Here is why Islam has NO place in America!

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Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Wallace v. Jaffree proves the First Amendment applies to all religions.

Let me know when the Supreme Court rules in your favor.

But it does not prove that the establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion for the express purpose of not interfering with state established religions of which half the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

 

[Faun]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Wallace v. Jaffree proves the First Amendment applies to all religions.

Let me know when the Supreme Court rules in your favor.

But i does not prove that the establishment clause was written to prevent the federal government from establishing a national religion for the express purpose of not interfering with state established religions of which half the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Again, you're conflating the issue of this thread.

The First Amendment protects the right to practice one's religion. No state can ban Muslims from practicing their faith other than certain aspects which would violate state or federal laws, such as some aspects of Sharia law.

 

[ding]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Technically it is exactly correct. While there was certainly a concern about state religions- other state constitution's prior to the First Amendment made it very clear that this applied to individual religious freedom- including Jews and Muslims.

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

 

[Faun]

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Technically it is exactly correct. While there was certainly a concern about state religions- other state constitution's prior to the First Amendment made it very clear that this applied to individual religious freedom- including Jews and Muslims.

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

 

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Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Technically it is exactly correct. While there was certainly a concern about state religions- other state constitution's prior to the First Amendment made it very clear that this applied to individual religious freedom- including Jews and Muslims.

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

 

[ding]

Technically that is incorrect. The Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment was written to prevent the federal government from interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified.

Technically it is exactly correct. While there was certainly a concern about state religions- other state constitution's prior to the First Amendment made it very clear that this applied to individual religious freedom- including Jews and Muslims.

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

So despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

 

[Faun]

Technically it is exactly correct. While there was certainly a concern about state religions- other state constitution's prior to the First Amendment made it very clear that this applied to individual religious freedom- including Jews and Muslims.

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

 

[ding]

No. The Establishment clause was written specifically to prevent the Federal Government from interfering with state established religions. States are within their rights to establish state religions.

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

SCOTUS also ruled that people were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Have you ever seen what it takes to repeal or revise an amendment? The 14th Amendment did not do that, nor was it the framer's intention to do so as evidenced by the Blaine Amendment which explicitly tried to do that and was rejected by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

But like I said before, despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

 

[Faun]

Now you're conflating the issue. We're not talking about whether or not a state can establish a state religion; we're talking about if a state can ban a religion.

The First Amendment. along with the 14th Amendment are clear -- the state cannot prohibit[ing] the free exercise thereof.

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

SCOTUS also ruled that people were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Have you ever seen what it takes to repeal or revise an amendment? The 14th Amendment did not do that, nor was it the framer's intention to do so as evidenced by the Blaine Amendment which explicitly tried to do that and was rejected by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

But like I said before, despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the doctrine of incorporation. Nothing you've posted refutes that. And where have I said states can establish a state religion?

How many of the states have an established religion?

And of course, there's the opinion of the Supreme Court, which trumps your opinion every single time...

The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

Everson v Board ( 330 US 1 [1947] )​

And again ... you're derailing the thread.

Again .... this thread is not about establishing a religion -- it's about banning a religion.

And on this note, I won't respond again unless you discuss the thread topic. If you want to talk about something else, I recommend you start up a thread on that other topic. This thread is about the moronic position of banning a specific religion, as the Nazi's did in Germany during WWII.

Ain't gonna happen -- we are not Nazi Germany.

 

[ding]

Again you are misunderstanding the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment only applies to the Federal Government. States are free to establish a state religion and by effect ban all others. The 14th Amendment did not change that. If they believed it had, they would have never tried passing the Blaine Amendment which failed.

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

SCOTUS also ruled that people were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Have you ever seen what it takes to repeal or revise an amendment? The 14th Amendment did not do that, nor was it the framer's intention to do so as evidenced by the Blaine Amendment which explicitly tried to do that and was rejected by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

But like I said before, despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the doctrine of incorporation. Nothing you've posted refutes that. And where have I said states can establish a state religion?

How many of the states have an established religion?

And of course, there's the opinion of the Supreme Court, which trumps your opinion every single time...

The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

Everson v Board ( 330 US 1 [1947] )​

And again ... you're derailing the thread.

Again .... this thread is not about establishing a religion -- it's about banning a religion.

