Hillary Clinton: Hamas Operates in Civilian Areas Because Gaza is a Small Place

[JoeB131]

Hamas uses their civilians as a meat shield as they continue to instigate and terrorize Israel.

Both sides are throwing shit into the fan.

No. Hamas is throwing shit into the fan and Israel, as a sovereign nation, is responding after having demonstrated enormous amounts of patience and restraint with an intractable foe that has genocide anchored into it's founding documents: Hamas.

Hamas does this every 2 to 3 years and gets it's nose bloodied every single time.

Yeah, but they keep coming back every 2-3 years. The Israelis blow up hospitals and schools and their reputation takes a real dump in most of the rest of the world, and at the end of the day, Hamas is still in charge of Gaza.

Bibi overplayed his hand on this one.

 

[jillian]

[MENTION=3135]jillian[/MENTION] [MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]


The genus of Hillary Clinton...

Speaking to journalist Jorge Ramos yesterday, Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton suggested that Hamas operates in civilian populated areas in Gaza because it's "pretty small."

"The problem is, and this is something, I'm not a military planner but Hamas puts its missiles, its rockets in civilian areas, part of it is that Gaza's pretty small and it's very densely populated. They put their command and control of Hamas military leaders in those civilian areas," Clinton said.

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@Jillian


Why should I have all the fun alone?

@Statistikhengst

you dispatched him well. i'm just amused and bemused watching.

 

[JoeB131]

Must suck when schools for children are the only good spots to store ones inventory of rockets. We need to let more Islamic terrorists immigrate to America where they will have more room and assets to set up. Why should we only be letting millions of illegal south Americans in when we have enough room and money to save everyone on the planet?

Or we can just relocate the Zionists to Florida. It will probably take a few decades before they piss off everyone there so badly they'll be strapping bombs to themselves to get rid of them like the Palestinians are.

Okay, serious answer time. Bibi used these three dead teens as an excuse to go after Hamas, but Hamas has been preparing for this for a long time with tunnels. So the Zionists have pretty much made themselves look horrible around the world.

There you could not possibly be more wrong, but enjoy your weird fantasies. Maybe add the planet Kolob to them as well.

I usually agree with you on most stuff, but if we were talking about any other country where settlers from Europe were treating the indigenous people of the place they settled like second class citizens, you and most other liberals would be screaming the loudest.

So why do the Israelis get a special pass?

Is Religious Apartheid really better than Racial Apartheid?

Israel is not winning this thing. THis is pretty much the Tet Offensive. Yeah, you are beating them militarily, but you are taking an absolute bath in the press.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Or we can just relocate the Zionists to Florida. It will probably take a few decades before they piss off everyone there so badly they'll be strapping bombs to themselves to get rid of them like the Palestinians are.

Okay, serious answer time. Bibi used these three dead teens as an excuse to go after Hamas, but Hamas has been preparing for this for a long time with tunnels. So the Zionists have pretty much made themselves look horrible around the world.

There you could not possibly be more wrong, but enjoy your weird fantasies. Maybe add the planet Kolob to them as well.

I usually agree with you on most stuff, but if we were talking about any other country where settlers from Europe were treating the indigenous people of the place they settled like second class citizens, you and most other liberals would be screaming the loudest.

So why do the Israelis get a special pass?

Is Religious Apartheid really better than Racial Apartheid?

Israel is not winning this thing. THis is pretty much the Tet Offensive. Yeah, you are beating them militarily, but you are taking an absolute bath in the press.

They aren't. And this isn't Apartheid. This is a sovereign state defending itself against terrorists.

There is no religious apartheid in Eretz Yisrael. You are deceiving yourself. Arabs and Muslims who live in Israel and have citizenship have all the rights as any other citizens. There are Arabs in the Knesset. And there are Arabs serving in the IDF.

No country anywhere else in the world would have shown as much restraint and patience as Israel has shown.

