Here is why Americans socialists hope to emulate Hitler.

[Robert W]

Nazism
Was Socialism done right ?

Socialism probably can exist and not go to war.
Here is a major problem to think about.
1. Humans are born with no morals.
2. Humans evolve morals and some do fine and some become criminals.
3. Socialists learn this as a skill.
4. When Socialists decide to force others to be socialists, then this can cause humans to fight others to enforce it.
5. Nazis evolved from socialists of peace to socialists making war.

 

[gipper]

I was when I was a Democrat. That changed over a several year span of intensive study.

LMFAO!

 

[Robert W]

LMFAO!

Why are you scared of a nuclear war? - Confederate Soldier
The state exists to enforce the dominance of Elites: everything else is propaganda,

You posted the above.
Can you actually explain why you are scared of a nuclear war? First who will start it and can the missiles be stopped so fast the war can't start? I believe they can be stopped first.

You tell us in your posts the state exists to enforce the dominance of elites.

YES of course and that is the basis of American Democrats. They preach to us they are superior. We must have them ruling us, they preach. They run us down all day long. To themselves they are elites. Republicans tried to solve this by giving the Government very little dominion over citizens. Though Washington and the founders in general ran things like Republicans like to, where the citizens actually were supreme above Government, Democrats flipped that to Democrats are our rulers and only they know how to Govern.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh Joe, stupid women dated you. How is her roots in communism working out?

Working out fine. Attack on family reported.

My former fiancee was very upset the night she called me in CA and I informed her I was going to marry my first wife in about 10 days. She messed up going out with a teacher and saying she lost her engagement ring. I instantly figured she was cheating.

Not sure how you could figure that by losing a ring.

Day after Mrs. B131 and I got married, I misplaced my wedding band (I don't normally wear rings, and it must have popped off when I was assembling a shelf for her.) Then I realized I didn't have it. You haven't seen someone so upset about losing a ring since Gollum!

Fortunately, we found it under a table where it had rolled. Our new rule is that we only wear the rings on formal occasions.

My main points about Adolph is he first got Germany out of a depression era though it was already coming out and explain why the Germans really loved that man. This of course was before Germany went to war starting WW2.

Naw, man, they loved him because he promised to avenge Germany on everyone who wronged her (France, Poland, the Jews) and he delivered... until he lost, anyway.

Romney being in the Church is who I voted for, worried how he handled MA. Frankly we dodged his bullet when he lost. Joe, you don't know Mormons at all. Seriously, you have a penchant to hate humans. You were right to be a Democrat. Democrats also hate humans.

Naw, I like most Humans... I just don't like members of your creepy cult or people who think their belief in a sky fairy gives them a right to act like a dick.

 

[JoeB131]

Let's see how many things the Creepy Mormon gets wrong.

Socialism probably can exist and not go to war.
Here is a major problem to think about.
1. Humans are born with no morals.
2. Humans evolve morals and some do fine and some become criminals.

No, actually, humans teach morals to each other, they don't evolve. Some people become criminals because of bad upbringing, others because they have something wrong with their brains.

The Aztecs developed a society that was absolutely insane, and they slaughtered people by the thousands to please their imaginary sky fairy. But most of them were fine with it until the Spaniards crushed them.

3. Socialists learn this as a skill.

Not sure how this connects to the first two points at all.

4. When Socialists decide to force others to be socialists, then this can cause humans to fight others to enforce it.

Uh, whaaaaaa?

5. Nazis evolved from socialists of peace to socialists making war.

Except the Nazis (despite their name) weren't socialists. "National Socialist" was a branding issue, as half the parties in Germany had "Nationalist" in their name and the other half had "Socialist". Before that they were known as the German Workers' Party and evolved from the Freikorps that battled the Communists and other revolutionaries. (As an aside, Hitler hated this name change).

 

[Failzero]

Let's see how many things the Creepy Mormon gets wrong.



No, actually, humans teach morals to each other, they don't evolve. Some people become criminals because of bad upbringing, others because they have something wrong with their brains.

The Aztecs developed a society that was absolutely insane, and they slaughtered people by the thousands to please their imaginary sky fairy. But most of them were fine with it until the Spaniards crushed them.



Not sure how this connects to the first two points at all.



Uh, whaaaaaa?



Except the Nazis (despite their name) weren't socialists. "National Socialist" was a branding issue, as half the parties in Germany had "Nationalist" in their name and the other half had "Socialist". Before that they were known as the German Workers' Party and evolved from the Freikorps that battled the Communists and other revolutionaries. (As an aside, Hitler hated this name change).

Germany from 1934-45 was a version of Socialism done right

 

[Robert W]

Let's see how many things the Creepy Mormon gets wrong.

You have let creepy communism in China get to you JoeB131

 

[Robert W]

No, actually, humans teach morals to each other, they don't evolve. Some people become criminals because of bad upbringing, others because they have something wrong with their brains.

JoeB131, you said what I said. Evolve when morals are taught to them Joe. I am not even saying you are wrong. As the forum nuisance, you hold that title.

