Naa, there are just those of us who are enlightened and those of you who are not...
Hello from a libertarian-- And a question!
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Naa, there are just those of us who are enlightened and those of you who are not...
I think the POVs pretty much all over the board.
Few people really fit into the neat little political caracatures that a single word like liberal or conservative (or libertarian for that matter) can describe.
Looks to me like every body wants change, but we cannot agree what ultimate outcome we'd like, neither can we agree on how to arrive at that outcome.
There's a whole lotta "I love my country but I hate my government" from all over the political range of opinions here.
And while many of us are obviously partisans, many of us are also of the opinion that both parties are toxis shams, too.
Personally I think this place leans a little more heavily in the direction of authoritian control a al the value system of very conservative Christians, but naturally those players see themselves as lovers of a kind of individualism and a kind of limited freedom that they personally approve of.
None of us appear to me to be completely 100% anything, really.
For example, many people here whose rice bowls are send by the FED also claim that they loathe the goverment and love capitalism.
This despite the fact that some of them have never actually been involved in capitalism given that they have been employed by the government via the military.
Many of us, for example, object to welfare, but don't seem to mind that welfare given to corporations in the form of fat and lucrative Federal contracts, obscene tax breaks, or policies that are obviously not designed to benefit the nation as a whole.
I think what you'll find here is the confused, often self -contradictory POVs of people who have been exposed to a lifetime of slander, liberal, half lies, outright lies and false prophecies.
I think most people here are essantially decent folks who are responding honestly as they can given their limited -- usually headline-driven bumper sticker logic --of events and conditions this nation/world is facing.
And then of course there are our resident trolls.
You'll know them by all the typical tricks that trolls play.
Mostly you'll reconognize them by the fact that they focus their primary attention not on the topics at hand but rather on trying to hurt the feelings of their fellow posters, by ad hominen assaults, and by posting outlandish opinions designed to cause hard feelings and heated (usually stupid) debates.
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Harry Dresden
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Oh no, not another librarian...
Oh.
oh.....i thought he/she said Libertarian..........what Library?.....
Hi Harry.
hi Sarah....
Harry Dresden
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except Dean.....he 100% hates Republicans.....
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It's a fairly even share of cons and libs. There's only a small portion of librs, and most are conservative themselves.
As far as the wingnuts go, imo there are a few more left wingnuts. But we had a new addition a short time back that may have evened things out by himself.
Anyway,
from a center right conservative.
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JWBooth
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Greetings from an early 19th century reactionary Hayek/Rothbard/Misesian. Rand was a statist. Lysander Spooner had it all figured out.
yota5
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Welcome. You'll find a diversity of opinions here. I'm an independent who is leans to towards conservatism. I look forward to debating you on the issues.
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edthecynic
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Hi there Drei. I think you will find this board leans Right. While there may be an equal amount of openly Lefties and Righties, most of the so called independents lean Right and vote GOP.
I'm a lifelong registered Independent who is one of the less than 2% that votes 3rd Party or write-in. While many here complain about both Parties, they still vote for one or the other. No alternative to the two corporate Parties will ever arise until the dissatisfied stop voting for them and vote 3rd Party or write-in rather than stay home or vote the lesser of two evils. Until the percentage of dissatisfied voters gets larger, no alternative will arise.
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Harry Dresden
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Del is a chick?.....
.....did somebody tell HIM?.....im sure he would like to know this.....what makes you split from paul?
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Quite simply, I "split" from Paul in that I am consistent in my libertarianism. Ron Paul will tell you that the free market can provide any good or resource more cheaply and more efficiently than the state.
If he really meant that, he would include police protection, law courts, and national defense as goods and services that are at present monopolized by the government, which could be provided more cheaply and more efficiently on the market. But then he'd be an anarchist, like me.
Also, unlike Ron Paul and his disgusting son, I acknowledge a woman's right to her body.
Quite simply, I "split" from Paul in that I am consistent in my libertarianism. Ron Paul will tell you that the free market can provide any good or resource more cheaply and more efficiently than the state.
If he really meant that, he would include police protection, law courts, and national defense as goods and services that are at present monopolized by the government, which could be provided more cheaply and more efficiently on the market. But then he'd be an anarchist, like me.
Also, unlike Ron Paul and his disgusting son, I acknowledge a woman's right to her body.
look to somalia to see how well private police forces and local security works...
I'm gonna have to check with Del, find out when he had the sex change. I bet he's posing for Tranny Today...........
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Quite simply, I "split" from Paul in that I am consistent in my libertarianism. Ron Paul will tell you that the free market can provide any good or resource more cheaply and more efficiently than the state.
If he really meant that, he would include police protection, law courts, and national defense as goods and services that are at present monopolized by the government, which could be provided more cheaply and more efficiently on the market. But then he'd be an anarchist, like me.
Also, unlike Ron Paul and his disgusting son, I acknowledge a woman's right to her body.
look to somalia to see how well private police forces and local security works...
Actually, according the the UN, since the collapse of the authoritarian Barre regime, quality of life in Somalia has improved by almost every conceivable standard. It's true that Somalia isn't exactly a Utopia, but the most important question to ask when evaluating any social system is: compared to what? Compared to a post-industrial Western nation? Yeah, Somalia pretty much sucks. Compared to the authoritarian socialism it suffered under in the 1980s? Living conditions have approved almost across the board. In fact, its doing better than many of the neighboring states.
Source: http://www.peterleeson.com/better_off_stateless.pdf
But, even putting all of that aside, Somalia's government collapsed suddenly after a failed coup. Comparing the ensuing Somalian crisis, which has been unfolding for the last 20 years, to an explicit political philosophy is just reckless equivocation. I am not advocating a "Somalian" form of anarchism. No anarchist, left or right, anywhere does. That would be like if a mysterious virus suddenly killed every priest in the world-- if that happened, you wouldn't have atheism, you'd have a bunch of dead priests. Similarly, in Somalia, you don't have anarchism, you have (for the most part) chaos.
What I advocate is a slow, multi-generational transition between statism and a conscious, philosophically-based, rational anarchism. Comparing the Somalian crisis to an explicit political philosophy is, once again, just reckless equivocation.
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