No one is winning this thing because as I already noted, Hamas pulls this shit every 2-3 years and gets it's nose bloodied. I fully expect it to happen again in October, 2016. Unless of course Israel finally eradicates every single Hamas terrorist - a tall order.

 

[Statistikhengst]

No, it isn't, since she's explaining why war is hell and why innocents die at the hands of the Zionist squatters.

Yes it is because she is stating the obvious that only the most sadly uninformed don't know and aren't worth trying to inform and your childish use of language like Zionist squatters only weakens your point which was weak to start with.

Most of the world agrees with my point, that the Zionists are the Nazis of the Middle East. Were it not for us, they would have already been back in the history books, where they belong.

No, we are not. Thank you for playing. Next time, bring some real facts with you.

 

[JoeB131]

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They aren't. And this isn't Apartheid. This is a sovereign state defending itself against terrorists.

There is no religious apartheid in Eretz Yisrael. You are deceiving yourself. Arabs and Muslims who live in Israel and have citizenship have all the rights as any other citizens. There are Arabs in the Knesset. And there are Arabs serving in the IDF.

No country anywhere else in the world would have shown as much restraint and patience as Israel has shown.

No one is winning this thing because as I already noted, Hamas pulls this shit every 2-3 years and gets it's nose bloodied. I fully expect it to happen again in October, 2016. Unless of course Israel finally eradicates every single Hamas terrorist - a tall order.

I think you are glossing over how Palestinians are discriminated against in the "Occupied Territories".

Settlements. Check points. Going into people's houses and demolishing them? This is what a "democracy" does?

Should point out that South Africa had privileged blacks as well. It didn't make it any less of an Apartheid state.

 

[Rocko]

Hamas uses their civilians as a meat shield as they continue to instigate and terrorize Israel.

Both sides are throwing shit into the fan.

No. Hamas is throwing shit into the fan and Israel, as a sovereign nation, is responding after having demonstrated enormous amounts of patience and restraint with an intractable foe that has genocide anchored into it's founding documents: Hamas.

Hamas does this every 2 to 3 years and gets it's nose bloodied every single time.

Yeah, but they keep coming back every 2-3 years. The Israelis blow up hospitals and schools and their reputation takes a real dump in most of the rest of the world, and at the end of the day, Hamas is still in charge of Gaza.

Bibi overplayed his hand on this one.

Hamas does keep coming back, and therein lies the problem. If Israel chooses to eliminate Hamas from the equation then that might open the door to finally ending this conflict. I doubt Israel will do it, but IMO they should. As far as Hamas wining the propaganda war, they always do. How much has it really helped them over years? Not much. How much has Israel been hurt by losing it? Not much. As far as the US and what we should do, is support Israel in taking out Hamas once and for all. Us pressuring them into a ceasefire is really pointless and counterproductive if this is just going to continue to happen again and again in the near future. Of course we will continue to apply pressure on Israel and effectively not let them win their war against a terrorist organization, and I don't blame Obama for that because that's always been how America has handled the situation.

In any case you're a ******* moron.

 

[JoeB131]

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Hamas does keep coming back, and therein lies the problem. If Israel chooses to eliminate Hamas from the equation then that might open the door to finally ending this conflict. I doubt Israel will do it, but IMO they should. As far as Hamas wining the propaganda war, they always do. How much has it really helped them over years? Not much. How much has Israel been hurt by losing it? Not much. As far as the US and what we should do, is support Israel in taking out Hamas once and for all. Us pressuring them into a ceasefire is really pointless and counterproductive if this is just going to continue to happen again and again in the near future. Of course we will continue to apply pressure on Israel and effectively not let them win their war against a terrorist organization, and I don't blame Obama for that because that's always been how America has handled the situation.

In any case you're a ******* moron.

The problem is, you want to pretend Hamas isn't the mood of the Palestinian people.

When this is all over, and the IDF retreats out of Gaza with its tail between its legs, Hamas will be just as popular amongst the Palestinians as it ever was.

So short of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank, there really isn't much the Zionists can do.

The Arabs are reproducing at a faster rate than the Zionists are, and a lot of Zionists would just as soon move to America or Europe where people aren't trying to blow you up every day.

The insanity is living next to people who want to kill you because a Magic Sky Fairy said so.

 

[Statistikhengst]

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They aren't. And this isn't Apartheid. This is a sovereign state defending itself against terrorists.

There is no religious apartheid in Eretz Yisrael. You are deceiving yourself. Arabs and Muslims who live in Israel and have citizenship have all the rights as any other citizens. There are Arabs in the Knesset. And there are Arabs serving in the IDF.

No country anywhere else in the world would have shown as much restraint and patience as Israel has shown.

No one is winning this thing because as I already noted, Hamas pulls this shit every 2-3 years and gets it's nose bloodied. I fully expect it to happen again in October, 2016. Unless of course Israel finally eradicates every single Hamas terrorist - a tall order.

I think you are glossing over how Palestinians are discriminated against in the "Occupied Territories".

Settlements. Check points. Going into people's houses and demolishing them? This is what a "democracy" does?

Should point out that South Africa had privileged blacks as well. It didn't make it any less of an Apartheid state.

Really?

lol...

 

[Rocko]

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Hamas does keep coming back, and therein lies the problem. If Israel chooses to eliminate Hamas from the equation then that might open the door to finally ending this conflict. I doubt Israel will do it, but IMO they should. As far as Hamas wining the propaganda war, they always do. How much has it really helped them over years? Not much. How much has Israel been hurt by losing it? Not much. As far as the US and what we should do, is support Israel in taking out Hamas once and for all. Us pressuring them into a ceasefire is really pointless and counterproductive if this is just going to continue to happen again and again in the near future. Of course we will continue to apply pressure on Israel and effectively not let them win their war against a terrorist organization, and I don't blame Obama for that because that's always been how America has handled the situation.

In any case you're a ******* moron.

The problem is, you want to pretend Hamas isn't the mood of the Palestinian people.

When this is all over, and the IDF retreats out of Gaza with its tail between its legs, Hamas will be just as popular amongst the Palestinians as it ever was.

So short of ethnically cleansing the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank, there really isn't much the Zionists can do.

The Arabs are reproducing at a faster rate than the Zionists are, and a lot of Zionists would just as soon move to America or Europe where people aren't trying to blow you up every day.

The insanity is living next to people who want to kill you because a Magic Sky Fairy said so.

The Arabs particularly in Gaza, not as much in the West Bank, are Hamas supporters. Yes hearts and minds do need to change amongst the Palestinian population, and we can only be hopeful over time they do, but I don't see that as possible with Hamas continually fueling the hate. The Arabs reproducing at a hire rate is an irrelevant taking point. Palestinians aren't the only Arabs that want Israel destroyed, as you know in Middle East the Arab population dwarfs that of the Jewish population and Israel still lives on. Not everyone chooses to live in Israel because they're religious, most live there to be with their people.

 

[JoeB131]

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The Arabs particularly in Gaza, not as much in the West Bank, are Hamas supporters. Yes hearts and minds do need to change amongst the Palestinian population, and we can only be hopeful over time they do, but I don't see that as possible with Hamas continually fueling the hate. The Arabs reproducing at a hire rate is an irrelevant taking point. Palestinians aren't the only Arabs that want Israel destroyed, as you know in Middle East the Arab population dwarfs that of the Jewish population and Israel still lives on. Not everyone chooses to live in Israel because they're religious, most live there to be with their people.

Hearts and minds? Where have I heard that one before?

Oh, yeah, it was what we were trying to win in Vietnam when we weren't dropping napalm on them and raping their women!

The only reason why Israel isn't pushed off the map is because it has nukes. So they'll just wait for demagraphics to do the hard work.

