Here Comes the Gun and Speech Legislation

[The Rabbi]

hey, so maybe i'm wrong here, but it just doesnt make sense to me

Which part doesn't make sense?

My A&D book contains 20 lines with 26 pages in it. Every firearm that comes through my shop must go through that book. About 90% go out on a form 4473 to a private citizen (others go out to dealers in other states in online sales). I have filled more than 4 of those books in nearly 5 years. In about 75% of those sales I have sold ammo as well. Otherwise the customer already had that caliber of ammunition at home or sometimes I gave him some as a premium. In no case in nearly 5 years did the customer load the gun and then attempt to use it on me. Nor has that ever happened to my knowledge. I tisn't the people passing the background check you have to worry about.

 

[Capitalist]

James Taranto, the editor of the OpinionJournal.com and author of its popular Best of the Web Today column at The Wall Street Journal. Tonight Taranto questioned Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik’s culpability in the Arizona supermarket slaughter.

James Taranto:

“I’d like to make one additional point on Sheriff Dupnik. I think we’re missing the point when we’re talking about his political agenda. This man and this suspect has had previous contact with the sheriff’s office. It looks to me, we don’t have many details on this, but it looks as though he slipped between the cracks. I think what we really need to look into is what happened when he had previous contact with the sheriff’s office with their negligence here. And, I think the sheriff is trying to distract from that question.”

 

[teapartysamurai]

Here's the money quote that reveals what Brady really wants:

"The rhetoric is just ramped up so negatively, so high, that we have got to shut this down," Brady said.

Dem planning bill that would outlaw threats to lawmakers - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Translation:

"We couldn't stop the Tea Party and we lost really bad during the election. We have to shut down any criticism in the future. We have to intimidate them and pass laws that jail them. We have to shut them up!"

Liberals are all about rights, huh? Give them a tragedy and they will immediately go into action trying to use it to shut up their opposition.

Fascists!

They have more in common with Loughner than the Tea Party. Loughner likes Mein Kampf and the Dems are taking a page right out of it and the Communist Manifesto.

 

[chanel]

Outlawing mental illness would have prevented this tragedy. Coming next? Errrrr!

 

[Neotrotsky]

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Here's the money quote that reveals what Brady really wants:

"The rhetoric is just ramped up so negatively, so high, that we have got to shut this down," Brady said.

Dem planning bill that would outlaw threats to lawmakers - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

Translation:

"We couldn't stop the Tea Party and we lost really bad during the election. We have to shut down any criticism in the future. We have to intimidate them and pass laws that jail them. We have to shut them up!"

Liberals are all about rights, huh? Give them a tragedy and they will immediately go into action trying to use it to shut up their opposition.

Fascists!

They have more in common with Loughner than the Tea Party. Loughner likes Mein Kampf and the Dems are taking a page right out of it and the Communist Manifesto.

While I don't disagree with everything you said-I'm sick of people comparing Democrats to Communists-it's just inaccurate. What was Vietnam fought over? What caused the Cold War? What was one aspect of the Korean war? Answer: Communism. What party started/escalated these events? The Democrats.

Hitler had nothing to do with Communism, anybody who's studied history, and understands what Communism is, and what Hitler did in Germany will tell you that. It's like calling somebody a socialist, then a communist in the same breath-you can't be a politician and be both-be they're two separates systems and ideals.

I do think the Democrats are using this for political gain-absolutely. But let's at least look at the issue rationally.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

According to Glenn Beck yesterday revolutions are fought in a political arena so, I guess we would still be in England. Anyone who believes Obama is not natural born and the gov't is involved with violence, and death against the Republic to promote its own twisted agenda, is nuts or mentally disturbed. As a matter of fact, my college sociological textbook demonstrated where the gov't perpetrated many acts of covert violence and death against us and foreign countries to promote its own agenda.... Maybe a good revolution is needed every now and then...Thomas Jefferson?

The progressives would of gave most of our Founders mental diagnoses to quell their revolutionary movement.... Millions of Americans today are either already diagnosed, or are getting diagnosed with some type of mental or emotional disorder.

So, where do we as a nation of so-called free people draw the line in the sand?

Glenn Beck is scared of losing his family and new found wealth just like many others so, I understand where his progressive slant originates. Many of us have all ready lost it all and have no where to go and nothing to lose, and Ghandi was not an American nor lived in an armed Republic....India has not turned from tyranny....

I believe in organized revolution to protect and restore our Republic if political options no longer work for the best interests of our free Republic...just like our Founders, and not individually random or gov't orchastrated acts of violence and death against the American public used to destroy our freedoms and our Republic....

Where is the Wisdom to know the difference, and where do we draw the line?

Arizona Shooting Coverage Is a Media Campaign to Criminalize Conservatism

Arizona Shooting Coverage Is a Media Campaign to Criminalize Conservatism

Gabrielle Giffords | NewsBusters.org

 

[saveliberty]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

 

[rightwinger]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

Agree...

They were probably more threatened than anyone

 

[zeitgeist2012]

Until someone sticks a knife to your throats...I guess we wont have knife control....

