Hillary and Margaret Sanger

[bodecea]

Sanger never said that.

wrong:

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Twisted words are another way to lie.

Interesting link.

Since so far not one of those quotes appears to be true

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

Here is the link to "Pivot of Civilization"
http://www.amazon.com/Pivot-Civiliz...4#reader_1406538604&tag=ff0d01-20?tag=usmb-20

The terms "human weeds', "reckless breeders" don't appear in the book.

Why do the opponents of Sanger- and birth control- lie about the issue?

Because they cannot use the truth. Rather, RWNJs have no use for the truth.

 

[bendog]

And harkening to Redfish's initial lie

“As early as 1914 Margaret Sanger was promoting abortion, not for white middle-class women, but against ‘inferior race’—black people, poor people, Slavs, Latins, and Hebrews were ‘human weeds.’”


This allegation about Margaret Sanger appears in an anonymous flyer, “Facts about Planned Parenthood,” that is circulated by anti-family planning activists. Margaret Sanger, who passionately believed in a woman’s right to control her body, never “promoted” abortion because it was illegal and dangerous throughout her lifetime. She urged women to use contraceptives so that they would not be at risk for the dangers of illegal, back alley abortion. Sanger never described any ethnic community as an “inferior race” or as “human weeds.”

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

The point is unchallengable by any honest person that Sanger had a very dismal view of blacks, Jews and Catholic ethnicities and saw the continued growth of those populations as a threat to the Protestant white ethnicities. She openly wanted minorities to use contraceptives and like any good Progressive of her time wanted their population growth to be curtailed by any means necessary.

She most certainly was not some multicultural idiot that embraced everyone and saw the reduction of whites as the primary goal of her programs; wuite the oppiste in fact.

And the results are there for anyone to see; Blacks commit abortion of their own at higher rates than whites.

Sanger won, and Hillary loves her for it, and blacks still support her like a bunch of stupid gullible morons.

So if birth control and abortion were not available to blacks, they'd be happier?

it's way to late to bring rationality to bear hear. LOL I'm done with this bullshit thread.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The point is unchallengable by any honest person that Sanger had a very dismal view of blacks, Jews and Catholic ethnicities and saw the continued growth of those populations as a threat to the Protestant white ethnicities. She openly wanted minorities to use contraceptives and like any good Progressive of her time wanted their population growth to be curtailed by any means necessary..

The point is unchallenged by anyone who refuses to read.

Margaret Sanger saw contraception as benefiting the poor most of all- because the wealthy could gain illegal access to contraception and didn't face the financial burden of raising children that they could not afford.

Like all good Progressives- she wanted to empower women to control their own bodies something Conservatives have always objected to.

Sanger opposed abortion until after World War 2 and then the organization she led changed their name and began supporting abortion as a means of limiting child births, that organization being Planned parenthood.
Abortion - A Liberal Cause? (Margaret Sanger and Eugenics)

Sanger was foremost a eugenicist.
Margaret Sanger’s Eugenic Legacy: Abortion and Planned Parenthood
When Clinton was questioned by legislators as to why she had accepted an award named after a confirmed eugenicist given her position in government, Clinton defended Sanger. She said that Thomas Jefferson was a great guy, but he supported the possession of slaves. Similarly, she posited, Sanger was a great woman who just had the little flaw of supporting forced sterilization and eugenics. Franks, as she is apt to do, took hold of the contradiction, clarifying that unlike Sanger, Jefferson did not dedicate his entire life to the slavery movement. Sanger dedicated the sum of her life’s work to furthering the eugenic cause, however.

Why not just quote the LORD GOD LOL

Straw Man arguments are like one trick pony's to you; its all you got.

Not at all. The OP began with an outright lie, and you've done nothing more than propagate it. Out.

Your only 'argument', is one were so kind as to generously call it that, is to mock religion and imply that all opposition to abortion is based on religion.

That is simply NOT the case as their are economic, demographic and political and legal arguments as well.

But you cannot engage in discussion on those topics, so you mark and now run away.

roflmao.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Another famous progressive of the time as Sanger's a fellow supporter of eugenics.

 

[paperview]

Jim Bowie, the radical birther, imagines readers don't know about his long history of racist posts and reveals.