And on this note, I won't respond again unless you discuss the thread topic. If you want to talk about something else, I recommend you start up a thread on that other topic. This thread is about the moronic position of banning a specific religion, as the Nazi's did in Germany during WWII.

Ain't gonna happen -- we are not Nazi Germany.

You have gone off on a tangent. States on their own ended their own established religions. The 1st Amendment had nothing to do with that. Half of the states had established religions at the time the constitution was ratified. Look it up. It's not that hard. You can even read when they abolished them.

And yes, if a state today decided to establish a state religion and ban other's there is nothing that would stop them from doing it. The 1st Amendment has not been repealed. The history of that Amendment is in the historical record and the 14th Amendment did not repeal or revise the 1st Amendment.

 

[Mudda]

Ok, thanks for proving you have no idea what you're talking about.

Incorporation Doctrine

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

SCOTUS also ruled that people were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Have you ever seen what it takes to repeal or revise an amendment? The 14th Amendment did not do that, nor was it the framer's intention to do so as evidenced by the Blaine Amendment which explicitly tried to do that and was rejected by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

But like I said before, despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the doctrine of incorporation. Nothing you've posted refutes that. And where have I said states can establish a state religion?

How many of the states have an established religion?

And of course, there's the opinion of the Supreme Court, which trumps your opinion every single time...

The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

Everson v Board ( 330 US 1 [1947] )​

And again ... you're derailing the thread.

Again .... this thread is not about establishing a religion -- it's about banning a religion.

And on this note, I won't respond again unless you discuss the thread topic. If you want to talk about something else, I recommend you start up a thread on that other topic. This thread is about the moronic position of banning a specific religion, as the Nazi's did in Germany during WWII.

Ain't gonna happen -- we are not Nazi Germany.

You have gone off on a tangent. States on their own ended their own established religions. The 1st Amendment had nothing to do with that. Half of the states had established religions at the time the constitution was ratified. Look it up. It's not that hard. You can even read when they abolished them.

And yes, if a state today decided to establish a state religion and ban other's there is nothing that would stop them from doing it. The 1st Amendment has not been repealed. The history of that Amendment is in the historical record and the 14th Amendment did not repeal or revise the 1st Amendment.

There's a typo in the Constitution, it's supposed to read "freedom FROM religion".

 

[ding]

Like I said, you need to look at the Blaine Amendment. It was expressly written to over-write the 1st Amendment's establishment's clause. So that it would apply to states as well as the federal government. It failed in the senate. The same senate that passed the 14th Amendment. So despite the incorrect application of the 14th Amendment, the people who actually wrote the 14th Amendment did not believe the 14th Amendment applied to the 1st Amendment.

Banning the establishment of religion was only one of the provisions in that amendment. And your opinion that the 14th Amendment is misapplied couldn't be more meaningless since every relevant Supreme Court ruling since the 14th Amendment was ratified has has adhered to the doctrine of incorporation.

And again, you're conflating the issue of this thread. Stop trying to derail it.

It's not about the establishment of religion. It's about prohibiting the freedom to exercise religion. And your claim that an official state-recognized religion effectively bans all others is nonsense. Even of such a thing were allowed, it would only mean said religion would have financial, legal, and moral support from the state. It would not impose a ban on all other religions.

SCOTUS also ruled that people were property to be disposed of at the will of its owner.

Have you ever seen what it takes to repeal or revise an amendment? The 14th Amendment did not do that, nor was it the framer's intention to do so as evidenced by the Blaine Amendment which explicitly tried to do that and was rejected by the framers of the 14th Amendment.

But like I said before, despite your continued ignorance on what the 14th Amendment was intended to do, you at least know and accept that the 1st Amendment did not prevent states from establishing state religions, it prevented the federal government from establishing a national religion and interfering with state established religions of which half of the states had at the time the constitution was ratified. That is some progress at least. You are less ignorant than when this conversation started.

The Supreme Court has consistently upheld the doctrine of incorporation. Nothing you've posted refutes that. And where have I said states can establish a state religion?

How many of the states have an established religion?

And of course, there's the opinion of the Supreme Court, which trumps your opinion every single time...

The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever from they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'

Everson v Board ( 330 US 1 [1947] )​

And again ... you're derailing the thread.

Again .... this thread is not about establishing a religion -- it's about banning a religion.

And on this note, I won't respond again unless you discuss the thread topic. If you want to talk about something else, I recommend you start up a thread on that other topic. This thread is about the moronic position of banning a specific religion, as the Nazi's did in Germany during WWII.

Ain't gonna happen -- we are not Nazi Germany.

You have gone off on a tangent. States on their own ended their own established religions. The 1st Amendment had nothing to do with that. Half of the states had established religions at the time the constitution was ratified. Look it up. It's not that hard. You can even read when they abolished them.

And yes, if a state today decided to establish a state religion and ban other's there is nothing that would stop them from doing it. The 1st Amendment has not been repealed. The history of that Amendment is in the historical record and the 14th Amendment did not repeal or revise the 1st Amendment.

There's a typo in the Constitution, it's supposed to read "freedom FROM religion".

You are an intellectual giant.

 

[Billo_Really]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & American values!

If you think that is a victory for American values, then you might as well take down that plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Islam is the ONLY religion on earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion & state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST!

Except that we're the only country going around the world making up bullshit reasons to invade sovereign nations.

It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!

As you want to horribly oppress them.

Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

How much to we impose when we park the USS Ronald Reagan in some country's harbor?

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel),

Is that like Kobe beef?

prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off,

Hey, I like holidays off! With pay, for that matter.

single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this??

You're doing a pretty good job of dictating yourself.

Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies!

Like the right trying to say this is a Christian nation?

I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

So does hayseed-dickboy-inbred-redneck racists who like to make irresponsible statements.

 

[Faun]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & American values!

If you think that is a victory for American values, then you might as well take down that plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Islam is the ONLY religion on earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion & state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST!

Except that we're the only country going around the world making up bullshit reasons to invade sovereign nations.

It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!

As you want to horribly oppress them.

Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

How much to we impose when we park the USS Ronald Reagan in some country's harbor?

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel),

Is that like Kobe beef?

prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off,

Hey, I like holidays off! With pay, for that matter.

single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this??

You're doing a pretty good job of dictating yourself.

Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies!

Like the right trying to say this is a Christian nation?

I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

So does hayseed-dickboy-inbred-redneck racists who like to make irresponsible statements.

And no such ban will happen. Americans won't stand for it. America doesn't stand for it. Hell, Trump is even struggling in his efforts to keep more Muslims from entering.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Islam isn't a religion in that sense. It's a global domination scheme entertwined with religion.


The free exercise of practicing Sharia law goes directly against American laws.

You can't remove the world domination and government plan from Islam without it ceasing to be Islam.

Therefore it is not a real religion. It's a world domination/governmental plan first, calling itself religion second.

The founding fathers did not consider the wild card of Islam in the wording of the first Amendment.

The Musselman religion was not in the US at that time at all.

In fact, It's only been in the US at all since 1939.

Bullshit. There are millions of Muslims in America who practice Islam within the laws of this nation. Like it or not, it is a real religion; which is little more than a faith in G-d. That applies to Islam as much as it applies to any other major religion.

Muzziphiles Commit Treason, Which Is unConstitutional

It is the religion of Cain and Ishmael, who were both based on actual prehistoric gang leaders.

 

[Faun]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

Islam isn't a religion in that sense. It's a global domination scheme entertwined with religion.


The free exercise of practicing Sharia law goes directly against American laws.

You can't remove the world domination and government plan from Islam without it ceasing to be Islam.

Therefore it is not a real religion. It's a world domination/governmental plan first, calling itself religion second.

The founding fathers did not consider the wild card of Islam in the wording of the first Amendment.

The Musselman religion was not in the US at that time at all.

In fact, It's only been in the US at all since 1939.

Bullshit. There are millions of Muslims in America who practice Islam within the laws of this nation. Like it or not, it is a real religion; which is little more than a faith in G-d. That applies to Islam as much as it applies to any other major religion.

Muzziphiles Commit Treason, Which Is unConstitutional

It is the religion of Cain and Ishmael, who were both based on actual prehistoric gang leaders.

So do some Christians, we're not banning them either.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & American values!

If you think that is a victory for American values, then you might as well take down that plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Islam is the ONLY religion on earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion & state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST!

Except that we're the only country going around the world making up bullshit reasons to invade sovereign nations.

It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!

As you want to horribly oppress them.

Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

How much to we impose when we park the USS Ronald Reagan in some country's harbor?

