got the ability.............but we can't get the big corporations to see that. Wanna know why? They got so comfortable raking in cash with gas that they never bothered to think about things like this happening, so therefore, they never invested in other sources of energy.

They're afraid, because they know they have to change, but because they're so greedy, they never did.

And another thing.........did you know that the Model A Ford when it was first introduced got around 25 miles per gallon?

Now? You're lucky if you get a car that matches that.

 

[G.T.]

You know........getting off of oil would be the best solution.......

Besides, we've got electric cars, and there is talk now of installing free trickle stations to charge your car, or a faster charger that costs you a couple of bucks.

We've got the technology, we've got the ability.............but we can't get the big corporations to see that. Wanna know why? They got so comfortable raking in cash with gas that they never bothered to think about things like this happening, so therefore, they never invested in other sources of energy.

They're afraid, because they know they have to change, but because they're so greedy, they never did.

And another thing.........did you know that the Model A Ford when it was first introduced got around 25 miles per gallon?

Now? You're lucky if you get a car that matches that.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yes.

Q/K/Gadaffi and his followers are cowards.

He just passed out AK's to his civilian followers. We can't pick them out from the rebels.

Gadaffi knows he's dead it he doesn't win, cuz unlike the Egypt dictator, he's got no safe haven, so he might as well take as many as he can with him.

And NOTHING is more unifying than the Great Satan showing up.



look, it sucks that people are getting killed. If they ask, I would take my old ass over there and help.

I have a short list of things worth dying for, and

Freedom

is on that list.

Let them fight for it, let them die for it. So when generations from now, children will stand with pride knowing that the blood that pumps in their heart comes from hero's. And not from beggers that got lucky cuz the Great Satan took pity on them cuz it wanted oil.

Well hey, maybe if Corporations saw people as people and not as $ signs,

or....maybe if we got the **** off of foreign oil to begin with

This is off topic.

Corps do not see people as $ only. That's retarded
You want off foreign oil? Then we have to drill here. No other way to do that in under 20 years.

 

[Dr.Drock]

We should do this because the situation affects our economy? Wow, should we go to war with China because their cheap labor is affecting our economy? Face-to-palm, aye aye aye.

What gives us the authority? What makes people think we can financially afford this? Why should we put americans in harm's way? Why not use our sources to secure OUR borders and OUR ports rather than waste it protecting someone else's area?

In other words: NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[G.T.]

He just passed out AK's to his civilian followers. We can't pick them out from the rebels.

Gadaffi knows he's dead it he doesn't win, cuz unlike the Egypt dictator, he's got no safe haven, so he might as well take as many as he can with him.

And NOTHING is more unifying than the Great Satan showing up.



look, it sucks that people are getting killed. If they ask, I would take my old ass over there and help.

I have a short list of things worth dying for, and

Freedom

is on that list.

Let them fight for it, let them die for it. So when generations from now, children will stand with pride knowing that the blood that pumps in their heart comes from hero's. And not from beggers that got lucky cuz the Great Satan took pity on them cuz it wanted oil.

Well hey, maybe if Corporations saw people as people and not as $ signs,

or....maybe if we got the **** off of foreign oil to begin with

This is off topic.

Corps do not see people as $ only. That's retarded
You want off foreign oil? Then we have to drill here. No other way to do that in under 20 years.

I disagree. And drilling here wouldn't take us off foreign oil, either.

 

[G.T.]

We should do this because the situation affects our economy? Wow, should we go to war with China because their cheap labor is affecting our economy? Face-to-palm, aye aye aye.

What gives us the authority? What makes people think we can financially afford this? Why should we put americans in harm's way? Why not use our sources to secure OUR borders and OUR ports rather than waste it protecting someone else's area?

In other words: NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, we need to make it so that things like this in such an unstable region DONT effect our economy, instead of trying to "fix" the instability.

 

[Sallow]

So now you support Americans dying to rid the world of an evil dictator.

you do know that from now on you can't say jackshit about Bush getting Saddam right?

How many Americans died in the Balkans?

That's the model for this.

Very strict and limited victory conditions.

yeah, they just got busy killing each other up close and personal.

did someone ask for help?

Oh gosh..it was the beginning of another holocaust. It was stopped. President George W. Bush went to Croatia to soak up the glory after that. And he was met with warm approval.

It's not in the interest of Europe or the United States that Libya become a rogue state. And it's in the best interest of human rights that a bloodbath be averted.

I'm not against the use of force. I am against the use of force for stupid reasons.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Aggressive Foreign Interventionism is something i see Socialists/Progressives & Neocons routinely agreeing on. Most on both sides like to pretend they're so different...but are they?

 

[Two Thumbs]

You know........getting off of oil would be the best solution.......agreed. it should only take about 20 years to do so.

Besides, we've got electric cars, and there is talk now of installing free trickle stations to charge your car, No such thing as free. There will at least be a tax or toll. or a faster charger that costs you a couple of bucks. built from plastic (that's made from oil) and lithium (that we have to get from?)

We've got the technology, we've got the ability.............but we can't get the big corporations to see that. Wanna know why? elec cars have limited power and speed, so few want to drive them. They got so comfortable raking in cash with gas that they never bothered to think about things like this happening, so therefore, they never invested in other sources of energy. Actually some have, the rest learned from thier mistake. T Bone Pickens comes to mind as someone that lost Billions.

They're afraid, because they know they have to change, but because they're so greedy, they never did. Yes, greed, they like to write pay checks instead of pink slips.

And another thing.........did you know that the Model A Ford when it was first introduced got around 25 miles per gallon? Did you know that Ford said you could get it in any color you wanted as long as it was black.

Now? You're lucky if you get a car that matches that.

My van comes close.

This is off topic though.

 

[Sallow]

Aggressive Foreign Interventionism is something i see Socialists/Progressives & Neocons routinely agreeing on. Most on both sides like to pretend they're so different...but are they?

Erm..I count myself as a Liberal.

And I am not in favor of giving terrorists yet another base of operations. Additionally there are strong economic interests to be considered.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Aggressive Foreign Interventionism is something i see Socialists/Progressives & Neocons routinely agreeing on. Most on both sides like to pretend they're so different...but are they?

Erm..I count myself as a Liberal.

And I am not in favor of giving terrorists yet another base of operations. Additionally there are strong economic interests to be considered.

Sounds Neocon-ish. Just my opinion though.