 

[cutter]

Guns and talk shows aren't the problem. Congress and crazy people are the problem. When Congress passes health care that nobody wants, bail out banks whose managers made billions in commissions making risky investments, Ignore the American people that are begging the Government to close the borders, and then the Congressman in Kalifornia stands up at a public meeting and tells everyone Congress can do pretty much anything it wants and there's nothing we can do about it, well sometimes the mentally unstable strike out in ways none of us like.
It's just my opinion but I think if Congress would carry out the will of the people things like this wouldn't happen.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

Well said.... We are all capable of insanity under certain circumstances....

 

[M14 Shooter]

According to Glenn Beck yesterday revolutions are fought in a political arena so, I guess we would still be in England.

What you fail to realive here is that the American Revolution ended once the fighting started.

 

[zeitgeist2012]

"We have to be very careful of this government. Does anyone recall a speech made where Obama said he wanted a "Civilian National Defense Force" which would be much larger and better equipped than our military? Why would any government want their own goon squad? It has been his own plan all along to bring this country down. All of our representatives are guilty of treason. They have not upheld their oath to protect our Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic and they are all guilty of treason against this government and the people. Our Constitution and the sovereignty of this nation means nothing to them. Does top down bottom up remind you of anything? I have had many people tell me the crap was going to hit the fan and to be ready. That was almost a year ago, but are any of us really ready? The surge in people buying weapons and ammuntion should be telling us all something. I have even had law enforcement officers telling me to be ready because sooner or later it was going to hit the fan.

We all know that this administration would like nothing better than to take all of our weapons, they know what is coming and fear an armed citizenry because it is all about control. They want to use the U.N to do their dirty work because they know they cannot do it themselves. Have you been watching the systematic takeover of the auto manufacturers, banks, and our healthcare, and probably many other things we have not seen? It is time to get them all out of office if we can. But you can bet on one thing, this administration wants to bring this country down to its knees and create a One World Government and the only way they can do that is to destroy what we have now!"

I went to a nursing home yesterday and got into a conversation with a couple residents about the state of affairs in our country, and one elderly lady said that when she came to our country in`46' things were good, and people could make a life for themselves. She further said that she has never seen things so bad in this country where people can't even get a job and the gov't is labelling everyone as crazy or locking them up. She said we need a revolution and the other senior residents concurred....

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

The entire neighborhood was aware he had a problem, yet the police are acting like this is all news to them. Do you seriously think that no one, including his parents, tried to get him help?

 

[JamesInFlorida]

Guns and talk shows aren't the problem. Congress and crazy people are the problem. When Congress passes health care that nobody wants, bail out banks whose managers made billions in commissions making risky investments, Ignore the American people that are begging the Government to close the borders, and then the Congressman in Kalifornia stands up at a public meeting and tells everyone Congress can do pretty much anything it wants and there's nothing we can do about it, well sometimes the mentally unstable strike out in ways none of us like.
It's just my opinion but I think if Congress would carry out the will of the people things like this wouldn't happen.

I agree guns aren't the problem. To be fair a lot of people want the health care reform-Obama ran on it (actually he ran on a single-payer system, then promoted a government option before settling for less). 46% to 40% (with a surprisingly large 14% with no opinion) doesn't qualify as health care that "nobody wants".

Gallup Poll: U.S. split on health care law repeal - USATODAY.com

Are you really suggesting that the government should allow the US banking system to fail? What would have happened to all the millions and millions and millions of Americans who had money stored in those banks? I think they should have absolutely put stricter rules in place of the banks (their current interest rates are a complete joke), but to let them fail? That would have an even more horrid effect on the economy.

Carrying out the will of half the population isn't carrying out the will of the American people.

 

[rightwinger]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

The entire neighborhood was aware he had a problem, yet the police are acting like this is all news to them. Do you seriously think that no one, including his parents, tried to get him help?

I would like to hear from the parents also. He was obviously unstable. How could the parents allow him to have a gun in the house?

 

[DiveCon]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

The entire neighborhood was aware he had a problem, yet the police are acting like this is all news to them. Do you seriously think that no one, including his parents, tried to get him help?

I would like to hear from the parents also. He was obviously unstable. How could the parents allow him to have a gun in the house?

is it not possible they didnt know he had a gun?

 

[rightwinger]

The entire neighborhood was aware he had a problem, yet the police are acting like this is all news to them. Do you seriously think that no one, including his parents, tried to get him help?

I would like to hear from the parents also. He was obviously unstable. How could the parents allow him to have a gun in the house?

is it not possible they didnt know he had a gun?

Guess we will find out. Parents will release a statement today. They do not sound like bad people

 

[westwall]

You'd have to be crazy to oppose gun control on mentally unstable owners.

I think the parents need to face some type of charge. They clearly were aware of the shooter's problem and the fact he owned a gun.

The entire neighborhood was aware he had a problem, yet the police are acting like this is all news to them. Do you seriously think that no one, including his parents, tried to get him help?

I would like to hear from the parents also. He was obviously unstable. How could the parents allow him to have a gun in the house?

How about the Sheriff of Pima County? It is being reported that this asshole had uttered multiple death threats against lots of people in the county and the sheriff did nothing about it. In CA death threats are a felony. I don't know what the laws are in AZ however. Regardless if there was indeed as much contact between the SO and this numbskull, the sheriff is going to have some tough questions to answer. Might explain his blizzard of publicity blaming the various media outlets.