 

[Robert W]

Except the Nazis (despite their name) weren't socialists. "National Socialist" was a branding issue, as half the parties in Germany had "Nationalist" in their name and the other half had "Socialist". Before that they were known as the German Workers' Party and evolved from the Freikorps that battled the Communists and other revolutionaries. (As an aside, Hitler hated this name change).

Your Communism attachment causes you to defend socialists only as you describe them but I am explaining how Hitler was recognized as a high level socialist.
Why did Hitler first sign peace deals with the Communists only to go to war against them? Because he was in my opinion going off the rails in the first place. He had a split personality.

Here are facts.
Germans loved the man. We know since they eagerly showed up at his rallies. So long as they were not Jews. Fortunately there were so few Jews in Germany his main Jew targets were in other countries. Early on he offered Jews transport to places including the USA. Fighting Franklin Roosevelt denied them entrance.

Summary. Americans only see just one side of Hitler. Followers of him add to confusion. Followers of communism as you are Joe, really did not understand Hitler and his loyal countrymen. Stick to Communists Joe. But even there to protect them, you won't admit that the Communists Soviets murdered maybe 25 million citizens in their own countries. Tip for you Joe. Stop defending both Hitler and Stalin.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

I suppose to you Biden and yes even Obama were so weak they were no threat at all. How long have you owned that EV pal?

No greater threat to the US than the Trump regime.

Elections happen in the multiple forms of Government. Democracies feature an important part. Citizens run the Government by voting.

The US does for the most part, except for the president.
538 people voting on behalf of millions of people.

A Republic like ours puts others in charge, humans who do not have to even listen to citizens. The USA clearly is no democracy.

We know.

No more in-person town halls, NRCC chief tells House ...​

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Mar 4, 2025 — The chair of the House GOP's campaign arm told Republican lawmakers Tuesday to stop holding in-person town halls amid a wave of angry backlash.

 

[JoeB131]

Creepy Mormons love Nazis... they are exactly the same, except Mormons are dumber.

you said what I said. Evolve when morals are taught to them Joe. I am not even saying you are wrong. As the forum nuisance, you hold that title.

Taught and Evolve are two different verbs, and a lot of Serial killers end up coming from what we would consider "Normal" families.

You know, like that Mormon who shot his entire family in 2023

Utah man kills eight members of his family after wife files for divorce

Police not looking for others after finding family, including five children, dead at home in southern Utah town of Enoch

www.theguardian.com

Dude you aren't getting into the Celestial Heaven that way.

our Communism attachment causes you to defend socialists only as you describe them but I am explaining how Hitler was recognized as a high level socialist.
Why did Hitler first sign peace deals with the Communists only to go to war against them? Because he was in my opinion going off the rails in the first place. He had a split personality.

That's an easy one. Hitler and Stalin signed an agreement to divy up Eastern Europe so Hitler could then turn around and concentrate on the west. Stalin got more territory and was able to sell massive amounts of raw materials to the Reich. But both sides knew it was only temporary.

Here are facts.
Germans loved the man. We know since they eagerly showed up at his rallies. So long as they were not Jews. Fortunately there were so few Jews in Germany his main Jew targets were in other countries. Early on he offered Jews transport to places including the USA. Fighting Franklin Roosevelt denied them entrance.

You are a little confused here. By 1938, the US was banning almost ALL immigrants, not just the Jews. Hitler's original plan was to send them to Palestine, but the Arabs didn't want them (for good reason, as we can see today) and the British didn't want to antagonize the Arabs and ruin their business opportunities.

Summary. Americans only see just one side of Hitler. Followers of him add to confusion. Followers of communism as you are Joe, really did not understand Hitler and his loyal countrymen. Stick to Communists Joe. But even there to protect them, you won't admit that the Communists Soviets murdered maybe 25 million citizens in their own countries. Tip for you Joe. Stop defending both Hitler and Stalin.

Actually, I had family in Germany during the war. I had one Great Uncle who was a low-level NSDAP member, and a first cousin, once removed who served in the Wehrmacht and died on the Eastern Front.

Hitler, much like Trump, is what happens when a people stop believing in Democracy and rule of law. Hopefully, it won't end as badly for us as it did for them, but it will end badly. And some shithead like you will be saying "Trump wasn't that bad!"

 

[Robert W]

You know, like that Mormon who shot his entire family in 2023

Unknown to me story. So any killer that murders his family is automatically a Mormon? Have you thought you saying that ought to make California who has more mormons than does Utah a well known place where Mormons daily kill their families. Got proof Prejudiced bigot JoeB131?

 

[Robert W]

Hitler, much like Trump, is what happens when a people stop believing in Democracy and rule of law. Hopefully, it won't end as badly for us as it did for them, but it will end badly. And some shithead like you will be saying "Trump wasn't that bad!"

