Hey Libs!

[bodecea]

Ummm.....whats "The Factor"? You mean that reich-wing, kool-aid drinking, program on a network owned by a foreigner (Murdoch)? LOLOL

The NUMBER ONE source for NEws in America. Thanks for playing DotPiggie.

Truely? And here you kept saying it was FOX News and it was The View all along.

 

[WillowTree]

Ummm.....whats "The Factor"? You mean that reich-wing, kool-aid drinking, program on a network owned by a foreigner (Murdoch)? LOLOL

The NUMBER ONE source for NEws in America. Thanks for playing DotPiggie.

Truely? And here you kept saying it was FOX News and it was The View all along.

somebody spiked your kool aid!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Some are. The Cayman Islands is ripe with tax shelters.

You know what...maybe if we lick corporation's assholes, and eat the little balls of toilet paper caught in the hairs of their ass, they will create jobs in America, otherwise, the American workers will have to learn to survive on THESE wages:

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"The equal rights of man, and the happiness of every individual, are now acknowledged to be the only legitimate objects of government. Modern times have the signal advantage, too, of having discovered the only device by which these rights can be secured, to wit: government by the people, acting not in person, but by representatives chosen by themselves, that is to say, by every man of ripe years and sane mind, who contributes either by his purse or person to the support of his country." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Coray, 1823. ME 15:482

And off we go to the other extreme.....

Is there no middle ground?

Sure....It's time to end the plutocracy. Reaganomics was a Trojan Horse for a new Gilded Age. The American people need to take back their country from the opulent. First, eliminate the Bush era tax breaks for the wealthy. Then, Congress should take President Obama's lead and lower the corporate tax rates, but only to 30%, and close all tax loopholes. Then create an incentive laden program of corporate tax breaks based on domestic jobs created. The government needs to pass a progressive and comprehensive energy bill, stop subsidizing dirty energy and invest in only clean, renewable sources. The dirty energy cartels are not creating any new jobs, they are eliminating them, i.e. coal mining. And worst of all, they are eliminating human life and externalizing their costs onto all of us. They are killing 10 times more Americans every year than the terrorists did on 9/11, and they are poisoning our air, our streams and our people.

To get through the current revenue crisis in states, institute a temporary tax on any income over $1 million dollars. The top 1% have been the only beneficiaries of Reaganomics and the Wall Street bubble and bust economy. Now it's time for them to pay the people back.

The DOJ needs to identify and arrest every bankers and fund managers responsible for the collapse of our economy and the evaporation of the savings and retirements of honest hard working Americans. They should be given a choice; life in prison or stay in their multi-million dollar positions, be forced to work to help main street America recover, and forfeit all their salary to pay back the American people. They will be paid minimum wage with no benefits, just like many Americans face.

Our founding fathers were not 'free marketeers' or Ayn Rand narcissists. They were men who valued honor and honesty. They created a government where the people are the shareholders, not a private entity or a corporation where only a handful benefit.

We see by the way our founders governed, they heavily regulated and controlled corporations. They considered any corporate owner or shareholder earning the people's money a privilege, not a right.

Temporary taxes? Sure. I have some ocean front real estate for sale...In Arizona....Interested.
I find it fascinating how you tax the rich people selectively exclude yourselves from participation while ignoring the actual amounts of revenue that may be collected via "soak the rich" taxation. Time after time the results of taxes on special groups have amounted to either flat revenue streams or even a reduction in revenue. In other words, these taxes do not work.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ummm.....whats "The Factor"? You mean that reich-wing, kool-aid drinking, program on a network owned by a foreigner (Murdoch)? LOLOL

You do realize Inside Edition is on another network?

 

[Vanquish]

Many news sources ran with this tid bid. It's not a huge revelation.

Conservatives set up the tax scheme like this so that big business could pray to its altar of greed.

This is what big business does when left to police itself. THIS is why regulation can be a good thing.

 

[mudwhistle]

what i don't understand is we have always have some rich people who did quite well when the top tax rates were at 91% or even 71% and the corps were covering 30% of budget which is now 6%, but all you guys on the right think that we need to lower everything so a few more can get to the top, while 80% of the people fall further behind as the fed govt transfer more and more on to the states and the states transfer more and more onto the middle class.

I don't get it how 20% of the population who is benefiting from what is going on somehow can control 50% of the votes? the lower we lower rates does nothing for the middle class except to transfer the cost of running our states more on the backs of those who can least afford it.

