High Court to decide on abortion case.

[Sunshine]

A fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is a human at a particular stage of development...as is an adult, an adolescent, a toddler, a child, and a baby.

Different ages, same human.

You’re at liberty to call it whatever you like.

But as a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a person entitled to Constitutional protections, where the privacy rights of the woman are paramount:

After analyzing the usage of "person" in the Constitution, the Court concluded that that word "has application only postnatally." Id., at 157. Commenting on the contingent property interests of the unborn that are generally represented by guardians ad litem, the Court noted: "Perfection of the interests involved, again, has generally been contingent upon live birth. In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." Id., at 162. Accordingly, an abortion is not "the termination of life entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection." Id., at 159. From this holding, there was no dissent, see id., at 173; indeed, no member of the Court has ever questioned this fundamental proposition. Thus, as a matter of federal constitutional law, a developing organism that is not yet a "person" does not have what is sometimes described as a "right to life."

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)

Way to lie about the holding of a case. That is not the holding that is just a blurb you threw in to make people think you know what you are talking about and you do not.

The plurality then overturned the formula used in Roe to weigh the woman's interest in obtaining an abortion against the State's interest in the life of the fetus. Continuing advancements in medical technology meant that at the time Casey was decided, a fetus might be considered viable at 22 or 23 weeks rather than at the 28 weeks that was more common at the time of Roe. The plurality recognized viability as the point at which the state interest in the life of the fetus outweighs the rights of the woman and abortion may be banned entirely "except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother".

Planned Parenthood v. Casey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The PP case recognized FETAL VIABILITY as the point at which the state has an interest in the life of the fetus except where necessary for preservation of the life or health of the mother.


And you did not link to the holding, butthead.

Now you may resume telling people the law is what you want it to be.

 

[koshergrl]

A fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is a human at a particular stage of development...as is an adult, an adolescent, a toddler, a child, and a baby.

Different ages, same human.

You’re at liberty to call it whatever you like.

But as a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a person entitled to Constitutional protections, where the privacy rights of the woman are paramount:

After analyzing the usage of "person" in the Constitution, the Court concluded that that word "has application only postnatally." Id., at 157. Commenting on the contingent property interests of the unborn that are generally represented by guardians ad litem, the Court noted: "Perfection of the interests involved, again, has generally been contingent upon live birth. In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." Id., at 162. Accordingly, an abortion is not "the termination of life entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection." Id., at 159. From this holding, there was no dissent, see id., at 173; indeed, no member of the Court has ever questioned this fundamental proposition. Thus, as a matter of federal constitutional law, a developing organism that is not yet a "person" does not have what is sometimes described as a "right to life."

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)

Lol...the courts don't dictate to me who a person is and who isn't. A fetus is a person. The courts are wrong, and people will look back on this period of time when babies are slaughtered wholesale, in horror.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

They have a right to their opinion, they don't have the right to get up close and insult a woman going to PP for some fucking birth control pills.

Actually, there is no right to go uninsulted.

But I would appreciate it if you'd post a video of that actually happening. I've passed these lines, and the protesters were kind, and smiling, and definitely not insulting.

The Massachusetts law that this case is about was written after anti-abortion protestors killed 2 employees of an abortion clinic.

I think murder is worse than a few insults.

The Massachusetts law merely expanded the free access zone from 7 feet to 35 feet.

That is far less than laws protecting the free access to funerals for military servicemen.

Do you people opposing this law believe the religious nuts who think soldiers are dying in wars because "God Hates Fags" should be allowed to protest as close as 7 feet to the mourners?

 

[koshergrl]

And these were picket line protesters?

Where's your link? Because I think you're lying. Mass killings are often commited by liberals. Shall we make liberalism illegal?

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

And these were picket line protesters?

Where's your link? Because I think you're lying. Mass killings are often commited by liberals. Shall we make liberalism illegal?

Nope. I never lie.

Abortion clinic buffer zones challenged in US supreme court | World news | theguardian.com

"The law was written in response to a shooting rampage that left 2 dead."