A two-state solution maybe buys the Zionists time.

 

[Rocko]

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The Arabs particularly in Gaza, not as much in the West Bank, are Hamas supporters. Yes hearts and minds do need to change amongst the Palestinian population, and we can only be hopeful over time they do, but I don't see that as possible with Hamas continually fueling the hate. The Arabs reproducing at a hire rate is an irrelevant taking point. Palestinians aren't the only Arabs that want Israel destroyed, as you know in Middle East the Arab population dwarfs that of the Jewish population and Israel still lives on. Not everyone chooses to live in Israel because they're religious, most live there to be with their people.

Hearts and minds? Where have I heard that one before?

Oh, yeah, it was what we were trying to win in Vietnam when we weren't dropping napalm on them and raping their women!

The only reason why Israel isn't pushed off the map is because it has nukes. So they'll just wait for demagraphics to do the hard work.

A two-state solution maybe buys the Zionists time.

I'm not saying Israel needs to change the hearts and minds of the Palestinian people. I'm saying the Palestinians need to do it themselves. Just like America has done it in the past. Do you really think Palestinian culture is conducive towards a healthy society? The problem is the Arabs hate Jews more than they love their children. So the only way to deal with that, if you're the Jews is to kill your enemies most hateful and powerful element, and that's Hamas. Even that might not work. Hamas could possibly be replaced by a group just as hateful, and Israel might need to take out that group as well, but the bottom line is IMO there's no hope for any kind of change whatsoever as long as a group like Hamas is in charge.

 

[SAYIT]

Well, [MENTION=25505]Jroc[/MENTION], hate to bust your bubble, but essentially, Hillary Clinton is right.

Gaza City is only 17 sq miles in size and has, according to latest estimates, just a little more than 500,000 inhabitants.

Gaza City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

New York City, on the other hand, is 469 square miles (or 27.6 times larger than Gaza) and has between 20 - 23 million inhabitants.

New York City - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But it's not just the size, it' the construction. Streets tend to be narrower and things are generally much closer to each other, making it much harder to absolute pinpoint accuracy.

Now, if you think that comparing to NYC is not fair, let's compare Gaza City to Tel Aviv:

Tel Aviv is only 20 square miles, comparable in land size to Gaza City, but it houses 1.3 million people and springs to 3.5 million when you include the metro area.

Tel Aviv - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, yes, compared to any really large city in the world, and even compared to Tel Aviv, Gaza City is "pretty small".

So, your problem with this?

Next time, do your homework and see that there was nothing silly about what Hillary Clinton said. Factually, she is actually quite correct.

[MENTION=3135]jillian[/MENTION]

[MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]

Wow your way too smart for me Kinda funny Hillary didn't mention Hamas purposely placing weapons in peoples homes and also forcing people to stay in the line of fire, but what are these minor details to a leftist ideologue. all that matters is the ideology, promoting and defending those who are like minded at the expense of reality...really very disappointing really is

But that is not what your OP complains about. Your OP complains about the fact that she mentioned that Gaza is "pretty small". So, now that I tore your argument to shreds, you move the goalposts, what?

Not so Stat and you know it. The OP illustrates Hillary's motherly attempt to explain or excuse Hamas actions. All-in-all wouldn't it be better for the Gazans they supposedly represent if Hamas stopped prosecuting their war against the Joooos from Gaza?

 

[Jroc]

[MENTION=46168]Statistikhengst[/MENTION]

Wow your way too smart for me Kinda funny Hillary didn't mention Hamas purposely placing weapons in peoples homes and also forcing people to stay in the line of fire, but what are these minor details to a leftist ideologue. all that matters is the ideology, promoting and defending those who are like minded at the expense of reality...really very disappointing really is

But that is not what your OP complains about. Your OP complains about the fact that she mentioned that Gaza is "pretty small". So, now that I tore your argument to shreds, you move the goalposts, what?