Too bad, so sad -- we know.

 

[Syriusly]

And harkening to Redfish's initial lie

“As early as 1914 Margaret Sanger was promoting abortion, not for white middle-class women, but against ‘inferior race’—black people, poor people, Slavs, Latins, and Hebrews were ‘human weeds.’”


This allegation about Margaret Sanger appears in an anonymous flyer, “Facts about Planned Parenthood,” that is circulated by anti-family planning activists. Margaret Sanger, who passionately believed in a woman’s right to control her body, never “promoted” abortion because it was illegal and dangerous throughout her lifetime. She urged women to use contraceptives so that they would not be at risk for the dangers of illegal, back alley abortion. Sanger never described any ethnic community as an “inferior race” or as “human weeds.”

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

The point is unchallengable by any honest person that Sanger had a very dismal view of blacks, Jews and Catholic ethnicities and saw the continued growth of those populations as a threat to the Protestant white ethnicities. She openly wanted minorities to use contraceptives and like any good Progressive of her time wanted their population growth to be curtailed by any means necessary..

The point is unchallenged by anyone who refuses to read.

Margaret Sanger saw contraception as benefiting the poor most of all- because the wealthy could gain illegal access to contraception and didn't face the financial burden of raising children that they could not afford.

Like all good Progressives- she wanted to empower women to control their own bodies something Conservatives have always objected to.

Sanger opposed abortion until after World War 2 and then the organization she led changed their name and began supporting abortion as a means of limiting child births, that organization being Planned parenthood.r.

The point is unchallenged by anyone who refuses to read.

Margaret Sanger saw contraception as benefiting the poor most of all- because the wealthy could gain illegal access to contraception and didn't face the financial burden of raising children that they could not afford.

Like all good Progressives- she wanted to empower women to control their own bodies something Conservatives have always objected to

 

[Syriusly]

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

Hillary "I admire Margaret Sanger and the work she has done"

Do you get it, African americans? Do you understand?

Isnt it amazing how Hillary's base is the black vote and she has basically sung the praises of some of those that Adolf Hitler literally based his own eugenics programs on?

Why is it amazing that Clinton would praise a woman who was also praised by Martin Luther King Jr. and his wife Corretta Scott King?

 

[Syriusly]

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Sanger was foremost a eugenicist..

Sanger was foremost a woman's rights activist- and an advocate for the right to use contraceptives.

Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

• A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights
• Every person should decide when to have a child
• Every child should be wanted and loved
• Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

No wonder the Right Wing despises her.

 

[Syriusly]

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Besides that, you blithering idiot, we have far more pure blood Amerindians alive today than when Columbus arrived. This is solid proof of there having been no genocide, moron.
.

Sigh.

In North America there was little in the way of intentional genocide- most of the deaths were from disease spread accidentally. But certainly entire tribal groups were wiped out- intentionally. The sad story of Ishi is a good example of intentional attempts to exterminate localized native American groups.

Anyway- according to the 2010 census there were 2.9 'pure-blood Native Americans in the United States - and that is self reporting.

What was the Native American population in the United States when Columbus arrived?

No one knows exactly- but 2.9 would be at the lowest level of estimates.

Estimating the number of Native Americans living in what is today the United States of America before the arrival of the European explorers and settlers has been the subject of much debate. While it is difficult to determine exactly how many Natives lived in North America before Columbus,[38] estimates range from a low of 2.1 million (Ubelaker 1976) to 7 million people (Russell Thornton) to a high of 18 million (Dobyns 1983).[37]

Amerindians do not live exclusively in the USA dude. I was speaking of all the Americas, and the Latins were far more humane in their treatment than we were and so there are more Amerindians in latin nations in the Americas. But even in our case, we did not commit anything like a genocide and there are still Amerindian tribes that live east of the Mississippi and the Appalachians as well.

Well then provide numbers that support your case.

'we' didn't commit genocide because we weren't alive. As I mentioned by far the largest cause of the destruction of Native Americans was disease.

But yes there are enough examples of some Europeans and early Americans intentionally targeting local Amerindians with the specific intent of killing every man, woman of the tribe to call those specific attempts 'genocide'

 

[Syriusly]

Another famous progressive of the time as Sanger's a fellow supporter of eugenics.