The right has sold a bill of goods to those in the bottom 80% that what we need to do is give you a few more dollars in your weekly pay and things will be better. But the truth is all that happens is more cost is passed on to the majority of the people since the top tax payers get the majority of the cash and can well afford the small amount that they are asked to pay to the state budgets, because of the tax cuts out of their windfall amounts from the Fed's.

Wake up middle America, they are taking control of everything with just a few benefiting, I just don't get it.

I think you're confused.

The right seems to provide opportunity while the left gives you a few bucks to keep your mouth shut while they rip off taxpayers in an unequal thus unfair manner.

Very few programs are intended to cause independence from governmental assistence.

 

[kaz]

Corporations are not fleeing overseas, their jobs are. Can you imagine a CEO living in the squalor their wages support? Corporations are not citizens. They have no patriotism. Their religion is their bottom line, not America or it's people. THAT is what government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people's role is..

I'm always curious why liberals hate money so much yet want to control all of it and they hate corporations so much then blast them for leaving. You should be happy and end all barriers so they leave. If they go to Bermuda, aren't they just going to make Bermuda poor?

Liberals don't hate money. They just don't worship it like Conservatives do. For Liberals, money is a means to an end. To Conservatives, money is the total goal. It's like a religion for Conservatives.

What a load of bull. But if true, then what about answering the question of why they are consumed with controlling it. Not their own, all of it. And why not let evil corporations leave? It's that a good thing?

 

[kaz]

Corporations are not fleeing overseas, their jobs are. Can you imagine a CEO living in the squalor their wages support? Corporations are not citizens. They have no patriotism. Their religion is their bottom line, not America or it's people. THAT is what government OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people's role is..

I'm always curious why liberals hate money so much yet want to control all of it and they hate corporations so much then blast them for leaving. You should be happy and end all barriers so they leave. If they go to Bermuda, aren't they just going to make Bermuda poor?

Ironic, you whine about black and white arguments, then you provide them...LOL

I'm sick of these black and white discussions with liberals who then criticize the right for being black and white.

I have no problem with anyone making lots and lots of money. But if you understand that all markets are constructed, you are off to a clear start.

A true free market 'could' exist, or may have existed in the distant past in a local economy where all goods are locally produced and every participant lives in the same area, shares the same air, water and food source. Then the urge to cheat your neighbors would be self moderated. And any outlier would be ostracized.

Then an understanding of cost externalization will help you comprehend what our founding fathers believed; you can't get rich on the American people by making other Americans poor. When costs are externalized, it is a form of socialism. When that happens, it breaking the rules of a free market.

Do you understand any of this, or do I need to explain?

Oh God, I didn't mean to make you cry little girl. Want a hanky?

 

[Sallow]

And off we go to the other extreme.....

Is there no middle ground?

Sure....It's time to end the plutocracy. Reaganomics was a Trojan Horse for a new Gilded Age. The American people need to take back their country from the opulent. First, eliminate the Bush era tax breaks for the wealthy. Then, Congress should take President Obama's lead and lower the corporate tax rates, but only to 30%, and close all tax loopholes. Then create an incentive laden program of corporate tax breaks based on domestic jobs created. The government needs to pass a progressive and comprehensive energy bill, stop subsidizing dirty energy and invest in only clean, renewable sources. The dirty energy cartels are not creating any new jobs, they are eliminating them, i.e. coal mining. And worst of all, they are eliminating human life and externalizing their costs onto all of us. They are killing 10 times more Americans every year than the terrorists did on 9/11, and they are poisoning our air, our streams and our people.

To get through the current revenue crisis in states, institute a temporary tax on any income over $1 million dollars. The top 1% have been the only beneficiaries of Reaganomics and the Wall Street bubble and bust economy. Now it's time for them to pay the people back.

The DOJ needs to identify and arrest every bankers and fund managers responsible for the collapse of our economy and the evaporation of the savings and retirements of honest hard working Americans. They should be given a choice; life in prison or stay in their multi-million dollar positions, be forced to work to help main street America recover, and forfeit all their salary to pay back the American people. They will be paid minimum wage with no benefits, just like many Americans face.

Our founding fathers were not 'free marketeers' or Ayn Rand narcissists. They were men who valued honor and honesty. They created a government where the people are the shareholders, not a private entity or a corporation where only a handful benefit.

We see by the way our founders governed, they heavily regulated and controlled corporations. They considered any corporate owner or shareholder earning the people's money a privilege, not a right.

Temporary taxes? Sure. I have some ocean front real estate for sale...In Arizona....Interested.
I find it fascinating how you tax the rich people selectively exclude yourselves from participation while ignoring the actual amounts of revenue that may be collected via "soak the rich" taxation. Time after time the results of taxes on special groups have amounted to either flat revenue streams or even a reduction in revenue. In other words, these taxes do not work.

