Zone1 Here's Why White Guilt About Slavery Is Insane

[AZrailwhale]

Excellent point. The fallacy of abuse and torture of slaves. Who would abuse farm animals to expect them to become more productive?

Some slaves were abused; there were as many sadistic idiots back then as now. Most were treated better than the members of the endless waves of poor immigrants that fueled the expansion of the Northern industrial machine.

 

[IM2]

Excellent point. The fallacy of abuse and torture of slaves. Who would abuse farm animals to expect them to become more productive?

My master often went to the house, got drunk, and then came out to the field to whip, cut, slash, curse, swear, beat and knock down several, for the smallest offense, or nothing at all.

He divested a poor female slave of all wearing apparel, tied her down to stakes, and whipped her with a handsaw until he broke it over her naked body. In process of time, he ravished her person and became the father of a child by her. Besides, he always kept a colored Miss in the house with him. This is another curse of Slavery concubinage and illegitimate connections which is carried on to an alarming extent in the far South. A poor slave man who lives close by his wife is permitted to visit her but very seldom, and other men, both white and colored, cohabit with her. It is undoubtedly the worst place of incest and bigamy in the world. A white man thinks nothing of putting a colored man out to carry the fore row [front row in field work] and carry on the same sport with the colored man’s wife at the same time.

I know these facts will seem too awful to relate, but I am constrained to write of such revolting deeds, as they are some of the real “dark deeds of American Slavery.” Then, kind reader, pursue my narrative, remembering that I give no fiction in my details of horrid scenes. Nay, believe, with me, that the half can never be told of the misery the poor slaves are still suffering in this so-called land of freedom.
-William J. Anderson, Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-Four Years a Slave, 1857

William J. Anderson, Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-Four Years a Slave, Chicago: Daily Tribune Book and Job Printing Office, 1857. William J. Anderson, b. 1811. Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-four Years a Slave; Sold Eight Times! In Jail Sixty Times!! Whipped Three Hundred Times!!! or The Dark Deeds of American Slavery Revealed. Containing Scriptural Views of the Origin of the Black and of the White Man. Also, a Simple and Easy Plan to Abolish Slavery in the United States. Together with an Account of the Services of Colored Men in the Revolutionary War--Day and Date, and Interesting Facts.

Thats just one "fallacy".

Stop lying to yourself white aolescent male.

 

[Stryder50]

Or maybe the "many" others aren't so many.

Depends how define "many" I guess.
I'm certain we have at least a dozen plus rabid Leftist-Marxist-Libtards posting here.
Actually naming/listing is against forum rules IIRC.

 

[IM2]

Why are states like California, who had no slavery, proposing reparations? That’s what I find mysterious and only a political tactic.

Because reparations aren't just for slavery. California practiced Jim Crow just like everybody else. You racists keep arguing about slavery as if everything stopped there. What you can't face is the truth of the continuing racism that YOU still practice, which only increases the amount owed.

 

[Stryder50]

But we were involved in the importation of slaves for 20 years after the ratification of the constitution. But that didn't matter because the U.S. slave population was able to reproduce itself, with the population rising from roughly 400,000 to 3.5 million by 1860.

It seems you want to downplay America's role in slavery which is idiotic. I'm not arguing we should feel guilty. I'm arguing we should acknowledge what it is. Which I have done.


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A reminder folks, that until about 1775/1776 and following events, residents of the 13 colonies were British citizens. Only with the end of the War of Independence and following treaty, later Constitution did they become American citizens.

America, USA, had to be a real nation before anyone could be a legal citizen of such.

 

[AZrailwhale]

1. I have acknowleged on multiple occasions on here that slavery is an historical fact outside the US. Usually in the context of biblical slavery.

2. So your assertion is, is that since it were blacks who did the capturing, whites aren't responsible. It seems to me that the blacks in Africa captured their neighbouring tribes and sold them into slavery because whites provided the economic incentive to do so.

In fact, it was a entire economic system called the triangular trade routes.

