Hey gun nuts: what exactly is preventing terrorists from buying guns in states like Texas?

[2aguy]

Oh really? Most of our high profile mass shooting a show that those guns were obtained legally. As I've proved before in this thread with a link, gun control legislation helps to minimize gun deaths.

No...your link was a lie......they use suicides, not gun murder to push their lie...........

You're just making shit up as you go along.

From the study your link uses....

Alaska Gun Violence On key measures, Alaska has been hit harder by gun violence than any other state in the country. • As of 2010, Alaska had the worst gun death rate in the nation—20.3 deaths per 100,000 people, almost twice the national norm of 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people.1 • Alaska had more suicides per capita from guns than any other state in 2010, and almost two-and-a-half times the national average.2 Among women and children, Alaska’s rates of fatal gun

told you...also...Alaska doesn't have enough police to patrol the tribal areas...where most of the violence happens...

Lol this is so dumb. You are quoting ONE state without taking into account WHY suicide in Alaska is so high.

The Dishonest Gun-Control Debate, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Take this, for example, from ThinkProgress’s Zack Beauchamp, with whom I had a discussion about the issue on Wednesday evening: “STUDY: States with loose gun laws have higher rates of gun violence.” The claim sounds like an entirely straightforward one. In English, it means that there is more gun violence in states with relatively liberal gun laws.

But that is of course not at all what it means.

In order to reach that conclusion, the authors of the study were obliged to insert a supplementary measure of “gun violence,” that being the “crime-gun export rate.” If a gun legally sold in Indiana ends up someday being used in a crime in Chicago, then that is counted as an incidence of gun violence in Indiana, even though it is no such thing.


This is a fairly nakedly political attempt to manipulate statistics in such a way as to attribute some portion of Chicago’s horrific crime epidemic to peaceable neighboring communities.


And even if we took the “gun-crime export rate” to be a meaningful metric, we would need to consider the fact that it accounts only for those guns sold legally. Of course states that do not have many legal gun sales do not generate a lot of records for “gun-crime exports.” It is probable that lots of guns sold in Illinois end up being used in crimes in Indiana; the difference is, those guns are sold on the black market, and so do not show up in the records. The choice of metrics is just another way to put a thumb on the scale.

Read more at: The Dishonest Gun-Control Debate, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

 

[2aguy]

No it doesn't prove anything of the kind........no...they use suicide to boost their number....not actual criminal homicide....see how they lie......

How many times do we have to show you that criminals get guns illegally before you actually understand the concept.

Oh really? Most of our high profile mass shooting a show that those guns were obtained legally. As I've proved before in this thread with a link, gun control legislation helps to minimize gun deaths.

No...your link was a lie......they use suicides, not gun murder to push their lie...........

You're just making shit up as you go along.

From the study your link uses....

Alaska Gun Violence On key measures, Alaska has been hit harder by gun violence than any other state in the country. • As of 2010, Alaska had the worst gun death rate in the nation—20.3 deaths per 100,000 people, almost twice the national norm of 10.3 deaths per 100,000 people.1 • Alaska had more suicides per capita from guns than any other state in 2010, and almost two-and-a-half times the national average.2 Among women and children, Alaska’s rates of fatal gun

told you...also...Alaska doesn't have enough police to patrol the tribal areas...where most of the violence happens...

Lol this is so dumb. You are quoting ONE state without taking into account WHY suicide in Alaska is so high.

And analysis from the Washington post...not a gun friendly source....

Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’

But even in this chart, there are some outliers. New Hampshire and Vermont, for instance, have few gun restrictions but also have relatively low rates of gun deaths.

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In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.

Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place,

but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.

Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.

 

[Clementine]

Lol right because AR-15s are so non lethal in comparison?

Point is that they will get them regardless of laws. Wonder how many Fast and Furious guns are still floating around.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The exact same things that stops them in CA or NY. Just count yourself luck they are buying legal firearms instead of fully auto AK-47s off the black market like they're doing in Europe. Those 7.62 rounds do a hell of a lot more damage than a 2.23 and have much more penetration. Why do you think they're preferred by gangs and drug cartels.

Lol right because AR-15s are so non lethal in comparison?

An AK is a lighter, magazine fed M-60 machine gun, an AR 15 chambered in the standard 2.23cal is much less lethal. Things that provide adequate cover from a 2.23 won't do shit against a 7.62. Anyone who's been in the military knows that.

I would MUCH rather be shot dead by an AR-15......

 

[Clementine]

Tell me, what sort of gun control laws are there that prevent terrorists from obtaining guns in red pieces-of-shit states like Texas

Texas Republican Freaks Out When He Realizes How Easy It Is For Refugees To Buy Guns (VIDEO)

"It’s far too easy to buy a gun in the United States – like, super easy. All it takes is a little bit of money, a driver’s license, and the ability to pass a federal background check, which by itself can be completed in as little as three minutes.

In case you’re wondering, that last part isn’t too hard either. According to a report released by the Washington Post recently, over 2,000 terror suspects have legally purchased guns in the United States since 2004. That’s an alarming number. It’s really all you need to know about how effective background checks for gun purchases are. If you want the official figures, only 700,000 people have been denied in the last decade. That may sound like a large number, but check this out – the FBI did more than 100 million checks. All in all, you have more than a 99% chance of passing with flying colors."

Evil is evil. If they don't have guns, which they can obtain illegally, they turn to bombs, planes, knives, etc.

Disarming honest people won't help. Sad that our government can't even vet immigrants and refugees to keep terrorists out to begin with. They come in droves, either legally or illegally.

 

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[Kosh]

See how the far left drones will distract from the fact that Obama is failure..

Not one far left drone has been able to produce or cite any laws that would have prevented any of the mass shootings..

 

[OKTexas]

The exact same things that stops them in CA or NY. Just count yourself luck they are buying legal firearms instead of fully auto AK-47s off the black market like they're doing in Europe. Those 7.62 rounds do a hell of a lot more damage than a 2.23 and have much more penetration. Why do you think they're preferred by gangs and drug cartels.

Lol right because AR-15s are so non lethal in comparison?

An AK is a lighter, magazine fed M-60 machine gun, an AR 15 chambered in the standard 2.23cal is much less lethal. Things that provide adequate cover from a 2.23 won't do shit against a 7.62. Anyone who's been in the military knows that.

I would MUCH rather be shot dead by an AR-15......

You'd at least have a better looking corps. LOL

 

[Contumacious]

Tell me, what sort of gun control laws are there that prevent terrorists from obtaining guns in red pieces-of-shit states like Texas

Texas Republican Freaks Out When He Realizes How Easy It Is For Refugees To Buy Guns (VIDEO)

"It’s far too easy to buy a gun in the United States – like, super easy. All it takes is a little bit of money, a driver’s license, and the ability to pass a federal background check, which by itself can be completed in as little as three minutes.

In case you’re wondering, that last part isn’t too hard either. According to a report released by the Washington Post recently, over 2,000 terror suspects have legally purchased guns in the United States since 2004. That’s an alarming number. It’s really all you need to know about how effective background checks for gun purchases are. If you want the official figures, only 700,000 people have been denied in the last decade. That may sound like a large number, but check this out – the FBI did more than 100 million checks. All in all, you have more than a 99% chance of passing with flying colors."

LISTEN DINGLE BERRY, DID SOMEONE PROMISE YOU A ROSE GARDEN?

DON'T WANT TO BE WORRIED BY "TERRORISTS?

EASY


CALL THE MOTHERFUCKERS INSIDE THE DC BELTWAY AND REMIND THEM THAT THE US IS SUPPOSED TO BE NEUTRAL AND THAT THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO MEDDLE IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF OTHER NATIONS.

SIMPLE

DO IT.


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[The Rabbi]

It is a great idea. WHat problem do you have with it? If the person is law abiding, why shouldn't they? If they're not law abiding, no law is going to stop them from doing it.
I notced you ignored my question on what background check would have prevented the SB killers from buying a gun. That's because your thread is yet another poorly thought out fail.

The current standard of "law abiding" does not take into account factors such as mental health. The statistical evidence shows that gun control legislation helps to reduce gun deaths. Why wouldn't that apply to terrorism as well?

Hard Evidence: does gun control work?

I don't know if the most recent case of terrorism could have been prevented with more in depth background check alone, but there is an inverse statistical relationship between gun control and gun deaths.

No it doesn't prove anything of the kind........no...they use suicide to boost their number....not actual criminal homicide....see how they lie......

How many times do we have to show you that criminals get guns illegally before you actually understand the concept.

Oh really? Most of our high profile mass shooting a show that those guns were obtained legally. As I've proved before in this thread with a link, gun control legislation helps to minimize gun deaths.

yes.....gee....now you get it....

Criminals cannot buy a gun legally because they have a criminal record. So they steal their guns or get someone with a clean record to buy the gun for them...thereby by passing the universal background check.

Mass shooters all pass the background checks you want...some up to 3 different background checks because they have committed no crime before the mass shooting...so you can have a universal background check for every single gun sale...and they will still get guns......

As I've proved before in this thread with a link, gun control legislation helps to minimize gun deaths.

Please....read that to yourself, slowly........do you not see how silly that is.....you just said that mass shooters got their gun legally......all of them except for a few in fact..the others stole their guns or bought them illegally.....

so almost all mass shooters bought their guns legally....and you say gun control legislation helps minimize gun deaths.....

Please...read that again...and again..until you realize that you just freaking contradicted yourself......

You're such an idiot. I never said gun control legislation prevents mass shootings completely. Our current gun laws just make them easier to do however. I said that OVERALL gun deaths are low with gun control legislation. Period. That is what matters. No existing law eliminates the crime it is targeting - it just reduces it.

Except it doesnt. There is zero proof gun control legislation reduces anything, except people's ability to fight back against criminals.
Again, you've cherry picked one flawed study and simply repeat your viewpoint over and over.
This is because you are stupid.