No they haven't. That's a myth. When a progressive tax was enacted in the 40s the US saw unprecendented growth, infrastructure creation and the rise of a middle class.

 

[Sallow]

I'm always curious why liberals hate money so much yet want to control all of it and they hate corporations so much then blast them for leaving. You should be happy and end all barriers so they leave. If they go to Bermuda, aren't they just going to make Bermuda poor?

Liberals don't hate money. They just don't worship it like Conservatives do. For Liberals, money is a means to an end. To Conservatives, money is the total goal. It's like a religion for Conservatives.

What a load of bull. But if true, then what about answering the question of why they are consumed with controlling it. Not their own, all of it. And why not let evil corporations leave? It's that a good thing?

Control it? Gosh. Money is manufactured by the government. It is an abstract. It's weird that Conservatives think it's some sacrement meant to be secreted away by the "worthy". And for the most part "evil corporations" have been manufactured by government as well. The problem is that they haven't attached any responsibility whatsoever with their grants/contracts and tax exemptions. The whole system, lately, has been gamed to make rich folks obsencely rich. And conservatives don't stop there..they see money..as speech. So these folks now have unprecendented access to the government and the media. That's why the United States is regressing. These folks have created "Corporate Quislings" that imagine that if they "just work hard" or are "entreprenuerial" they too will be able to acquire the type of wealth many of these kingmakers have accrued. That's not going to happen. And in fact the system is becoming more and more gamed against the common folk. In that..labor is not valued and small businesses are generally crushed by bigger ones. And if this trend continues..it won't be Russia and China becoming like the US..it will be the US becoming more like Russia and China.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

GE & this White House have very close ties. I'm pretty sure that's why you're not seeing too much outrage coming from the usual suspects. It's all about the "Hope & Change" for those delusional Wingers.

 

[Bfgrn]

And off we go to the other extreme.....

Is there no middle ground?

Sure....It's time to end the plutocracy. Reaganomics was a Trojan Horse for a new Gilded Age. The American people need to take back their country from the opulent. First, eliminate the Bush era tax breaks for the wealthy. Then, Congress should take President Obama's lead and lower the corporate tax rates, but only to 30%, and close all tax loopholes. Then create an incentive laden program of corporate tax breaks based on domestic jobs created. The government needs to pass a progressive and comprehensive energy bill, stop subsidizing dirty energy and invest in only clean, renewable sources. The dirty energy cartels are not creating any new jobs, they are eliminating them, i.e. coal mining. And worst of all, they are eliminating human life and externalizing their costs onto all of us. They are killing 10 times more Americans every year than the terrorists did on 9/11, and they are poisoning our air, our streams and our people.

To get through the current revenue crisis in states, institute a temporary tax on any income over $1 million dollars. The top 1% have been the only beneficiaries of Reaganomics and the Wall Street bubble and bust economy. Now it's time for them to pay the people back.

The DOJ needs to identify and arrest every bankers and fund managers responsible for the collapse of our economy and the evaporation of the savings and retirements of honest hard working Americans. They should be given a choice; life in prison or stay in their multi-million dollar positions, be forced to work to help main street America recover, and forfeit all their salary to pay back the American people. They will be paid minimum wage with no benefits, just like many Americans face.

Our founding fathers were not 'free marketeers' or Ayn Rand narcissists. They were men who valued honor and honesty. They created a government where the people are the shareholders, not a private entity or a corporation where only a handful benefit.

We see by the way our founders governed, they heavily regulated and controlled corporations. They considered any corporate owner or shareholder earning the people's money a privilege, not a right.

Temporary taxes? Sure. I have some ocean front real estate for sale...In Arizona....Interested.
I find it fascinating how you tax the rich people selectively exclude yourselves from participation while ignoring the actual amounts of revenue that may be collected via "soak the rich" taxation. Time after time the results of taxes on special groups have amounted to either flat revenue streams or even a reduction in revenue. In other words, these taxes do not work.

Really? How do you think we paid for the Great Depression and WWII...selling Girl Scout cookies?

I'm being benevolent by calling for a temporary tax. Maybe we should make it permanent.

 

[Sallow]

what i don't understand is we have always have some rich people who did quite well when the top tax rates were at 91% or even 71% and the corps were covering 30% of budget which is now 6%, but all you guys on the right think that we need to lower everything so a few more can get to the top, while 80% of the people fall further behind as the fed govt transfer more and more on to the states and the states transfer more and more onto the middle class.