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Below are details of the Planned Parenthood Shootings in Massachusetts. The shooter was viewed as a hero by some anti-abortion nuts.

Planned Parenthood shootings[edit]On December 30, 1994, John Salvi walked into a Planned Parenthood clinic in Brookline, Massachusetts. He shot and killed receptionist Shannon Lowney. In the second attack security guard Richard Seron returned fire. Salvi then dropped a bag containing a second gun and 700 rounds of ammunition and fled. Police were able to identify him from a gun shop receipt in the abandoned bag.[1]

John Salvi was captured in Norfolk, Virginia, after another Planned Parenthood shooting. On March 19, 1996, he was found guilty of murdering receptionists Lee Ann Nichols and Shannon Lowney. After an unsuccessful defense strategy related to Salvi's mental state, he was convicted in both killings.

The shooting at the Hillcrest clinic, in Norfolk Virginia, was also a clinic picketed by Donald Spitz, a known supporter of anti-abortion terrorism. It was reported by the Boston Globe that Salvi had Spitz's name and unlisted phone number on his person at the time of his arrest.[2][3] Salvi was seen as a hero by some anti-abortionists in Norfolk, Virginia.[4] Spitz was never charged in connection with Salvi's activities. Spitz held a rally in support of Salvi outside of Norfolk City Jail.[5] Because of Spitz's support of Salvi, Spitz was told he was not welcome in Massachusetts.[6]

 

[koshergrl]

Spitz picketed, not Salvi. Salvi was just a nut.

And your source is crap.

There is a difference between harassing and picketing. If they are screaming at people, they should face arrest.

 

[koshergrl]

" A federal grand jury in Alexandria, Va., probing the violence concluded in January that there was no nationwide conspiracy to commit violence against abortion clinics or their personnel."

Washingtonpost.com: The Insanity Defense

There is zero evidence that he ever picketed outside the clinics.

 

[koshergrl]

And ps..Salvi was a liberal.

As well as schizophrenic:

"Several expert witnesses, including noted forensic psychiatrist Phillip J. Resnick, M.D., testified that Salvi exhibited schizophrenic behavior and was not competent to stand trial.[7] John's mother Anne Marie Salvi testified that her son had told her that he, "was the thief on the cross with Jesus."[8] The defense argued that Salvi told his parents that "...the mafia and KKK are out to get me".[9"

"Salvi's conviction was ultimately overturned by the sentencing judge. Judge Barbara Dortch-Okara invoked the legal principle that a conviction may not stand if the accused dies before his appeals are exhausted.[10]"

"Salvi was found dead in his prison cell with a garbage bag over his head tied around his neck on November 29, 1996. The official report states that Salvi's death was a suicide."

John Salvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sunshine]

A fetus is a human at a particular stage of development...as is an adult, an adolescent, a toddler, a child, and a baby.

Different ages, same human.

You’re at liberty to call it whatever you like.

But as a fact of law the embryo/fetus is not a person entitled to Constitutional protections, where the privacy rights of the woman are paramount:

After analyzing the usage of "person" in the Constitution, the Court concluded that that word "has application only postnatally." Id., at 157. Commenting on the contingent property interests of the unborn that are generally represented by guardians ad litem, the Court noted: "Perfection of the interests involved, again, has generally been contingent upon live birth. In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense." Id., at 162. Accordingly, an abortion is not "the termination of life entitled to Fourteenth Amendment protection." Id., at 159. From this holding, there was no dissent, see id., at 173; indeed, no member of the Court has ever questioned this fundamental proposition. Thus, as a matter of federal constitutional law, a developing organism that is not yet a "person" does not have what is sometimes described as a "right to life."

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pa. v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833 (1992)

Lol...the courts don't dictate to me who a person is and who isn't. A fetus is a person. The courts are wrong, and people will look back on this period of time when babies are slaughtered wholesale, in horror.

Look again. That's not the holding of that case. The holding of that case is that a VIABLE fetus has the interest of the state. That was just a blurb he pulled out thinking he could put one over on you.

 

[koshergrl]

Good lord.

 

[Sunshine]

Good lord.

