Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine, Navarro vs Fauci

[BULLDOG]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Given that fact that Trump and his team did essentially nothing until March 13th (outside of a restriction on travel from China on January 31st), that would be making the current disaster into an unmitigated disaster. Sure. I'll pay attention to the Trump sycophants and not the doctors. Look, they're just digging for any sliver of a rope that can pull them out of this. As if dropping these drugs from the sky will magically cure the virus. That's just plain dangerous. And it won't save Trump from the fate he so richly deserves in November.

Fauci himself said this wasnt a threat as late as January 21st. So, he was taking HIS information, as was the rest of the world, from Chinese Communists and W.H.O Chinese Communist water carriers.

See my other posting in politics, I posted Faucis interview from Jan 21st.

 

[JLW]

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

9000 dead, Trump hasn't been listening to the right people.

Here is Fauci in a Jan 21st interview:

GREG KELLY: Bottom line. We don’t have to worry about this one right?

FAUCI: Well obviously we have to take it seriously and follow the things the CDC an DHS are doing but this is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States right now should be worried about.

Tucker Carlson: Dr. Fauci Is Suggesting "National Suicide"

I noticed you missed the words "right now" or that it should be taken seriously.

What makes your post schizophrenic is that you then link to a source where Fauci is accused of taking it too seriously.

Make up ya damn mind.

 

[BULLDOG]

The woman I know here in the Orlando area had pneumonia and liver failure and the malaria drug among others worked for her.

How exactly do you define "WORKED" ? Was she diagnosed with Covid 19?

Yes

Amazing. Have there been other people with liver failure and pneumonia, but didn't have this miracle cure, that survived?

 

[Muhammed]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

No doctors are prescribing Payday candy bars for COVID-19. What do all of those doctors know that you don't?

THINK!

 

[Redfish]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

in the places it has been used in controlled tests on infected people it has worked. It may not be the end-all drug, but it works on many people. It has been around for 50 years or more and is cheap and available, why not use it? Answer: because its available and cheap, so big pharma who funds most of the democrats, cannot make billions on it. Follow the money, suckers.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The woman I know here in the Orlando area had pneumonia and liver failure and the malaria drug among others worked for her.

How exactly do you define "WORKED" ? Was she diagnosed with Covid 19?

Yes

Amazing. Have there been other people with liver failure and pneumonia, but didn't have this miracle cure, that survived?

What answer would you like that will be politically pleasing to you? Would you like her name and phone number? She was in the hospital for a week. Sunday to Saturday. Her symptoms peaked Monday. They pumped her with that malaria drug since Sunday and she is now better and at home. I’m not blaming it on Obama.

 

[Redfish]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

actually there is, and more coming out every day.

 

[eagle1462010]

I know this much, Navarro has been a hawk on China, well ahead of the game in terms of what threat they pose to the world. The guy I probably most trust in his administration to stay the course on confronting abusers of America.

Fauci, has been getting sunshine shined up his behind by CNN in particular for some time. This article was co-written by that guy in high school who I would expect to rat someone out to the teacher if he heard them curse in gym class, Jim Acosta. I think Fauci seeks the spotlight too often and he is a little too sure of himself for my tastes for this type of situation with many unknowns. I'm glad when Trump calls him out about wanting to shut the country down for 2 years, I think it's an odd, broad position to take considering how some states are far less impacted by this virus than others.

Heated disagreement breaks out in Situation Room over hydroxychloroquine

(CNN)There was a heated disagreement in the Situation Room this weekend over the efficacy of the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine -- but multiple sources say it was mostly one-sided, as President Donald Trump's top trade adviser Peter Navarro feuded with other officials over the drug's unproven effectiveness to treat coronavirus.

The debate is not a new one inside the coronavirus task force -- and medical experts have repeatedly explained to the President that there is a risk in enthusiastically touting hydroxychloroquine in case the drug doesn't ultimately work to combat the virus. But other aides and outside advisers have sided with Trump, including Navarro, who is still not a formal part of the task force but has wedged himself into the meetings.

Axios first reported on the disagreement inside the White House about the drug.

While discussing the latest on hydroxychloroquine this weekend, an exasperated Navarro lashed out at Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the advisers who has urged caution about the drug, a person familiar with the meeting told CNN.

Fauci's been good to have in our corner but OTOH reminds me of that saying "When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail". He's too insular. Trump is wise to bring other people in and listen.

Yeah, let's listen to what the economist has to say over the health care professional with over 50 years experience during a pandemic.

Yeah, let's stay in our houses like hermits for two years. Brilliant plan. There will be NO viruses left likely, but also, no economy. And no America.

Great idea. Brilliant.

You should find a packed church and go hang out in there for about a week. But straight home after that, we don't want you infecting any other people.

Ah, the wonderful heart of a liberal. You disagree with me, so get that virus we hate and infect your family.

The difference between you and me, you absolute cretin? I don't want ANYONE to get the virus. Really. No...I mean it...really. Not even you.

CNN Breaking News headline.............LOL

Axios broke the story......

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Inside the epic White House blowup over "game-changer" hydroxychloroquine

The drama pitted economic adviser Peter Navarro against infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci.

www.axios.com

Navarro started raising his voice, and at one point accused Fauci of objecting to Trump's travel restrictions, saying, "You were the one who early on objected to the travel restrictions with China," saying that travel restrictions don't work. (Navarro was one of the earliest to push the China travel ban.)

• Fauci looked confused, according to a source in the room. After Trump imposed the travel restrictions, Fauci has publicly praised the president's restriction on travel from China.
• Pence was trying to moderate the heated discussion. "It was pretty clear that everyone was just trying to get Peter to sit down and stop being so confrontational," said one of the sources.

