Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

[RetiredGySgt]

Not one liberal is going to "let this go." We're going to remind you that Hillary won the popular vote for the nest 4 years.

President '"***** grabber" elect does not have a mandate -- period.

Go right on ahead. We'll just remind you Trump won the EC vote. California doesn't get to determine the President with all their illegals voting. That's exactly why we have an EC, to shield the country from fraudulent states like CA.

I stand corrected "Waaah -- if we don't count California" is not the stupidest argument after all. THIS Is.

Not only "don't count California" but now there are phantom "illegal voters" that nobody has an iota of evidence for --- just an idea somebody made up, presumably translated from Macedonian.

I misunderestimated how pathetic you are.

What I understand is that the popular vote has NEVER been used to elect a President. Trump won YOU lost grow a pair and live with it.

 

[kaz]

Hillary Clintion Leads by 1.7 Million in Popular Vote. More than both JFK's and Carter's Victories

If the situation were reversed, you'd suddenly grasp that Hillary didn't run for the popular vote. You're just a liar, and a bad one at that

 

[boedicca]

Every picture tells a story:

Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

 

[kaz]

Not one liberal is going to "let this go." We're going to remind you that Hillary won the popular vote for the nest 4 years.

President '"***** grabber" elect does not have a mandate -- period.

Go right on ahead. We'll just remind you Trump won the EC vote. California doesn't get to determine the President with all their illegals voting. That's exactly why we have an EC, to shield the country from fraudulent states like CA.

I stand corrected "Waaah -- if we don't count California" is not the stupidest argument after all. THIS Is.

Not only "don't count California" but now there are phantom "illegal voters" that nobody has an iota of evidence for --- just an idea somebody made up, presumably translated from Macedonian.

I misunderestimated how pathetic you are.

The stupidest argument that that Hillary won the popular vote means anything when no one ran for the popular vote. Unless you're arguing that the old battle ax is so stupid that she did. Is that what you're arguing?

 

[Pogo]

If you're in a state "locked" either way -- an election like THIS ONE -- with 2 flawed candidates is the PERFECT opportunity to reject the Brand Name party choices and vote 3rd party. It's not about "winning" at that point. It's not about fear of the "other". It's about NOT rewarding the behavior that got us to choices of dynasties.

Agree throughout, and that's the one and *only* kind of power a locked-state voter has. And I've certainly done it, but the phrase "drop in the bucket" doesn't even begin to describe its powerlessness, unless you all can quote me how many votes Ralph Nader pulled in Louisiana in 2000. That's about the tiniest protest possible. Nobody but I even noticed it. It became effectively an act of self-indulgence for all the good it did.

This is systemic. It has to be weeded out as a system.

What more disenfranchising than the E-College in locked states or gerrymandering is the ARROGANCE of the minority party when they refuse to endorse or fund a candidate in your district or for Senate. These 2 parties collude to leave 12 to 15% of House/Senate races UNCONTESTED in the Generals. Which means they've totally abandoned up to 40% of the electorate. Start voting Independent or 3rd party when that happens. Don't leave the ballot blank. Make them PAY for their arrogance and collusion on "winning"..

Agreed, fine point. The whole process is completely arrogant. I just made that point about the states, where the Democrat doesn't bother to contest Utah and the Republican doesn't bother to contest Connecticut. And neither of them bothers to contest Alaska and Hawaìi, because those are already parceled out.

I've always likende the whole scam to puppet show where the puppets are dressed up in two different colors and we in the audience are not expected to figure out that they're all manipulated by the same puppetmaster who changes their costumes at will to keep the rabble 'entertained'.

 

[kaz]

If you're in a state "locked" either way -- an election like THIS ONE -- with 2 flawed candidates is the PERFECT opportunity to reject the Brand Name party choices and vote 3rd party. It's not about "winning" at that point. It's not about fear of the "other". It's about NOT rewarding the behavior that got us to choices of dynasties.