Another famous progressive against Hitler and the Nazi's....

And the reality is that despite the fact that Sanger's anti-militarism and isolationism during the 1920s and 1930s at times obscured her abhorrence of the Nazis, she was deeply shocked and horrified by the evils and dangers of fascism, Hitler and the Nazi party. "All the news from Germany is sad & horrible," she wrote in 1933, "and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria." (MS to Edith How-Martyn, May 21, 1933 [MSM C2:536].) She joined the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda and "gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany." ("World War II and World Peace," 1940? [MSM S72:269].) For Hitler the feeling was mutual; in 1933 the Nazis burned Sanger's books along with those of Ellis, Freud, German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, and others. (Ellis to MS, Sept. 3, 1933 [LCM 3:385].)

 

[Redfish]

wrong:

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

Your quote isn't there.

I didn't get the wording exactly right, but her message is clear, Planned parenthood was designed to reduce the black birth rate by killing unborn black babies.

So you 'quote' isn't actually a quote- but your own words.

already explained

Exactly- you were caught in another lie when you claimed:

Margaret Sanger "Negroes are human weeds that must be eliminated"

already corrected that misquote. the words were wrong but her intent was exactly as I said.

 

[Redfish]

Margaret Sanger and the African American Community

Opponents of abortion promote myths and half-truths about Margaret Sanger in the African American community and elsewhere. This brief research summation is meant to dispel such falsified information distributed by those opposed to abortion and who are determined to distort her impressive historical legacy of enabling reproductive freedom for all women as a pioneering advocate for birth control.


Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

• A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights
• Every person should decide when to have a child
• Every child should be wanted and loved
• Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

No wonder Redfish is so anti-Sanger.....her core principles are the anti-thesis of Redfish's....

In 1942, she wrote again to Lasker, saying:

I think it is magnificent that we are in on the ground floor, helping Negroes to control their birth rate, to reduce their high infant and maternal death rate, to maintain better standards of health and living for those already born, and to create better opportunities for those who will be born (Sanger, 1942).

Interesting how you libs always leave out her quotes about inferior humans etc.

But believe what you like, the truth is not changeable according to your beliefs.

 

[Redfish]

So Redfish supports Trump because Trump is going to outlaw the use of contraception by black Americans?

Fascinating.

where do you get this shit? I never said or implied any such thing. You are an asshole and a fricken liar.

 

[Redfish]

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Sanger was foremost a eugenicist..

Sanger was foremost a woman's rights activist- and an advocate for the right to use contraceptives.

Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

• A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights
• Every person should decide when to have a child
• Every child should be wanted and loved
• Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

No wonder the Right Wing despises her.

where is the bullet point for the rights of the unborn human being?
and this one: every woman should have the right to kill an unborn child if its inconvenient to keep it.

liberals: get your rocks off whenever and wherever and with whoever you choose. then if you happen to get knocked up, kill it and move on to the next screw fest. because with liberals its all about me me me me, and whatever feels good at the moment. No responsibility, no morals, no ethics-------the liberal creed.

 

[bodecea]

Another famous progressive of the time as Sanger's a fellow supporter of eugenics.

Another famous progressive against Hitler and the Nazi's....

And the reality is that despite the fact that Sanger's anti-militarism and isolationism during the 1920s and 1930s at times obscured her abhorrence of the Nazis, she was deeply shocked and horrified by the evils and dangers of fascism, Hitler and the Nazi party. "All the news from Germany is sad & horrible," she wrote in 1933, "and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria." (MS to Edith How-Martyn, May 21, 1933 [MSM C2:536].) She joined the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda and "gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany." ("World War II and World Peace," 1940? [MSM S72:269].) For Hitler the feeling was mutual; in 1933 the Nazis burned Sanger's books along with those of Ellis, Freud, German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, and others. (Ellis to MS, Sept. 3, 1933 [LCM 3:385].)

Let's not forget that the Nazis make abortion illegal.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Margaret Sanger wanted to relieve the suffering of women by legalizing contraception. She had some misguided ideas that influenced the eugenics movement, but that doesn't mean she didn't make a valuable contribution to women's health.