Hitler and his economy, though his was better, actually resembles the FDR economy. FDR also got improvements primarily due to Hitler's wars from 1939 forward. Trump definitely is not promoting war. I have spoken against Trump for pertinent things, such as he is bragging in my opinion far too often and my concern is he will lose Republicans. Trump got the border essentially closed. We do not need illegal aliens. And our laws demand they not come in. Legal aliens are of high supply. We have legal aliens of about 2.6 million annually. Those add to so called needed labor. Language problems for very many so the law takes care of that problem.
Why can't you discuss the economy of Hitler? If we were a democracy Joe, you would daily vote on pending regulations and laws. So you vote daily?

You are a little confused here. By 1938, the US was banning almost ALL immigrants, not just the Jews. Hitler's original plan was to send them to Palestine, but the Arabs didn't want them (for good reason, as we can see today) and the British didn't want to antagonize the Arabs and ruin their business opportunities.

You are extremely confused. There was no such country as Palestine.
Study the lesson of the ship the St. Louis which took Jews not to British Palestine, but to the Caribbean. Those islands would not let the ship stay in port offloading Jews. So a different Port in the US was dictated to by Roosevelt to not let any in. The ship was forced back to Germany. FDR could have saved them.

The British Mandate for Palestine, established by the League of Nations in 1920, formalized British rule over parts of the Levant and tasked Britain with creating a "national home for the Jewish people" in the region, as outlined in the Balfour Declaration. This mandate also included provisions for the development of self-governing institutions and the safeguarding of civil and religious rights for all inhabitants, irrespective of race or religion. The British administration aimed to implement these provisions, but the mandate also faced challenges and contradictions, particularly regarding Jewish immigration and land acquisition.
1917 – 1947: British mandate
Palestine was among former Ottoman territories placed under UK administration by the League of Nations in 1922. All of these territories eventually became fully independent States, except Palestine, where in addition to “the rendering of administrative assistance and advice” the British Mandate incorporated the “Balfour Declaration” of 1917, expressing support for “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people”. During the Mandate, from 1922 to 1947, large-scale Jewish immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe took place, the numbers swelling in the 1930s with the Nazi persecution. Arab demands for independence and resistance to immigration led to a rebellion in 1937, followed by continuing terrorism and violence from both sides. UK considered various formulas to bring independence to a land ravaged by violence. In 1947, the UK turned the Palestine problem over to the UN. Read more.

1947 – 1977: Partition plan, 1948, 1967, 1973 wars, inalienable rights
After looking at alternatives, the UN proposed terminating the Mandate and partitioning Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized (Resolution 181 (II) of 1947). One of the two envisaged States proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war involving neighbouring Arab States expanded to 77 percent of the territory of mandate Palestine, including the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half of the Palestinian Arab population fled or were expelled. Jordan and Egypt controlled the rest of the territory assigned by resolution 181 to the Arab State. In the 1967 war, Israel occupied these territories (Gaza Strip and the West Bank) including East Jerusalem, which was subsequently annexed by Israel. The war brought about a second exodus of Palestinians, estimated at half a million. Security Council Resolution 242 (1967) formulated the principles of a just and lasting peace, including an Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in the conflict, a just settlement of the refugee problem, and the termination of all claims or states of belligerency. The 1973 hostilities were followed by Security Council Resolution 338, which inter alia called for peace negotiations between the parties concerned. In 1974 the General Assembly reaffirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, national independence, sovereignty, and to return. The following year, the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People and conferred on the PLO the status of observer in the Assembly and in UN conferences. Read more.
In more recent years

 

[Robert W]

You know, like that Mormon who shot his entire family in 2023

The article by Guardian really attacked members of the church from your own article. Killers like that man have a screw loose.
So you read the left's paper called the Guardian.
Joe, you mentioned missionaries. But never what they did. Did you get a blow job?

 

[Robert W]

Creepy Mormons love Nazis... they are exactly the same, except Mormons are dumber.



Taught and Evolve are two different verbs, and a lot of Serial killers end up coming from what we would consider "Normal" families.

You know, like that Mormon who shot his entire family in 2023

Utah man kills eight members of his family after wife files for divorce

Police not looking for others after finding family, including five children, dead at home in southern Utah town of Enoch

www.theguardian.com

Dude you aren't getting into the Celestial Heaven that way.

What a lawyer said JoeB131

James Park, who represented Haight in the divorce case, said she had not expressed any fear that her husband would physically hurt her. Park declined to elaborate, citing the investigation into the killings. He said he met with Haight only twice, mostly recently on Tuesday, and she “was an incredibly nice lady”.

The home where the victims were found was decorated with Christmas lights and located in a neighborhood of newly built single-family houses on a ridge overlooking Enoch. It has a view of houses with snow-covered roofs and mountains in the distance. Half the surrounding block was cordoned off by police tape.

The town is on the outskirts of Cedar City, a historically agricultural area being transformed by new subdivisions. Cattle and sheep line the highway at the edge of town, along with signs that advertise “custom new homes” and recreation in southern Utah’s famous national parks.
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Joe I owned a loan mortgage firm and lenders love to lend to husbands and wives with great credit. This killer shocked the town they lived in. You seem to blame innocents in church though they never were involved. BIGOT!!!!!