They will stop at nothing, even misquoting the law. A viable fetus IS of interest to the state. And we have seen recent cases that prove that. CCJ is a butthead. The link he posted was NOT the holding of the Planned Parenthood v Casey case. It was just those Justices concurring and dissenting. If he tried something like that in a trial, he would lose his license. Wait! He clearly doesn't have a license. Or even a JD.

CCJ based conclusions on what he claims know as fact, which is a false presentation of the law to start out.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Spitz picketed, not Salvi. Salvi was just a nut.

And your source is crap.

There is a difference between harassing and picketing. If they are screaming at people, they should face arrest.

My source isn't crap.

It's true and you can't deny it.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

" A federal grand jury in Alexandria, Va., probing the violence concluded in January that there was no nationwide conspiracy to commit violence against abortion clinics or their personnel."

Washingtonpost.com: The Insanity Defense

There is zero evidence that he ever picketed outside the clinics.

So?

 

[chikenwing]

Freedom of speech doesn't give people the right to harass other people. These anti-abortion nuts are infringing on other people's rights.

How would you like it, if a group of people parked on the public street in front of your house, and yelled "YOU ARE A STUPID NAZI" through megaphones 24/7?

I bet you'd complain to the police in a heartbeat.

That's my private property not public property like a sidewalk. Stop trying to murder a baby and you won't have a problem. People can get BC from a doctor no need to go to PP. My wife has been on BC and she NEVER got it from PP.

No one is murdering any babies.

So what are being killed,goldfish?

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

That's my private property not public property like a sidewalk. Stop trying to murder a baby and you won't have a problem. People can get BC from a doctor no need to go to PP. My wife has been on BC and she NEVER got it from PP.

No one is murdering any babies.

So what are being killed,goldfish?

Nothing is being killed.

You can't kill something that is not alive.

An embryo is not a living organism.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Hey KOSHERgirl,

This is what the Jewish Anti-Defamation League says about abortion protesters.

"Anti-abortion violence has actually remained a consistent, if secondary, source of domestic terrorism and violence, manifesting itself most often in assaults and vandalism, with occasional arsons, bombings, drive-by shootings, and assassination attempts. As one anti-abortion extremist, while serving a prison sentence for anti-abortion arsons, put it in 2010: "Abortionists are killed because they are serial murderers of innocent children who must be stopped, and they will continue to be stopped."

In addition to the Green Bay firebombing, some other recent examples of anti-abortion violence include:

■Madison, Wisconsin, March 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Ralph Lang, 63, on charges of attempting to intimidate by force people participating in a program receiving federal financial assistance, as well as using or carrying a firearm in relation to the alleged crime. According to police, Lang travelled to Madison to threaten to kill people at a local Planned Parenthood clinic; he was arrested after allegedly firing his gun in a motel room while practicing drawing it.
■Pensacola, Florida, February 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, of Pensacola, Florida, for the alleged arson of a women's health clinic in Pensacola the previous month. Rogers allegedly used a Molotov cocktail (a type of incendiary device) to set the fire.
■Madera, California, January 2012: A federal court sentenced Donny Eugene Mower, 38, to five years in prison for having thrown a Molotov cocktail at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Madera in 2010, leaving behind a note that read, in part, "Let's see if you can burn just as well as your victims."
■McKinney, Texas, July 2011: A Molotov cocktail was thrown at a Planned Parenthood clinic in north Texas.
■Greensboro, North Carolina, March 2011: Justin Carl Moose, 26, received a 30-month federal prison sentence after pleading guilty to distributing information pertaining to the manufacturing and use of an explosive. Moose, who claimed to be part of the radical anti-abortion group Army of God, had described himself as an "extremist radical fundamentalist" who wanted to fight abortion "by any means necessary and at any cost." He had provided bomb-making instructions to an undercover FBI informant whom he thought was going to bomb an abortion clinic.
■Wichita, Kansas, April 2010: A federal court sentenced anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder to life in prison on first degree murder and aggravated assault charges for the June 2009 assassination of a Wichita physician who performed abortion procedures.
■Plano, Texas, April 2010: FBI agents arrested Erlydon Lo, 27, on charges that he threatened to use deadly force against a women's clinic in Dallas. Lo had filed a document threatening to appear at the facility the next day that said, in part, "if I must use deadly force to defend the innocent life of another human being, I will."
■St. Paul, Minnesota, May 2009: Matthew Lee Derosia, 33, received a sentence of time serviced and five years of probation for purposely driving his truck earlier that year into the front of a St. Paul Planned Parenthood clinic on the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision of Roe v. Wade.
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[chikenwing]

No one is murdering any babies.