Not so Stat and you know it. The OP illustrates Hillary's motherly attempt to explain or excuse Hamas actions. All-in-all wouldn't it be better for the Gazans they supposedly represent if Hamas stopped prosecuting their war against the Joooos from Gaza?

He's too short sighted and self absorbed to see that... but what you gonna do

 

[Jarhead]

Hamas uses their civilians as a meat shield as they continue to instigate and terrorize Israel.

Both sides are throwing shit into the fan.

No. Hamas is throwing shit into the fan and Israel, as a sovereign nation, is responding after having demonstrated enormous amounts of patience and restraint with an intractable foe that has genocide anchored into it's founding documents: Hamas.

Hamas does this every 2 to 3 years and gets it's nose bloodied every single time.

Yeah, but they keep coming back every 2-3 years. The Israelis blow up hospitals and schools and their reputation takes a real dump in most of the rest of the world, and at the end of the day, Hamas is still in charge of Gaza.

Bibi overplayed his hand on this one.

I need to correct what you wrote that I bolded......because only children leave out important details....

It SHOULD read this way.....

'The Israelis blow up ammo depots and launching sites that are inhumanely placed in schools and hospitals by Hamas'

Now, you see how that clarifies why Israelis are unfortunately forced to take out civilian sites?

Now, if you lived in Buffalo New York and a radical Canadian group was launching rockets into your town....and you asked the Canadian government to make them stop, and they refuse...and in the meantime hundreds of rockets are being launched blindly into your town.....so the US government opted to take out the site but found out the site is a school....so the US government told you and your townees that you are on your own...and you watched your neighbors children die, your nieces and nephews die, your local school hit and hundreds of children die...and the only answer is for you to personally to launch rockets at the site.....

What would you do?

Don't answer. For your answer will likely be a lie.

 

[Rocko]

She's basically saying Hamas has no choice but to wage their war on Israel surrounded by civilians, which, of course, is preposterous. I don't care how densely populated the area is, you get civilians away from the crossfire. The size of Gaza is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[Jroc]

She's basically saying Hamas has no choice but to wage their war on Israel surrounded by civilians, which, of course, is preposterous. I don't care how densely populated the area is, you get civilians away from the crossfire. The size of Gaza is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

It's relevant to her because she's justifying

 

[SAYIT]

But that is not what your OP complains about. Your OP complains about the fact that she mentioned that Gaza is "pretty small". So, now that I tore your argument to shreds, you move the goalposts, what?

Not so Stat and you know it. The OP illustrates Hillary's motherly attempt to explain or excuse Hamas actions. All-in-all wouldn't it be better for the Gazans they supposedly represent if Hamas stopped prosecuting their war against the Joooos from Gaza?

He's too short sighted and self absorbed to see that... but what you gonna do

It's not easy to admit having taken a wrong ideological turn but Stat seems bright (and honest) enough to make the leap. Small steps...

 

[NYcarbineer]

She's basically saying Hamas has no choice but to wage their war on Israel surrounded by civilians, which, of course, is preposterous. I don't care how densely populated the area is, you get civilians away from the crossfire. The size of Gaza is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

So I guess if Hamas blows up an Israeli bus with an Israeli soldier on it, and he's killed along with 50 civilians,

that's not terrorism,

but fair play by Israeli standards?

 

[RKMBrown]

She's basically saying Hamas has no choice but to wage their war on Israel surrounded by civilians, which, of course, is preposterous. I don't care how densely populated the area is, you get civilians away from the crossfire. The size of Gaza is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

So I guess if Hamas blows up an Israeli bus with an Israeli soldier on it, and he's killed along with 50 civilians,

that's not terrorism,

but fair play by Israeli standards?

Republicans are domestic terrorists, Obama said so. People who scream islamic murder cries before killing American citizens, those people are merely innocent victims of republican oppression.