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel),

Is that like Kobe beef?

prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off,

Hey, I like holidays off! With pay, for that matter.

single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this??

You're doing a pretty good job of dictating yourself.

Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies!

Like the right trying to say this is a Christian nation?

I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

So does hayseed-dickboy-inbred-redneck racists who like to make irresponsible statements.

And no such ban will happen. Americans won't stand for it. America doesn't stand for it. Hell, Trump is even struggling in his efforts to keep more Muslims from entering.

It's real simple to slow Muslim immigration into the US. Cut funding for the grants they receive for coming here.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

"The Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact," Explained Justice Holmes

I see how powerful puffed-up potentates feel by using the Constitution to overrule the will of the people. But "We, the People" are the only words free men should pay any attention to in that obsolete anti-democratic manifesto.

Having Muslims in this country is not a suicide pact. That's where your diatribe runs off the rails.

Banishing everyone of a particular religion is what the Nazis did in Germany during WWII. That is not going to happen here.

Your Time Is Up and You Will Be Heard No More

We need to banish the Gilded Godwin Gotcha Gang. No matter how loudly they chant their Kumbaya treason in their well-financed communes, the immigration laws they got their Daddies to make will be repealed and the Muslims' citizenship will be revoked.

 

[Faun]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & America values! Islam is the ONLY religion in earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion % state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST! It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!


Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel), prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off, single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this?? Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies! I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

Complete and utter nonsense...

1st Amendment

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;​

Like it or not, Islam, like all religions, is Constitutionally protected in the United States. If you don't like that, tough shit.

"The Constitution Is Not a Suicide Pact," Explained Justice Holmes

I see how powerful puffed-up potentates feel by using the Constitution to overrule the will of the people. But "We, the People" are the only words free men should pay any attention to in that obsolete anti-democratic manifesto.

Having Muslims in this country is not a suicide pact. That's where your diatribe runs off the rails.

Banishing everyone of a particular religion is what the Nazis did in Germany during WWII. That is not going to happen here.

Your Time Is Up and You Will Be Heard No More

We need to banish the Gilded Godwin Gotcha Gang. No matter how loudly they chant their Kumbaya treason in their well-financed communes, the immigration laws they got their Daddies to make will be repealed and the Muslims' citizenship will be revoked.

You live in a bubble. Islam will not be banned in America. I don't care how deep your bigotry runs.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Restricted or NO Islamic immigration is a victory for LIBERTY & American values!

If you think that is a victory for American values, then you might as well take down that plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty.

Islam is the ONLY religion on earth that doesn't believe in the separation of religion & state & has a political ideology of CONQUEST!

Except that we're the only country going around the world making up bullshit reasons to invade sovereign nations.

It's also the only religion that has a religious code, Sharia law, that violates our Constitution & HORRIBLY oppresses minorities!

As you want to horribly oppress them.

Go look at what Muslims say themselves! Hundreds of millions worldwide either sympathize with terrorists or favor Sharia law or an Islamic state! Islam imposes itself on secular societies far more than any other religion on earth!

How much to we impose when we park the USS Ronald Reagan in some country's harbor?

The more Muslims you let in the more they start demanding Halal meat(which is very cruel),

Is that like Kobe beef?

prayer rooms, wash rooms, holidays off,

Hey, I like holidays off! With pay, for that matter.

single sex facilities, etc. Why is Islam the only religion that wants to dictate to society like this??

You're doing a pretty good job of dictating yourself.

Notice other religions don't impose themselves like this on secular societies!

Like the right trying to say this is a Christian nation?

I've even had Muslims tell me Islam is the most fanatical religion on earth!

Here is the study by a MUSLIM WOMAN on the millions & millions of Muslims who favor radicalism in Islam! It's by Raheel Raza called "By the numbers".

By the Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Numbers

Such a CANCER in society has NO place in America!!

So does hayseed-dickboy-inbred-redneck racists who like to make irresponsible statements.

Useful Idiots

Your avatar, Sam Kinison, opposed everything you stand for. It is typical of how the Left irrationally and aggressively claims that true patriots and true American values are all on their side. Also, the actual enablers of this Muslim invasion, which was allowed against the will of the majority you don't fit in, are the oil companies.You manipulated suckers think you are in opposition to the petrocratic plutocracy when you are its pawns.