If I commission someone to steal a work of art. Would you say I'm not responsible because I didn't personally break into the Louvre.

3. You are right. On the other hand, the USA kept the instution of slavery long after most nations abandoned it. Fought a civil war to try to sustain it, and after they couldn't kept Black people as second rate citizens well into the 20th century. Something that still creates systemic problems to this day. So there's that.

4. If by "owned" you mean held the deeds as an individual sure, the number is closer to 2 but sure. On the other hand if you look at it by household like I'd suggest an intellectual honest person would look at it, the number during the colonial era was more like 25 percent. And just before the civil war in the Southern States over 30.

See the reason you don't hear the points you make among leftists, is because you aren't really interested in hearing what they have to say if it doesn't fit your narrative. On top of them being misleading, or simply bad from a rethorical standpoint.

The USA was in the middle of the pack when it came to abolishing slavery. It was the second nation to ban the slave trade and the fourth major nation to initiate a total ban on slavery. The only way you can say "the USA kept the instution of slavery long after most nations abandoned it." is to count all the tiny colonies as nations.

 

[MarathonMike]

Depends how define "many" I guess.
I'm certain we have at least a dozen plus rabid Leftist-Marxist-Libtards posting here.
Actually naming/listing is against forum rules IIRC.

And maybe a few of those are socks?

 

[AZrailwhale]

My master often went to the house, got drunk, and then came out to the field to whip, cut, slash, curse, swear, beat and knock down several, for the smallest offense, or nothing at all.

He divested a poor female slave of all wearing apparel, tied her down to stakes, and whipped her with a handsaw until he broke it over her naked body. In process of time, he ravished her person and became the father of a child by her. Besides, he always kept a colored Miss in the house with him. This is another curse of Slavery concubinage and illegitimate connections which is carried on to an alarming extent in the far South. A poor slave man who lives close by his wife is permitted to visit her but very seldom, and other men, both white and colored, cohabit with her. It is undoubtedly the worst place of incest and bigamy in the world. A white man thinks nothing of putting a colored man out to carry the fore row [front row in field work] and carry on the same sport with the colored man’s wife at the same time.

I know these facts will seem too awful to relate, but I am constrained to write of such revolting deeds, as they are some of the real “dark deeds of American Slavery.” Then, kind reader, pursue my narrative, remembering that I give no fiction in my details of horrid scenes. Nay, believe, with me, that the half can never be told of the misery the poor slaves are still suffering in this so-called land of freedom.
-William J. Anderson, Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-Four Years a Slave, 1857

William J. Anderson, Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-Four Years a Slave, Chicago: Daily Tribune Book and Job Printing Office, 1857. William J. Anderson, b. 1811. Life and Narrative of William J. Anderson, Twenty-four Years a Slave; Sold Eight Times! In Jail Sixty Times!! Whipped Three Hundred Times!!! or The Dark Deeds of American Slavery Revealed. Containing Scriptural Views of the Origin of the Black and of the White Man. Also, a Simple and Easy Plan to Abolish Slavery in the United States. Together with an Account of the Services of Colored Men in the Revolutionary War--Day and Date, and Interesting Facts.

Thats just one "fallacy".

Stop lying to yourself white aolescent male.

As usual you cherry pick one incident as representative of a whole institution. The only reason that book was published at all was the work of WHITE ABOLITIONISTS who used it as good propaganda.

 

[jotathought]

Because reparations aren't just for slavery. California practiced Jim Crow just like everybody else. You racists keep arguing about slavery as if everything stopped there. What you can't face is the truth of the continuing racism that YOU still practice, which only increases the amount owed.

If disagreement automatically makes someone racist, then your position isn’t persuasive — it’s ideological. Real policies survive scrutiny without name-calling.

 

[Stryder50]

And maybe a few of those are socks?

Yeah,
But "at least" implies more than a dozen.
I'll agree we may have a couple-few multi-accounts also.

 

[Failzero]

Because reparations aren't just for slavery. California practiced Jim Crow just like everybody else. You racists keep arguing about slavery as if everything stopped there. What you can't face is the truth of the continuing racism that YOU still practice, which only increases the amount owed.

So Democrats in California practiced Jim Crow ? ( More Black Workers worked in War Effort building Shasta Dam & Liberty Ships & Warships & Airplanes and Artillery pieces & Tanks …) in California than they worked in any 3 Jim Crow States in the South

 

[alang1216]

Excellent point. The fallacy of abuse and torture of slaves. Who would abuse farm animals to expect them to become more productive?

If someone sold my family and sent them away, I'd consider it abuse and torture.

 

[IM2]

If disagreement automatically makes someone racist, then your position isn’t persuasive — it’s ideological. Real policies survive scrutiny without name-calling.

You can stop playing the victim, white man, because this is not about a mere disagreement. And what are you disagreeing with anyway? Did your lived experience as a white person make you disagree with someone black about the things they live through that you have not? Does your being white make you disagree with documented history, legal decisions, public policy, and studies?

You are called a racist because your opinions are racist. Reparations are not just about slavery, your beliefs are racist, and since white racism continue tday, it adverely impact blacks to the extent of blacks losing billions of dollars per year. Now, in 2026.

 

[IM2]

I won’t give $$ to Closet Socially Liberal RINO politicians so no

None of them exist. So give your money to any Republican in DC.

 

[Failzero]

None of them exist. So give your money to any Republican in DC.

1/3 of the Elected GOP in DC are Closet Socially Liberal RINOs

 

[OODA_Loop]

. Reparations are not just about slavery, your beliefs are racist, and since white racism continue tday, it adverely impact blacks to the extent of blacks losing billions of dollars per year. Now, in 2026.

What’s the most egregious example of white racism continuing today?

 

[jotathought]

You can stop playing the victim, white man, because this is not about a mere disagreement. And what are you disagreeing with anyway? Did your lived experience as a white person make you disagree with someone black about the things they live through that you have not? Does your being white make you disagree with documented history, legal decisions, public policy, and studies?

You are called a racist because your opinions are racist. Reparations are not just about slavery, your beliefs are racist, and since white racism continue tday, it adverely impact blacks to the extent of blacks losing billions of dollars per year. Now, in 2026.

Attacking my race doesn’t answer the argument. Disagreement with a policy proposal isn’t denial of history or racism by default. If reparations are a 2026 policy claim, argue it with evidence and specifics — not personal accusations.

 

[forkup]

The USA was in the middle of the pack when it came to abolishing slavery. It was the second nation to ban the slave trade and the fourth major nation to initiate a total ban on slavery. The only way you can say "the USA kept the instution of slavery long after most nations abandoned it." is to count all the tiny colonies as nations.

That's what you hone into?

First, banning slavery but keeping the institution alive for over 50 years after is not a big accomplishment. Neither is being "middle of the pack" (something that's seriously arguable) considering the US is the only nation that had an actual civil war over the question.

It's funny how you seem to think having a civil war is somehow a minor detail in a discussion about abolishing slavery in the United States.

 

[OODA_Loop]

It's funny how you seem to think having a civil war is somehow a minor detail in a discussion about abolishing slavery in the United States.

The ACW was as much about how to abolish slavery more so than just abolition.

How do you abolish something you don’t have the support to do within the confines of the law?

 

[forkup]

What’s the most egregious example of white racism continuing today?

in my view I would argue racial profiling of the police in traffic stops. Since we are talking "egregious" racism.

I don't think however that's a bad measuring stick. Since things don't have to be "egregious racism" to disadvantage black people.

There are plenty of studies that show that black people get comparatively harsher punishments for similar crimes. I'm not sure that's a function of racism or economics. Worse legal representation causes worse outcomes. But it is racially tied. Just one example and I can name several.

The point is this. To this day a black person is more likely to be poor. Come from a broken home, and have a worse education. And the roots of those problems lay in slavery and continue to this day.