I don't get it how 20% of the population who is benefiting from what is going on somehow can control 50% of the votes? the lower we lower rates does nothing for the middle class except to transfer the cost of running our states more on the backs of those who can least afford it.

The right has sold a bill of goods to those in the bottom 80% that what we need to do is give you a few more dollars in your weekly pay and things will be better. But the truth is all that happens is more cost is passed on to the majority of the people since the top tax payers get the majority of the cash and can well afford the small amount that they are asked to pay to the state budgets, because of the tax cuts out of their windfall amounts from the Fed's.

Wake up middle America, they are taking control of everything with just a few benefiting, I just don't get it.

I think you're confused.

The right seems to provide opportunity while the left gives you a few bucks to keep your mouth shut while they rip off taxpayers in an unequal thus unfair manner.

Very few programs are intended to cause independence from governmental assistence.

The only "opportunity" that the right has provided was the ability to work in terrible and unsafe conditions and the opportunity to have an early and painful death.

And they are trying to do it again.

Ask Arizona governor Jan Brewer about that. She's got 2 notches on her death panel belt.

 

[Bfgrn]

I'm always curious why liberals hate money so much yet want to control all of it and they hate corporations so much then blast them for leaving. You should be happy and end all barriers so they leave. If they go to Bermuda, aren't they just going to make Bermuda poor?

Ironic, you whine about black and white arguments, then you provide them...LOL

I'm sick of these black and white discussions with liberals who then criticize the right for being black and white.

I have no problem with anyone making lots and lots of money. But if you understand that all markets are constructed, you are off to a clear start.

A true free market 'could' exist, or may have existed in the distant past in a local economy where all goods are locally produced and every participant lives in the same area, shares the same air, water and food source. Then the urge to cheat your neighbors would be self moderated. And any outlier would be ostracized.

Then an understanding of cost externalization will help you comprehend what our founding fathers believed; you can't get rich on the American people by making other Americans poor. When costs are externalized, it is a form of socialism. When that happens, it breaking the rules of a free market.

Do you understand any of this, or do I need to explain?

Oh God, I didn't mean to make you cry little girl. Want a hanky?

Nice projection.

Game, set, match...

Next...

 

[kaz]

Ironic, you whine about black and white arguments, then you provide them...LOL



I have no problem with anyone making lots and lots of money. But if you understand that all markets are constructed, you are off to a clear start.

A true free market 'could' exist, or may have existed in the distant past in a local economy where all goods are locally produced and every participant lives in the same area, shares the same air, water and food source. Then the urge to cheat your neighbors would be self moderated. And any outlier would be ostracized.

Then an understanding of cost externalization will help you comprehend what our founding fathers believed; you can't get rich on the American people by making other Americans poor. When costs are externalized, it is a form of socialism. When that happens, it breaking the rules of a free market.

Do you understand any of this, or do I need to explain?

Oh God, I didn't mean to make you cry little girl. Want a hanky?

Nice projection.

Game, set, match...

Next...

Dude, I was just messing with you. I didn't mean to make you so upset. Get a grip man. It's OK.

 

[Bfgrn]

Oh God, I didn't mean to make you cry little girl. Want a hanky?

Nice projection.

Game, set, match...

Next...

Dude, I was just messing with you. I didn't mean to make you so upset. Get a grip man. It's OK.

LOL...I'm not the one who's upset...nice try though. You can end the obfuscation at your leisure.

 

[kaz]

Nice projection.

Game, set, match...

Next...

Dude, I was just messing with you. I didn't mean to make you so upset. Get a grip man. It's OK.

LOL...I'm not the one who's upset...nice try though. You can end the obfuscation at your leisure.

Actually it was you who started this whole stupid discussion line, the obfuscation you're seeing in in the mirror. But seriously, If you're going to get so upset you really shouldn't be posting on message boards. Calm down, geez....

 

[Bfgrn]

Dude, I was just messing with you. I didn't mean to make you so upset. Get a grip man. It's OK.

LOL...I'm not the one who's upset...nice try though. You can end the obfuscation at your leisure.

Actually it was you who started this whole stupid discussion line, the obfuscation you're seeing in in the mirror. But seriously, If you're going to get so upset you really shouldn't be posting on message boards. Calm down, geez....

All you had to say in response to my question is you don't understand. Should we start with cost externalization?

 

[Rinata]

Youse guys watch the John Stossel special on Fox News? The number one news source in America. Welldidyahuh?

OMG, grow up!!! What are you, 13 years old???

 

[Rinata]

Hippo Hips..

Get your own material.

You have to make four trips.

Nobody is laughing but you. Grow up.