Health care overhaul insures 2.5 million more young adults

[Steelplate]

Republicans have the best solution...

Let them die

Just a typical partisan hack response, leftwinger. You should make a bumper sticker out of that...oh wait, that ship has already sailed.

There can be a safetynet solution just for those who do fall through the cracks, for a small percentage of what we will be paying.

Exactly. As a taxpayer I don't mind paying for those that cannot by no fault of thier own...what I do object to are those that have made the Safety net a hammock, and have taken up residence, when they are perfectly able to contribute themselves but take the coward's way out...and become moochers.

How many people do you think that is T? Just curious...

 

[Meister]

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

"Obamacare" is a fabricated term. It doesn't refer to anything, certainly not a payer. So no.

Sounds more like your parsing a word, greenbeard. Poor attempt at a spin.

 

[francoHFW]

But, no one will be turned away in an emergency room, Flopper...just as it is now.
Obamacare will pick up the tab on it...even when they advertised that illegals aren't covered.

EMTALA is 25 years old. It has nothing to do with Obama, as he was a recent college grad when Reagan signed it.

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

Anything's cheaper than the ER care (bankruptcy, Welfare to get Medicaid, no cost control at ALL) we pay for now, DUMBAZZ. LOL. Pub dupes!

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans have the best solution...

Let them die

Just a typical partisan hack response, leftwinger. You should make a bumper sticker out of that...oh wait, that ship has already sailed.

There can be a safetynet solution just for those who do fall through the cracks, for a small percentage of what we will be paying.

Exactly. As a taxpayer I don't mind paying for those that cannot by no fault of thier own...what I do object to are those that have made the Safety net a hammock, and have taken up residence, when they are perfectly able to contribute themselves but take the coward's way out...and become moochers.

The moochers are those who duck buying health insurance and show up in Emergency Rooms seeking treatment. The moochers are the idiots who have ignored our out of control healthcare system

 

[Greenbeard]

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

"Obamacare" is a fabricated term. It doesn't refer to anything, certainly not a payer. So no.

Sounds more like your parsing a word, greenbeard. Poor attempt at a spin.

Just pointing out that you didn't ask me anything. Are you asking if that piece of legislation pays for uncompensated ER visits? Again, the answer is no.

 

[Trajan]

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

"Obamacare" is a fabricated term. It doesn't refer to anything, certainly not a payer. So no.

Sounds more like your parsing a word, greenbeard. Poor attempt at a spin.

thats his game. I ever tell you of the time we had a hash out on whether the plan to open up HC coverage to these 26 years olds would actually incur a cost?.....real live money?

12 posts it took me to box him till....he had to admit yes, it would.

 

[rightwinger]

give me a Christmas present RW, stop being a jackass...ok? wait till new years then pick up where you left off....

Republicans have been blocking healthcare reform for over 20 years. After blocking Clinton from establishing a universal healthcare program and promising they would develop a better system, they did NOTHING

Once they took Congress, they blocked healthcare for 15 more years. Now their Repeal and Replace has become just Repeal

Let them die is an accurate description of Republican healthcare policy

yea like they blocked hillary care..right?

Let them die is an accurate description of Republican healthcare policy

no, thats just you being stupid.

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

Once they kil a healthcare bill, they do whatever it takes to block a replacement

Let them die is the GOP healthcare policy

 

[Meister]

EMTALA is 25 years old. It has nothing to do with Obama, as he was a recent college grad when Reagan signed it.

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

Anything's cheaper than the ER care (bankruptcy, Welfare to get Medicaid, no cost control at ALL) we pay for now, DUMBAZZ. LOL. Pub dupes!

Looks like the board idiot has appeared.

 

[The T]

Just a typical partisan hack response, leftwinger. You should make a bumper sticker out of that...oh wait, that ship has already sailed.

There can be a safetynet solution just for those who do fall through the cracks, for a small percentage of what we will be paying.

Exactly. As a taxpayer I don't mind paying for those that cannot by no fault of thier own...what I do object to are those that have made the Safety net a hammock, and have taken up residence, when they are perfectly able to contribute themselves but take the coward's way out...and become moochers.

The moochers are those who duck buying health insurance and show up in Emergency Rooms seeking treatment. The moochers are the idiots who have ignored our out of control healthcare system

And the very SAME that demand that mommy gubmint take care of them because they don't have the ******* GUTS to exercise thier liberty and the responsibility that goes with it...and that makes YOU an enabler...doesn't it?

 

[Meister]

"Obamacare" is a fabricated term. It doesn't refer to anything, certainly not a payer. So no.

Sounds more like your parsing a word, greenbeard. Poor attempt at a spin.

thats his game. I ever tell you of the time we had a hash out on whether the plan to open up HC coverage to these 26 years olds would actually incur a cost?.....real live money?

12 posts it took me to box him till....he had to admit yes, it would.

hahahahaha!
Yeah, he skirts around the real context of the issue.

 

[Greenbeard]

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

The irony is just what the something better they cooked up was.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, or no....is Obamacare going to pick up the tab?

Anything's cheaper than the ER care (bankruptcy, Welfare to get Medicaid, no cost control at ALL) we pay for now, DUMBAZZ. LOL. Pub dupes!

Looks like the board idiot has appeared.

Very clever, but you obviously just mouth Pub talking points and are clueless. Idiot.

 

[The T]

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

The irony is just what the something better they cooked up was.

Yeah...it's called Obamacare...and it's worse.

*NEXT*

 

[DiamondDave]

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

The irony is just what the something better they cooked up was.

And where is healthcare a constitutional charge of the federal govt??

 

[The T]

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

The irony is just what the something better they cooked up was.

And where is healthcare a constitutional charge of the federal govt??

These Progressives have a history of doing end-run-arounds of the Constitution. They will read you chapter and verse of what isn't there.

 

[Conservative]

I thought the whole point of Obamacare was to lower premiums for everyone?

Obama's gonna lower the seas too!

The law hasn't gone into full effect. Once the individual mandate goes into effect, the law will lead to lower premiums.

The Congressional Budget Office (the official government scoring agency) reported that they estimated the cost of an individual low-cost plan in the exchange to be $5,300 in 2016. This is a plan with an “actuarial value” (roughly, the share of expenses for a given population covered by insurance) of 70 percent. In their September 22 letter to the Senate Finance Committee, the CBO projected that, absent reform, the cost of an individual policy in the nongroup market would be $6,000 for a plan with an actuarial value of 60 percent. This implies that the same plan that cost $6,000 without reform would cost $4,540 with reform, or almost 25 percent less.

The CBO has not reported many of the details of their analysis, such as the age distribution of individuals in the nongroup market or in the exchange. So these data do not provide a strictly apples-to-apples comparison of premiums for the same individual in the exchange and in the no-reform, nongroup market. And their conclusion may change as legislation moves forward. But the key point is that, as of now, the most authoritative objective voice in this debate suggests that reform will significantly reduce, not increase, nongroup premiums.

This conclusion is consistent with evidence from Massachusetts. In their December 2007 report, AHIP reported that the average single premium at the end of 2006 for a nongroup product in the United States was $2,613. In a report issued just this week, AHIP found that the average single premium in mid-2009 was $2,985, or a 14 percent increase. That same report presents results for the nongroup markets in a set of states. One of those states is Massachusetts, which passed health-care reform similar to the one contemplated at the federal level in mid-2006. The major aspects of this reform took place in 2007, notably the introduction of large subsidies for low-income populations, a merged nongroup and small group insurance market, and a mandate on individuals to purchase health insurance. And the results have been an enormous reduction in the cost of nongroup insurance in the state: The average individual premium in the state fell from $8,537 at the end of 2006 to $5,143 in mid-2009, a 40 percent reduction, while the rest of the nation was seeing a 14 percent increase.

Ezra Klein - Massachusetts provides evidence that health-care reform lowers insurance premiums

Mass fucked up it's health care by trying to 'reform' it.

Study Examines Impact of Massachusetts Health Law on Emergency Department Visits - Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center

overall emergency department use in Massachusetts continues to rise

Researchers found a 4.1 percent increase in overall ED visits from 2006 to 2008 – 3.4 percent from 2006 to 2007 and 0.7 percent the following year. In comparison, there was a 4.6 percent increase in ED visits statewide according to data from the Massachusetts Division of Health Care Finance and Policy. They found a 1.8 percent decrease in low-severity visits for the group affected by the reform law versus the comparison group.

This small decrease in low-severity visits was somewhat contradictory to expectations prior to the implementation of reform, Smulowitz wrote.

“To the extent that policymakers expected a substantial decrease in overall and low-severity ED visits, this study does not support those expectations.”

The authors suggest limitations on the availability of primary care in Massachusetts may be a key reason in the limited effect of health reform in ED utilization.

LIMITED PRIMARY CARE.


5 painful health-care lessons from Massachusetts - Jun. 15, 2010

Lesson 1: The Massachusetts plan does not control costs.

When Massachusetts launched its reform program in 2006, it already had the highest medical costs in the nation. Today, the burden is still rising far faster than wages or inflation, from those already lofty levels. A report from that state attorney general in March -- remember, this is a Democratic administration -- asked rhetorically "Can we expect the existing health-care market in Massachusetts to successfully contain health-care costs?" The report concluded, "To date, the answer is an unequivocal 'no.'"

Lesson 2: Community rating, guaranteed issue and mandated benefits swell costs.Hence the pool of insured people gets older and sicker as the healthy drop out. That's what happened in Massachusetts, and it contributed to soaring premiums. The 2006 reform plan was supposed to solve the problem by requiring that everyone buy coverage or pay a fine of around $1,000. It worked, but only in part: Of the 600,000 uninsured in 2005, around 450,000 are now covered. But a large share of 150,000 who still lack coverage are young residents who choose to pay the fine instead of high premiums. Insurers are also getting socked by people who sign up for insurance to get expensive care mandated under state law, including hospitalization for childbirth or hip replacements, and then depart once the procedure is completed.

Lesson 3: Huge subsidies for low-to-medium earners could prove extremely expensive.The problem is that the actual annual cost of these plans is around $10,000, so the subsides are enormous -- that's 90% for families earning $44,000. And while the costs keep going up, the share paid by the enrollee barely budges. Says Michael Tanner, an economist at the conservative Cato Institute: "It's a situation where the entire escalation in costs is paid by the government, not the people receiving the care."

Lesson 4: The exchanges reward people for working less and earning less.
a family earning $33,000 pays no premium at all under Commonwealth Care. But if their pay goes to $46,000, they're obligated to contribute about $2,400. That's an effective tax rate of 18.5% on that $13,000 raise. A pay increase of $44,000 to $46,000 is mostly erased by higher premiums alone.

Lesson 5: The generous plans and added mandates give employers an incentive to drop health insurance.
Cracks are already starting to appear. Part-time workers can get coverage under Commonwealth Care for a fraction of what they'd pay as full-timers. So they "game the system" by working ten or fifteen hours a week for two or three companies. Or they find that it pays to switch from full- to part-time work. PHI, an organization that represents home health-care workers, states that one-fourth of the home care agencies in Massachusetts are reducing workers' hours so they're eligible for state-subsidized care.

Health Care Costs Rising in Massachusetts - By Katrina Trinko - The Primary Event - National Review Online

Predictably, the plan did little to slow the growth of health costs that already were among the highest in the nation. A state report last year found that per capita health spending in Massachusetts was 15 percent above the national average. And from 2007 to 2009, private health insurance premiums rose between 5 and 10 percent annually, according to another state study.

Health Care Premiums on the Rise. Again. - Pay Dirt - SmartMoney

Premiums are rising even faster in Massachusetts, even after that state introduced its own health care reform in 2006 requiring residents to buy health insurance in that state, according to Consumer Watchdog. Insurance premiums for a single plan have risen 13.4% nationally from 2006 to 2009 versus a much larger 18.4% in Massachusetts, while premiums for a family plan rose 19.8% in Massachusetts in the same period, versus 14.5% nationally.

Consumers are increasingly unable to afford the coverage they have, the report says: “Massachusetts is hard‐pressed to maintain affordability. Premiums in the state remain the second-*highest in the nation and rising costs are threatening to unbalance the state budget.”

BHI Study: Massachusetts Health Care Reform drives up insurance costs both public and private 6/27/2011

• State health care expenditures have risen by $414 million over the period;
• Private health insurance costs have risen by $4.311 billion over the period;
• The federal government has spent an additional $2.418 billion on Medicaid for Massachusetts;
• Over this period, Medicare expenditures increased by $1.426 billion.

“Massachusetts voters were sold Health Care Reform as a device for controlling costs. What it turned out to be was a costly new entitlement, the bill for which was passed on to the federal government and to Massachusetts insurance companies, hospitals and rate payers. The question now is just who will pick up the tab for Obamacare.”

“The promise of expanded coverage at lower costs contradicts basic economic theory,” says co-author Paul Bachman. “By increasing demand for health care services without an equal increase in their supply, Health Care Reform in Massachusetts all but guaranteed that the price of health care services and health insurance would increase.”

Facts... learn to use them JosefK.

 

[rightwinger]

Yes they blocked Hillarycare and told the same lies they tell now......"Just trash this healthcare plan and we will work up something better".

The irony is just what the something better they cooked up was.

Just ask Newt....Obamacare is the same thing Republicans offered up to kill Hillarycare. Once it was dead, they just dropped their replacement plan and let America suffer

 

[francoHFW]

Pubs have been blocking a health system for at least 60 years. My father was a doctor who wanted it since 1940. They've ALWAYS been greedy A-holes, and the dupes have ALWAYS been clueless. LOL. You gotta laugh. Maybe now in the Information Age....
Though jackasses like 1/2+ of the RWers here will only get it when it's implemented. And even THEN 50% of THEM will still *****. That's the 14% who ***** in every other modern country, even now.

 

[francoHFW]

Conservative- health cost doubled under Boooosh, 15% a year, so those "facts" are not surprising, just spun all to hell for the dupes...

 

[francoHFW]

#118- See how screwed up this computer is? LOL