So what are being killed,goldfish?

Nothing is being killed.

You can't kill something that is not alive.

An embryo is not a living organism.

So you were born dead?

 

[Intense]

A fetus is not a baby.

A fetus is a human at a particular stage of development...as is an adult, an adolescent, a toddler, a child, and a baby.

Different ages, same human.

But a fetus is not a person.

So what is your expert opinion on when a Soul enters a body? No matter ones position on abortion, it is a tragedy, and a loss of a Human Life. That is something to mourn, not celebrate. It is a loss, try facing that.

 

[Intense]

Hey KOSHERgirl,

This is what the Jewish Anti-Defamation League says about abortion protesters.

"Anti-abortion violence has actually remained a consistent, if secondary, source of domestic terrorism and violence, manifesting itself most often in assaults and vandalism, with occasional arsons, bombings, drive-by shootings, and assassination attempts. As one anti-abortion extremist, while serving a prison sentence for anti-abortion arsons, put it in 2010: "Abortionists are killed because they are serial murderers of innocent children who must be stopped, and they will continue to be stopped."

In addition to the Green Bay firebombing, some other recent examples of anti-abortion violence include:

■Madison, Wisconsin, March 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Ralph Lang, 63, on charges of attempting to intimidate by force people participating in a program receiving federal financial assistance, as well as using or carrying a firearm in relation to the alleged crime. According to police, Lang travelled to Madison to threaten to kill people at a local Planned Parenthood clinic; he was arrested after allegedly firing his gun in a motel room while practicing drawing it.
■Pensacola, Florida, February 2012: A federal grand jury indicted Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, of Pensacola, Florida, for the alleged arson of a women's health clinic in Pensacola the previous month. Rogers allegedly used a Molotov cocktail (a type of incendiary device) to set the fire.
■Madera, California, January 2012: A federal court sentenced Donny Eugene Mower, 38, to five years in prison for having thrown a Molotov cocktail at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Madera in 2010, leaving behind a note that read, in part, "Let's see if you can burn just as well as your victims."
■McKinney, Texas, July 2011: A Molotov cocktail was thrown at a Planned Parenthood clinic in north Texas.
■Greensboro, North Carolina, March 2011: Justin Carl Moose, 26, received a 30-month federal prison sentence after pleading guilty to distributing information pertaining to the manufacturing and use of an explosive. Moose, who claimed to be part of the radical anti-abortion group Army of God, had described himself as an "extremist radical fundamentalist" who wanted to fight abortion "by any means necessary and at any cost." He had provided bomb-making instructions to an undercover FBI informant whom he thought was going to bomb an abortion clinic.
■Wichita, Kansas, April 2010: A federal court sentenced anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder to life in prison on first degree murder and aggravated assault charges for the June 2009 assassination of a Wichita physician who performed abortion procedures.
■Plano, Texas, April 2010: FBI agents arrested Erlydon Lo, 27, on charges that he threatened to use deadly force against a women's clinic in Dallas. Lo had filed a document threatening to appear at the facility the next day that said, in part, "if I must use deadly force to defend the innocent life of another human being, I will."
■St. Paul, Minnesota, May 2009: Matthew Lee Derosia, 33, received a sentence of time serviced and five years of probation for purposely driving his truck earlier that year into the front of a St. Paul Planned Parenthood clinic on the anniversary of the Supreme Court decision of Roe v. Wade.
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Violence is wrong.
Anti-Abortion violence is wrong.
Pro-Abortion violence is wrong.
See the pattern?