Have you noticed?

[EvilCat Breath]

You're premise is this:
2A bad because slavers used firearms to continue to enslave slaves.
2A hasn't stopped the Tyranny of Slavery.

Slavery and guns existed long before the revolution, the constitution and the 2A. The 2A is not the causation of illmoral humans and their use of Guns. The expectation that the 2A should have stopped slavery is not a logical conclusion. I could also argue, that many men died to end slavery, using, not only military supplied arms, but I"m sure personal arms were used against southern slavers as well.

The 2A's primary intent is to allow the citizens to keep the gov't in check and prevent Tyranny. In the case of tyranny, we have the capacity to oust that tyranny. I have nothing more to say. IMO, your making illogical inferences and arguments. I can't convince, nor will I. I'm done waisting mental energy on you

His premise is the United States is evil from the beginning and should not exist.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Throwing the baby out with the bath water is a specific fallacy, namely the false analogy fallacy. In that analogy the baby is something to be protected. I'm challenging that very notion. The second amendment should be done away with because it's bad law and its rationale doesn't stand to scrutiny. It's bad law because it's original purpose was to arm gangs of white men so they could put down the attempts of their slaves to resist their subjugation. This also reveals how shoddy the rationale is. Rather than protecting against tyranny for much of this country's existence it has instead helped enforce tyranny and black Americans didn't eventually win their fight against tyranny with violent arms, they did so through peaceful dignity and allowing the indecency of white society to be laid bare and shame them into being better. Changing hearts and minds ends tyranny. Violence just perpetuates it.

Today we still need armed white men to put down black criminals. We still need private citizens defending themselves against black savages.

 

[jknowgood]

You magaterds are really soft fellows, who would run away from almost any Dem coming at you.

That's funny, you loons can't make up your mind on what bathroom to use.

 

[Billiejeens]

No, but I have seen a Trump supporter call for people to be jailed for criticizing Trump.

While that's a worthy idea,
That's not going to happen.

 

[Curried Goats]

His premise is the United States is evil from the beginning and should not exist.

I don't believe in evil or your silly voodoo. I don't have any problem with societies existing. The question is about what it should look like. It's not great when you start off with this weak strawman.

Today we still need armed white men to put down black criminals. We still need private citizens defending themselves against black savages.

Case and point.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I don't believe in evil or your silly voodoo. I don't have any problem with societies existing. The question is about what it should look like. It's not great when you start off with this weak strawman.

Case and point.

The mistake was bringing black people to this country knowing they could not be completely civilized.

 

[Curried Goats]

The mistake was bringing black people to this country knowing they could not be completely civilized.

Now tell me LibertyKid why in the hell would I start from the premise that armed fucktards like this would use their guns to protect the equal rights of black people?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Now tell me LibertyKid why in the hell would I start from the premise that armed fucktards like this would use their guns to protect the equal rights of black people?

What happens when civilization tries to bring electricity to black people?

 

[Curried Goats]

What happens when civilization tries to bring electricity to black people?

Buddy im not impressed by your cuckolded version of racism. This is what you Sad Boys have been reduce to. Shit posting. If my people, who had once ruled this place, had fallen this low that this is what you got left I'd just hide my head in shame. You're the generation of fail whites letting yourselves be peacefully replaced.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Buddy im not impressed by your cuckolded version of racism. This is what you Sad Boys have been reduce to. Shit posting. If my people, who had once ruled this place, had fallen this low that this is what you got left I'd just hide my head in shame. You're the generation of fail whites letting yourselves be peacefully replaced.

I don't care what impresses you. I'm having too much fun pointing out that blacks are essentially barbarians who need a 3rd world village to survive.

 

[Curried Goats]

I don't care what impresses you. I'm having too much fun pointing out that blacks are essentially barbarians who need a 3rd world village to survive.

I know. You really do imagine your fan fiction is a real intelligent argument don't you?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I know. You really do imagine your fan fiction is a real intelligent argument don't you?

Don't care. You have proven what subhumans blacks are and you do it every day

 

[Curried Goats]

Don't care. You have proven what subhumans blacks are and you do it every day

Yep. That's exactly what constitutes real proof to the intellectually illiterate.

 

[LibertyKid]

You're forgetting my other premise. Whether we can trust an armed group of randos to use their weapons to protect others from tyranny rather than impose their own. As I said the slaver Founders were making a different calculation. They needed guns to enforce tyranny as much as protect against it. I understand why a society intent on letting white people impose tyranny on black people would be okay with those white people being armed. Why should this society arm its citizens? You say to protect against tyranny but I don't trust all my neighbors with weapons to do that. It just seems like the juice isn't worth the squeeze in this case. The deaths and levels of gun violence are a high price to pay for the possibility of maybe opposing tyranny (if the occasion ever arises) but also maybe helping it.

I don't know what else to tell you. I've countered all your points, I'm not going to convince you that terrible human atrocities done by immoral humans, is not a case against the. I've stated why. Yet, you continue to move the goal posts and in the above statement you're deffering to your personal opinion on guns and your neighbors as facts.

Your premise/thesis has been poorly supported and only supported by your opinion. In fact, the only supporting research on it, I FOUND!. If you were to present your argumentative thesis before a professor, your paper would fail as you have failed to support your own premise and thoroughly defend against any counter arguments. You're entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts, and that's what you think you have.

I'll discuss, but until you write a correct thesis and provide supporting research and facts, I won't waste time with you any more.

 

[Curried Goats]

I don't know what else to tell you. I've countered all your points, I'm not going to convince you that terrible human atrocities done by immoral humans, is not a case against the. I've stated why. Yet, you continue to move the goal posts and in the above statement you're deffering to your personal opinion on guns and your neighbors as facts.

Your premise/thesis has been poorly supported and only supported by your opinion. In fact, the only supporting research on it, I FOUND!. If you were to present your argumentative thesis before a professor, your paper would fail as you have failed to support your own premise and thoroughly defend against any counter arguments. You're entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts, and that's what you think you have.

I'll discuss, but until you write a correct thesis and provide supporting research and facts, I won't waste time with you any more.

I don't even know what you're talking about. You haven't countered any of my points. The second amendment was used to promote tyranny. Fact. Legislation was used to end it. Fact. We have one of the highest availability of guns in the world and the worst gun violence and murder rate in the developed world. FACT.

 

[LibertyKid]

I don't even know what you're talking about. You haven't countered any of my points. The second amendment was used to promote tyranny. Fact. Legislation was used to end it. Fact. We have one of the highest availability of guns in the world and the worst gun violence and murder rate in the developed world. FACT.

Whatever. Write a succinct thesis statement with your argument, point out 2 or 3 facts that support your argument, and present one argument against your point. That way you stick to your premise and you don't change the rules of the argument, as you have done throughout.

 

[Curried Goats]

Whatever. Write a succinct thesis statement with your argument, point out 2 or 3 facts that support your argument, and present one argument against your point. That way you stick to your premise and you don't change the rules of the argument, as you have done throughout.

No. I'm not your student to cosplaying moron.

 

[CowboyTed]

That's right. Commies would call for it only after Trump was gone.

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Just like Reagan introduced it when he was shot...

Do you hear yourself sometimes...

 

[CowboyTed]

Today we still need armed white men to put down black criminals. We still need private citizens defending themselves against black savages.

Read that message and then know that this guy has a gun...

No background check but is online here talking about killing people that he deems sub human...

And you want this guy to have a gun..

 

[LibertyKid]

No. I'm not your student to cosplaying moron.

Figured, and resorting to name calling. Typical of someone who bases ideas off of emotional bias and illogical conclusions.