Meetings on discussions to determine policy are CLASSIFIED until DECLASSIFIED in this room.

Who the hell is LEAKING THIS SHIT.........They CAN BE CHARGED under the Espionage act.

 

[InstantOn]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

in the places it has been used in controlled tests on infected people it has worked. It may not be the end-all drug, but it works on many people. It has been around for 50 years or more and is cheap and available, why not use it? Answer: because its available and cheap, so big pharma who funds most of the democrats, cannot make billions on it. Follow the money, suckers.

As long as there remains an adequate supply where it's needed for those with Lupus.

 

[BULLDOG]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

actually there is, and more coming out every day.

Please site the scientifically verified data.

 

[eagle1462010]

Why are private CLASSIFIED MEETINGS being sent to the press still.............

Anybody..............who the hell is the LEAKER.......these MEETINGS ARE CLASSIFIED.

 

[eagle1462010]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

actually there is, and more coming out every day.

Please site the scientifically verified data.

Why should we..........I posted tons of it yesterday............giving it to you to read is like taking a dump in a Port o let..........

It is being studied......and it is working in this World.......the New YODA CHAMP isn't the only expert in the world.......MANY DISAGREE.

 

[eagle1462010]

I'll say this again.............Who the hell should be cuffed and escorted to jail for violations of the ESPIONAGE ACT..........along with Axios.............

Who is leaking CLASSIFIED MEETINGS?

 

[colfax_m]

in the places it has been used in controlled tests on infected people it has worked.

This is false. There have been no controlled tests done.

 

[colfax_m]

Meetings on discussions to determine policy are CLASSIFIED until DECLASSIFIED in this room.

Nothing in this reporting has any business being classified. Presidents like to misuse “national security” to maintain secrecy for political purposes.

 

[BULLDOG]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

actually there is, and more coming out every day.

Please site the scientifically verified data.

Why should we..........I posted tons of it yesterday............giving it to you to read is like taking a dump in a Port o let..........

It is being studied......and it is working in this World.......the New YODA CHAMP isn't the only expert in the world.......MANY DISAGREE.

Sorry, but you just aren't credible enough for me to keep a running tab on the crap you post. If you have a credible source, post it. If not STFU.

 

[Fueri]

The treatment shows promise. Obviously there is little data, as there has not been time to set up typical studies, but the NIH put this out:

ETA: These are results of a French study.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial - PubMed

Despite its small sample size, our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

'Abstract
BACKGROUND:
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
French Confirmed COVID-19 patients were included in a single arm protocol from early March to March 16th, to receive 600mg of hydroxychloroquine daily and their viral load in nasopharyngeal swabs was tested daily in a hospital setting. Depending on their clinical presentation, azithromycin was added to the treatment. Untreated patients from another center and cases refusing the protocol were included as negative controls. Presence and absence of virus at Day6-post inclusion was considered the end point.
RESULTS:
Six patients were asymptomatic, 22 had upper respiratory tract infection symptoms and eight had lower respiratory tract infection symptoms. Twenty cases were treated in this study and showed a significant reduction of the viral carriage at D6-post inclusion compared to controls, and much lower average carrying duration than reported of untreated patients in the literature. Azithromycin added to hydroxychloroquine was significantly more efficient for virus elimination.
CONCLUSION:
Despite its small sample size our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin."

 

[eagle1462010]

I thought this thread was about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine. If so, there is no debate. Fauci is correct. No scientifically verified data supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is an effective treatment for CV-19. Full stop.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is never an effective treatment for Covid-19.

There is no scientifically verified data that supports the hypothesis that hydroxychloroquine is any more effective as a treatment for Covid-19 than a Payday candy bar is.

actually there is, and more coming out every day.

Please site the scientifically verified data.

Why should we..........I posted tons of it yesterday............giving it to you to read is like taking a dump in a Port o let..........

It is being studied......and it is working in this World.......the New YODA CHAMP isn't the only expert in the world.......MANY DISAGREE.

Sorry, but you just aren't credible enough for me to keep a running tab on the crap you post. If you have a credible source, post it. If not STFU.

You STFU.........who the fuck is leaking Classified meetings.

Limited supply may scupper proposals to use antimalarials to ward off Covid-19

Limited global supplies may scupper proposals to use the antimalarial drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, to lessen the symptoms of Covid-19 infection or ward it off altogether, say Italian doctors in a letter published online today in the Annals of the Rheumatic Diseases.

www.eurekalert.org

News Archive Search | EurekAlert! Science News

Bayer Donates 3 Million Chloroquine Tablets in Fight Against Coronavirus

Bayer AG announced it donated 3 million tablets of Resochin to the U.S. amid testimonies that it could potentially treat coronavirus.

www.breitbart.com

Bayer Donates 3 Million Chloroquine Tablets in Fight Against Coronavirus

Bayer AG announced it donated 3 million tablets of Resochin to the U.S. amid testimonies that it could potentially treat coronavirus.

www.breitbart.com

2021-01-20 12:29 | Archive of HHS – About News

www.hhs.gov

 

[eagle1462010]

Meetings on discussions to determine policy are CLASSIFIED until DECLASSIFIED in this room.

Nothing in this reporting has any business being classified. Presidents like to misuse “national security” to maintain secrecy for political purposes.

These meetings ARE CLASSIFIED.......PERIOD.....They are Presidential meetings to DECIDE POLICY......Arguments happen there.........and unless they are UNCLASSIFIED.......it is A FELONY TO RELEASE THIS INFORMATION

So WHO NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL?