Headed for Hothouse Earth

[Sunsettommy]

The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree. Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically. The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it. Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such...

Crick started off well,

"The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree."

Agreed.

But then quickly descends to nonsense.

"Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically."

True it has been warming but the rate of warming is still around the PREVIOUS rate of warming. You say ALREADY UPRECEDENTED IN HUMAN HISTORY is a flat out lie!

I posted this information a few times already showing that previous warming trends before the current one are about the same, according to DR. Jones himself in the BBC interview"

"A - Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?

An initial point to make is that in the responses to these questions I've assumed that when you talk about the global temperature record, you mean the record that combines the estimates from land regions with those from the marine regions of the world. CRU produces the land component, with the Met Office Hadley Centre producing the marine component.

Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

Here are the trends and significances for each period:"

Crick continues,

"The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it."

Always those undefined tipping points, which previous whines over them never came to pass, which is a good example of pseudoscience.

He ends with a truly ignorant stupid attack,

"Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such..."

Actually we ARE in an ice age and have been for MILLIONS of years, right now we are near the end of a short interglacial phase.

 

[Old Rocks]

the sky is falling

again


we are surely doomed

this time

Evidence of the changing climate is everywhere. Being in denial will not change that.

Not denying it, just making fun of yet another claim we are all going to die.

so many predictions, so many times they have been wrong.

Well now, this year and last year, a number of people have died in the fires that are fueled by this changing climate. And tens of thousands more have lost most of what they worked all their lives to have. Not just in this nation, but all over the world. The extreme fires and floods we are seeing one right after another are exactly what the scientists warned us about. And they are destroying lives and property.

 

[Old Rocks]

A new study out Monday warns of the possibility of out-of-control global warming if humans fail to band together to fight the worst effects of climate change.

The analysis, conducted by researchers at the Australian National University and the Stockholm Resilience Center, among other institutions, outlines the potential for a "threshold" that, if crossed, would lead to runaway warming patterns and the advent of a "Hothouse Earth."


If such a threshold is crossed, the study warns, global average temperatures could climb as much as 8 degrees Fahrenheit above current temperatures and sea levels could rise 30 to 200 feet.

"Crossing the threshold would lead to a much higher global average temperature than any interglacial in the past 1.2 million years and to sea levels significantly higher than at any time in the Holocene," the study says.

The report is based on a review of past research of thresholds for climate change, according to USA Today.


We are living in a critical time. Vote in November for those that believe in science and are willing to take on climate change. The science is settled and the consequences real and happening now. Throw denialists to the curb if you give a damn for the future.

The planet is warming? There may be proof of that, but what there isn't a shred of proof of, is that man's activities are causing it or that man can fix it.

You are either a liar, or dumb as a post. Really, probably both. Ever hear of absorption spectra? Maybe you should look it up.

 

[fncceo]

a number of people have died in the fires that are fueled by this changing climate.

Fire .. the worst curse of modern man

 

[Old Rocks]

the sky is falling

again


we are surely doomed

this time

Evidence of the changing climate is everywhere. Being in denial will not change that.

But there is ZERO evidence that we caused it or that we can fix it.

Damn, you just have to continue to remove all doubt that you are a cretin. We have records as to how much coal and oil we have removed from the ground and burned. We have measures of the CO2 content of the atmosphere from millions of years ago to present. We know that we have increased the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere by a greater amount than the difference between the glacial and interglacial periods. But you are fucking stupid enough to deny all of this. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

a number of people have died in the fires that are fueled by this changing climate.

Fire .. the worst curse of modern man

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

 

[fncceo]

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

If the crux of your argument is calling someone an 'idiot' ... you don't have an argument.

 

[Old Rocks]

The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree. Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically. The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it. Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such...

Crick started off well,

"The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree."

Agreed.

But then quickly descends to nonsense.

"Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically."

True it has been warming but the rate of warming is still around the PREVIOUS rate of warming. You say ALREADY UPRECEDENTED IN HUMAN HISTORY is a flat out lie!

I posted this information a few times already showing that previous warming trends before the current one are about the same, according to DR. Jones himself in the BBC interview"

"A - Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?

An initial point to make is that in the responses to these questions I've assumed that when you talk about the global temperature record, you mean the record that combines the estimates from land regions with those from the marine regions of the world. CRU produces the land component, with the Met Office Hadley Centre producing the marine component.

Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

Here are the trends and significances for each period:"

Crick continues,

"The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it."

Always those undefined tipping points, which previous whines over them never came to pass, which is a good example of pseudoscience.

He ends with a truly ignorant stupid attack,

"Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such..."

Actually we ARE in an ice age and have been for MILLIONS of years, right now we are near the end of a short interglacial phase.

So, we have old Sunset, an ill informed uneducated big mouth here claiming that he knows more than all the scientists that wrote this article. LOL Gotta love it when the cretins on this board flap their silly yaps and somehow believe that is equal to the careful presentations of scientists with decades of education and research into the subject.

 

[Old Rocks]

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

If the crux of your argument is calling someone an 'idiot' ... you don't have an argument.

When a person presents something like you just presented, and calls it an argument, he is an idiot. A good many people have died in wild fires this summer already. There has been hundreds of millions of dollars lost in property damage. And you post idiocy concerning it. You justly deserve the title of fool.

 

[fncceo]

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

If the crux of your argument is calling someone an 'idiot' ... you don't have an argument.

When a person presents something like you just presented, and calls it an argument, he is an idiot. A good many people have died in wild fires this summer already. There has been hundreds of millions of dollars lost in property damage. And you post idiocy concerning it. You justly deserve the title of fool.

When you're claiming Al Gore invented wildfires, it's too good not to rag on.

 

[skookerasbil]

a number of people have died in the fires that are fueled by this changing climate.

Fire .. the worst curse of modern man

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

But the dumb no nothing shit's are winning......and the gap to the losers is growing.

Im mean....c'mon now. You've been posting the same exact stuff for 10 years now and what has changed??

Absolutely nothing.... in fact there are more deniers than ever before now. AGW fools haven't even moved the ball a yard closer to the goalposts......IN 20 YEARS!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Dumb knownothing shits, the worst curse of our present society. And idiots like you will make certain that we achieve a hothouse climate.

If the crux of your argument is calling someone an 'idiot' ... you don't have an argument.

When a person presents something like you just presented, and calls it an argument, he is an idiot. A good many people have died in wild fires this summer already. There has been hundreds of millions of dollars lost in property damage. And you post idiocy concerning it. You justly deserve the title of fool.

When you're claiming Al Gore invented wildfires, it's too good not to rag on.

 

[PredFan]

A new study out Monday warns of the possibility of out-of-control global warming if humans fail to band together to fight the worst effects of climate change.

The analysis, conducted by researchers at the Australian National University and the Stockholm Resilience Center, among other institutions, outlines the potential for a "threshold" that, if crossed, would lead to runaway warming patterns and the advent of a "Hothouse Earth."


If such a threshold is crossed, the study warns, global average temperatures could climb as much as 8 degrees Fahrenheit above current temperatures and sea levels could rise 30 to 200 feet.

"Crossing the threshold would lead to a much higher global average temperature than any interglacial in the past 1.2 million years and to sea levels significantly higher than at any time in the Holocene," the study says.

The report is based on a review of past research of thresholds for climate change, according to USA Today.


We are living in a critical time. Vote in November for those that believe in science and are willing to take on climate change. The science is settled and the consequences real and happening now. Throw denialists to the curb if you give a damn for the future.

The planet is warming? There may be proof of that, but what there isn't a shred of proof of, is that man's activities are causing it or that man can fix it.

You are either a liar, or dumb as a post. Really, probably both. Ever hear of absorption spectra? Maybe you should look it up.

I know of it. You ever hear of proof? Because that’s not it.

 

[PredFan]

the sky is falling

again


we are surely doomed

this time

Evidence of the changing climate is everywhere. Being in denial will not change that.

But there is ZERO evidence that we caused it or that we can fix it.

Damn, you just have to continue to remove all doubt that you are a cretin. We have records as to how much coal and oil we have removed from the ground and burned. We have measures of the CO2 content of the atmosphere from millions of years ago to present. We know that we have increased the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere by a greater amount than the difference between the glacial and interglacial periods. But you are fucking stupid enough to deny all of this. LOL

All of that is circumstantial, it’s not proof at all. We also have the Kardashian’s TV show, millions of years ago, before that show, CO2 levels were lower, now we have the show and the CO2s are higher. Has to be the Kardashians.

 

[Sunsettommy]

The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree. Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically. The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it. Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such...

Crick started off well,

"The climate has always been changing in some manner and to some degree."

Agreed.

But then quickly descends to nonsense.

"Right now the evidence says it is getting warmer and the rate of warming - already unprecedented in human history - seems to be accelerating dramatically."

True it has been warming but the rate of warming is still around the PREVIOUS rate of warming. You say ALREADY UPRECEDENTED IN HUMAN HISTORY is a flat out lie!

I posted this information a few times already showing that previous warming trends before the current one are about the same, according to DR. Jones himself in the BBC interview"

"A - Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?

An initial point to make is that in the responses to these questions I've assumed that when you talk about the global temperature record, you mean the record that combines the estimates from land regions with those from the marine regions of the world. CRU produces the land component, with the Met Office Hadley Centre producing the marine component.

Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other.

Here are the trends and significances for each period:"

Crick continues,

"The possibility exists that there is a tipping point and that we are approaching it."

Always those undefined tipping points, which previous whines over them never came to pass, which is a good example of pseudoscience.

He ends with a truly ignorant stupid attack,

"Your contention that we are headed for an ice age is ignorant gibberish and we should treat it as such..."

Actually we ARE in an ice age and have been for MILLIONS of years, right now we are near the end of a short interglacial phase.

So, we have old Sunset, an ill informed uneducated big mouth here claiming that he knows more than all the scientists that wrote this article. LOL Gotta love it when the cretins on this board flap their silly yaps and somehow believe that is equal to the careful presentations of scientists with decades of education and research into the subject.

Wow!

You didn't realize that I quoted a well known warmist scientist Dr. Jones, who stated that all warming trends back to the mid 1800's are nearly identical.

You also dispute that were are not in an ice age? Then you will need to tell hundreds of scientists that they are wrong, gee maybe YOU can show that we are not in an ice age, I dare you, but then that means you will have to do something unusual, make a cogent counterpoint.

Thank you for showcasing how out of it you really are.

 

[Tresha91203]

View attachment 208962 View attachment 208963 America has decreased their emissions significantly, how about China? You can't see the sun in many cities.

The world dares not point the finger at China though, too profitable to manufacture there, so they bug America their usual target when they need to blame someone for something. Of course, they conveniently love America to fund their global boondoggles as well.

Nobody denies China is an environmental basket case , but that is no excuse for inaction. China is making a major push into renewables. China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

China is also building 700 coal-fired power plants, some in areas with no coal burning presently. Your disdain should be for them, not America, which has made huge progress. A lot of Americans now understand that no amount of conservation will make (generic) you happy. China gets praised while expanding coal production and introducing coal-fired power into new areas. Americans get blasted no matter what we do. If you were actually serious, you'd be all over China, an actual problem, rather than the US.

 

[skookerasbil]

View attachment 208962 View attachment 208963 America has decreased their emissions significantly, how about China? You can't see the sun in many cities.

The world dares not point the finger at China though, too profitable to manufacture there, so they bug America their usual target when they need to blame someone for something. Of course, they conveniently love America to fund their global boondoggles as well.

Nobody denies China is an environmental basket case , but that is no excuse for inaction. China is making a major push into renewables. China Aims to Spend at Least $360 Billion on Renewable Energy by 2020

China is also building 700 coal-fired power plants, some in areas with no coal burning presently. Your disdain should be for them, not America, which has made huge progress. A lot of Americans now understand that no amount of conservation will make (generic) you happy. China gets praised while expanding coal production and introducing coal-fired power into new areas. Americans get blasted no matter what we do. If you were actually serious, you'd be all over China, an actual problem, rather than the US.

Its fascinating....these assholes go on like that isnt at all part of the equation. Yet these are not stupid people.... just means more fodder that all this just a royal hoax. Who goes out and shoots themselves in the face when Buster Brown is cornholing your girl? Only a mental case.

So we in America should do the self insertion of the big bumpy cucumber thing while the Chinese fill the sky with carbon for the next 40+ years! Gee....that's a real rational call!@@www.wtf.com

 

[skookerasbil]

the sky is falling

again


we are surely doomed

this time

Evidence of the changing climate is everywhere. Being in denial will not change that.

Not denying it, just making fun of yet another claim we are all going to die.

so many predictions, so many times they have been wrong.

The reason the worst case scenario does not happen is because we take action to avoid it. Acid Rain and the Ozone Hole were contained because of action. They too had worst case scenarios. We are headed for catastrophe if we sit silently. Maybe not for us because we will be dead, but for the generations that follow. Look around the canary is dying.

Here is another guy who thinks the climate encompasses only Maine to California. Fucking yikes! How did these people miss the memo that China building 2 coal plants a month might have a wee bit to do with the climate?

 

[Two Thumbs]

the sky is falling

again


we are surely doomed

this time

Evidence of the changing climate is everywhere. Being in denial will not change that.

Not denying it, just making fun of yet another claim we are all going to die.

so many predictions, so many times they have been wrong.

Well now, this year and last year, a number of people have died in the fires that are fueled by this changing climate. And tens of thousands more have lost most of what they worked all their lives to have. Not just in this nation, but all over the world. The extreme fires and floods we are seeing one right after another are exactly what the scientists warned us about. And they are destroying lives and property.

uhm, no, there's no clear facts that fires started by people, on purpose or by accident, is related to gw.

it's just another bs claim.

 

[Billy_Bob]

A new study out Monday warns of the possibility of out-of-control global warming if humans fail to band together to fight the worst effects of climate change.

The analysis, conducted by researchers at the Australian National University and the Stockholm Resilience Center, among other institutions, outlines the potential for a "threshold" that, if crossed, would lead to runaway warming patterns and the advent of a "Hothouse Earth."


If such a threshold is crossed, the study warns, global average temperatures could climb as much as 8 degrees Fahrenheit above current temperatures and sea levels could rise 30 to 200 feet.

"Crossing the threshold would lead to a much higher global average temperature than any interglacial in the past 1.2 million years and to sea levels significantly higher than at any time in the Holocene," the study says.

The report is based on a review of past research of thresholds for climate change, according to USA Today.


We are living in a critical time. Vote in November for those that believe in science and are willing to take on climate change. The science is settled and the consequences real and happening now. Throw denialists to the curb if you give a damn for the future.

The planet is warming? There may be proof of that, but what there isn't a shred of proof of, is that man's activities are causing it or that man can fix it.

You are either a liar, or dumb as a post. Really, probably both. Ever hear of absorption spectra? Maybe you should look it up.

Classic bull shit post... You cant prove causation from spectral analysis let alone effects of that emission.

Epic Failure!