Agree throughout, and that's the one and *only* kind of power a locked-state voter has. And I've certainly done it, but the phrase "drop in the bucket" doesn't even begin to describe its powerlessness, unless you all can quote me how many votes Ralph Nader pulled in Louisiana in 2000. That's about the tiniest protest possible. Nobody but I even noticed it. It became effectively an act of self-indulgence for all the good it did.

This is systemic. It has to be weeded out as a system.

What more disenfranchising than the E-College in locked states or gerrymandering is the ARROGANCE of the minority party when they refuse to endorse or fund a candidate in your district or for Senate. These 2 parties collude to leave 12 to 15% of House/Senate races UNCONTESTED in the Generals. Which means they've totally abandoned up to 40% of the electorate. Start voting Independent or 3rd party when that happens. Don't leave the ballot blank. Make them PAY for their arrogance and collusion on "winning"..

Agreed, fine point. The whole process is completely arrogant. I just made that point about the states, where the Democrat doesn't bother to contest Utah and the Republican doesn't bother to contest Connecticut. And neither of them bothers to contest Alaska and Hawaìi, because those are already parceled out.

I've always likende the whole scam to puppet show where the puppets are dressed up in two different colors and we in the audience are not expected to figure out that they're all manipulated by the same puppetmaster who changes their costumes at will to keep the rabble 'entertained'.

Everyone has a vote for how their State votes. That people's votes count one way and not the other is a canard

 

[Pogo]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, 34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, .34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Once again in the United States the President is elected via the Electoral College not the popular vote, quit your whining and live with it.

 

[Pogo]

Not one liberal is going to "let this go." We're going to remind you that Hillary won the popular vote for the nest 4 years.

President '"***** grabber" elect does not have a mandate -- period.

Go right on ahead. We'll just remind you Trump won the EC vote. California doesn't get to determine the President with all their illegals voting. That's exactly why we have an EC, to shield the country from fraudulent states like CA.

I stand corrected "Waaah -- if we don't count California" is not the stupidest argument after all. THIS Is.

Not only "don't count California" but now there are phantom "illegal voters" that nobody has an iota of evidence for --- just an idea somebody made up, presumably translated from Macedonian.

I misunderestimated how pathetic you are.

What I understand is that the popular vote has NEVER been used to elect a President. Trump won YOU lost grow a pair and live with it.

What I understand is that you're an illiterate hacknoid. NONE of this is about any specific election, Princess. I've been on this same case with the same reasoning, for *years*, so cram it up your bunghole, stick a wick in it and light it on fire for the Fourth of July.

 

[boedicca]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, .34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Here's a little story about that: No.

The Progs are the ones trying to destroy the Electoral College and the integrity of our elections by crying up the False Issue of the Popular Vote. Therefore, analyzing the Poplular Vote is a perfectly valid response. If California had not allowed millions of illegal aliens to vote, then we can see what the result would have been.

 

[flacaltenn]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, 34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Did you catch the fact that your "solution" made the situation ever MORE "undemocratic" than the E-college is now?

A state that goes overwhelmingly for a blue candidate has to SHARE E-votes with the underachievers? That's gonna be a hard sell to take E-Votes from the 4 or 5 states that are huge and blue. I predict the left will mock and scorn you until the end of time for that "idea"...

 

[Camp]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

We aren't a democracy. We were never meant to be. Why is that so difficult to understand?

So what's the point of Election Day then?

Aye --- there's the rub.

This idiot Avatar is a lightweight who doesn't read anything and doesn't know anything. The founding fathers never made a distinction between a republic vs a democracy. They are indeed one and the same in the eyes of the founding fathers. The founding fathers never intended for the electoral college "majority" to override the popular vote majority except in extreme circumstances (such as a dangerous fanatic such as Trump becoming President. However, since Trump didn't win the popular vote, it's a moot point). The founding fathers wanted the electoral college voters to reflect the will of the people. In 2016, the will of the American people is Hillary Clinton for President.

No it isn't it is the "will" of a bunch of illegals in California. By the way I notice you ran away after I posted the facts of the NC districts.

You whiners keep saying that about illegal voters in California and elsewhere but haven't any actionable evidence to support what is obviously a prime example of "fake news", misinformation, and outright lying.

 

[Divine Wind]

Every picture tells a story:

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Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

Something the LWers don't want to admit: They strongly believe one state should dictate how the country should be run.

Modern Liberalism = Socialist Totalitarianism

 

[Pogo]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, 34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Did you catch the fact that your "solution" made the situation ever MORE "undemocratic" than the E-college is now?

A state that goes overwhelmingly for a blue candidate has to SHARE E-votes with the underachievers? That's gonna be a hard sell to take E-Votes from the 4 or 5 states that are huge and blue. I predict the left will mock and scorn you until the end of time for that "idea"...

Not sure I follow you here.
Of course a "blue" state would have to "share". EVERY state would. If you don't do that, you have the same slap-in-the-face we live under now. Something like six million people in California and New York voted for Rump, yet they will get *ZERO* representation from their state electors.

Somebody explain to me why that should be.

My state was a so-called "battleground" (< another bullshit term invented by the EC system) --- meaning it wasn't 'locked' or clear who was going to win it. As it turned out Rump won it narrowly ---- and yet my state is going to send all fifteen of its electors to vote for Rump, as if we were silly enough to vote unanimously. In a state that goes from ocean to Appalachia, urban, suburban and rural, we all voted for the same guy.

Somebody justify that for me. ANYBODY.

Again, I don't give a flying shit whether that benefits a "left" here or a "right" there. It's a fair and equitable system I'm after.

Anyway this is all staying within the context of having an Electrical College --- if you work within the system but apportion proportionally --- that's how it works out, i.e. 62% of 55 = 34. Simple math. And that is, given the recent results that we have, which are not necessarily the results we get if we knowingly run the election this way.

I don't follow how that makes it "more undemocratic" but following the suggestion some have made to have the electors vote in proportion -- that's the simple result. Of course my next question at that point immediately is ---- if you're going to send electors to vote the same way the people did............... then why do you even need them?

 

[hadit]

There are still over 3 million votes left to count in California. Therefore, Clinton's victory will be over 2 million votes, possibly over 3 million votes.

This is a sad time for democracy in the United States. We have to deal with the corrupt racist and misogynist bully Trump for at least 4 years because of some nonsense known as the electoral college, which no other democracy in the world is stupid enough to have.

It has been frustrating and downright embarrassing trying to explain to my non American friends how Trump won but Hilary had more votes.

We are a Republic, not a Democracy. The Electoral College was put into place because of the fear of the majority. The system has been in place for over 200 years and if we want to change it, then we need to change it. That said we are a nation of laws. We honor the system that is in place.

Ah, therein lies the rub. It is "too hard" to change the process, so we're instructed that we need to ignore it and just do whatever it takes to put a democrat in the White House.

 

[Pogo]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, .34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Here's a little story about that: No.

The Progs are the ones trying to destroy the Electoral College and the integrity of our elections by crying up the False Issue of the Popular Vote. Therefore, analyzing the Poplular Vote is a perfectly valid response. If California had not allowed millions of illegal aliens to vote, then we can see what the result would have been.

This is disappointing from you.

No Sprinkles, some magic fairy didn't just waft down and deposit three million "illegal votes" in California (but magically, nowhere else). That's your self-delusion talking. Some asshat wrote it on the internets -- BFD. That doesn't make it like a real thing.

 

[boedicca]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, .34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Here's a little story about that: No.

The Progs are the ones trying to destroy the Electoral College and the integrity of our elections by crying up the False Issue of the Popular Vote. Therefore, analyzing the Poplular Vote is a perfectly valid response. If California had not allowed millions of illegal aliens to vote, then we can see what the result would have been.

This is disappointing from you.

No Sprinkles, some magic fairy didn't just waft down and deposit three million "illegal votes" in California (but magically, nowhere else). That's your self-delusion talking. Some asshat wrote it on the internets -- BFD. That doesn't make it like a real thing.

B'loney. CA passed Motor Voter which enabled illegals to get valid drivers' licenses. There is no voter ID requirement at polling stations. CA's Obamacare service provides coverage for illegals. CA has de facto created a new standard of citizen by ignoring immigration status...for a big reason: The Very Very Rich Liberal Elites like the cheap labor.

 

[kaz]

Every picture tells a story:


Outside California, Clinton Is A Big-Time Popular Vote Loser

The phrase "outside California" continues to be invalid, and there is no way to make it valid. Because "outside California" -- "outside the Deep South" --- "outside the Midwest" etc etc etc --- are all "outside the definition of the United States". It's no different from "if we hadn't given up those six home runs in the fifth inning we win this game" --- whelp ... you DID give 'em up, and that's why you LOST. You don't get to pick and choose which parts of the game you like and discard the ones you don't. PERIOD.

Pop quiz --- in the phrase "United States of America" ---- what's the first word?

This is yet another attempt to divide and conquer. "Without this". "Without that". ******* bullshit.

Let California ---- and all states ---- send their vote proportionally to the will of the People. That gives, in this case at present count, 34 California EVs for Clinton and 19 for Rump. Stop dividing people up already.

Did you catch the fact that your "solution" made the situation ever MORE "undemocratic" than the E-college is now?

A state that goes overwhelmingly for a blue candidate has to SHARE E-votes with the underachievers? That's gonna be a hard sell to take E-Votes from the 4 or 5 states that are huge and blue. I predict the left will mock and scorn you until the end of time for that "idea"...

Not sure I follow you here.
Of course a "blue" state would have to "share". EVERY state would. If you don't do that, you have the same slap-in-the-face we live under now. Something like six million people in California and New York voted for Rump, yet they will get *ZERO* representation from their state electors.

Somebody explain to me why that should be.

My state was a so-called "battleground" (< another bullshit term invented by the EC system) --- meaning it wasn't 'locked' or clear who was going to win it. As it turned out Rump won it narrowly ---- and yet my state is going to send all fifteen of its electors to vote for Rump, as if we were silly enough to vote unanimously. In a state that goes from ocean to Appalachia, urban, suburban and rural, we all voted for the same guy.

Somebody justify that for me. ANYBODY.

Again, I don't give a flying shit whether that benefits a "left" here or a "right" there. It's a fair and equitable system I'm after.

Anyway this is all staying within the context of having an Electrical College --- if you work within the system but apportion proportionally --- that's how it works out, i.e. 62% of 55 = 34. Simple math. And that is, given the recent results that we have, which are not necessarily the results we get if we knowingly run the election this way.

No one needs to explain your strawman to you. No one said that everyone in North Carolina voted for Trump. Trump won the State, the State is voting for Trump. As a fellow North Carolinian, I voted for Johnson, I wasn't being represented either way. I'm not whining about it.

Again is makes zero difference that Hillary won the popular vote, no one ran on the popular vote so it's a non-sequitur to say that she would have won a popular vote election. Liberals just like to change the rules after you lost. Grow a pair and man up to Trump. I figure at least he's not Hillary. If Hillary won, I'd have figured at least she's not Trump ...

 

[hadit]

Tyranny of the minority! Yeah! America! **** Yeah!

You poor little guy. This is not new and if you want it changed, then you need to push for change. Crying because it didn't turn out the way you want it is pretty stupid.

Stop being ridiculous. Even you should be able to understand people's frustration with our process. Hillary's clobbering Trump in the national popular vote by over 2 million and growing, and you expect people to not be frustrated?

Their frustration springs from their lack of understanding of the rules of the game. "But we held the ball longer and racked up more yards. We should have won!!!" The only thing they can do is try to change the rules going forward, not apply changes retroactively.

 

[hadit]

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I notice that none of the agitators are urging that we audit California's vote counts to weed out illegal alien votes. If you want to make sure we got an accurate count, you have to include that.