Absolutely true.

Those who actually read her books learn that she went in cold water walk up flats in the worst tenements in NYC where she saw the worst situations possible. And she gave her life to improve the lot of women and children.

She was thrown out of the US for passing out "French letters" but she bought more and came back into the country and went right back to giving them out.

Note to PredFan

Future president Clinton isn't looking to give her a cabinet post.

 

[Redfish]

Margaret Sanger wanted to relieve the suffering of women by legalizing contraception. She had some misguided ideas that influenced the eugenics movement, but that doesn't mean she didn't make a valuable contribution to women's health.

Absolutely true.

Those who actually read her books learn that she went in cold water walk up flats in the worst tenements in NYC where she saw the worst situations possible. And she gave her life to improve the lot of women and children.

She was thrown out of the US for passing out "French letters" but she bought more and came back into the country and went right back to giving them out.

Note to PredFan

Future president Clinton isn't looking to give her a cabinet post.

Maybe you can find a room in Cinderella's castle. Then you could spend your entire life in fantasy land.

Sanger was a racist, deal with it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Another famous progressive of the time as Sanger's a fellow supporter of eugenics.

Another famous progressive against Hitler and the Nazi's....

And the reality is that despite the fact that Sanger's anti-militarism and isolationism during the 1920s and 1930s at times obscured her abhorrence of the Nazis, she was deeply shocked and horrified by the evils and dangers of fascism, Hitler and the Nazi party. "All the news from Germany is sad & horrible," she wrote in 1933, "and to me more dangerous than any other war going on any where because it has so many good people who applaud the atrocities & claim its right. The sudden antagonism in Germany against the Jews & the vitriolic hatred of them is spreading underground here & is far more dangerous than the aggressive policy of the Japanese in Manchuria." (MS to Edith How-Martyn, May 21, 1933 [MSM C2:536].) She joined the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda and "gave money, my name and any influence I had with writers and others, to combat Hitler's rise to power in Germany." ("World War II and World Peace," 1940? [MSM S72:269].) For Hitler the feeling was mutual; in 1933 the Nazis burned Sanger's books along with those of Ellis, Freud, German sexologist Magnus Hirschfeld, and others. (Ellis to MS, Sept. 3, 1933 [LCM 3:385].)

Let's not forget that the Nazis make abortion illegal.

And that RWNJ heroine Ayn Rand was a nazi sympathizer and believed in abortion on demand.

Back when LyingPaulRyan was running for veep and said he made all his staff read her lame ass books, I didn't see any of the RWNJs saying he should not be elected because of Rand's beliefs.

Just more of the usual RWNJ hypocrisy.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Margaret Sanger wanted to relieve the suffering of women by legalizing contraception. She had some misguided ideas that influenced the eugenics movement, but that doesn't mean she didn't make a valuable contribution to women's health.

Absolutely true.

Those who actually read her books learn that she went in cold water walk up flats in the worst tenements in NYC where she saw the worst situations possible. And she gave her life to improve the lot of women and children.

She was thrown out of the US for passing out "French letters" but she bought more and came back into the country and went right back to giving them out.

Note to PredFan

Future president Clinton isn't looking to give her a cabinet post.

Maybe you can find a room in Cinderella's castle. Then you could spend your entire life in fantasy land.

Sanger was a racist, deal with it.

Please post the link to where I said she was not.

Idiot.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

[
Sanger was foremost a eugenicist..

Sanger was foremost a woman's rights activist- and an advocate for the right to use contraceptives.

Margaret Sanger’s Core Principles

• A woman’s right to control her body is the foundation of her human rights
• Every person should decide when to have a child
• Every child should be wanted and loved
• Women deserve sexual pleasure and fulfillment

No wonder the Right Wing despises her.

where is the bullet point for the rights of the unborn human being?
and this one: every woman should have the right to kill an unborn child if its inconvenient to keep it.

liberals: get your rocks off whenever and wherever and with whoever you choose. then if you happen to get knocked up, kill it and move on to the next screw fest. because with liberals its all about me me me me, and whatever feels good at the moment. No responsibility, no morals, no ethics-------the liberal creed.

BS and off topic.

Unless you believe that birth control is killing babies.