Has Philadelphia Police Chief Gone Nuts ?

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It's bad enough that just about every liberal in America is flat-out bonkers on just about everything, especially race. But one would hope that a top cop of a major American city would have common sense, and a responsibility to THE LAW, rather than what makes mouthy blacks in Black Lives Matter feel good.

Unfortunately, the top cop of Phildelphia has gone from taking a correct position (that his cops enforced the law properly), to caving in to political pressure of some looney tunes, who turn everything where black people are involved, into a racial incident.

The Starbucks arrests of 2 black guys trespassing and inerfering with the operation of a business, were done as they should be. The 2 thugs arrested, had no right to sit in the restaurant and occupy 2 seats needed by paying customers, when they weren't buying anything, and were asked to leave. They had no right to refuse to leave.

This isn't a civil rights case, it's a simple matter of LAW, which the police chief was right about originally, and then curiously, changed his position and denounced the arrests. Bad decision on his part. It's unfair to Starbucks, unfair to the cops who made the arrests, unfair to Starbucks paying customers who need a place to sit, and unfair to everyone in Philadelphia who is entitled to lawful policing.

Generally, in cases like this (where things get done to favor blacks, regardless of the law), there's a Democrat mayor behind it all. Ordinarily, this Democrat mayor (Jim Kenney) will get zero publicity, leftist media won't say a word about him, and the whole incident will be portrayed as something about discriminating against blacks.

So add one more item to the list of lawbreakers being allowed to block traffic in Democrat mayor cities, thugs being allowed to chase and attack people going to Trump rallies, rioters burning and looting, more rioters throwing rocks at cops, etc etc.

Few things could be more obvious a reason to vote for Republicans in city official elections, governors, and other political offices. Liberals often hold signs reading "The Whole World Is Watching". Well, yes it is. And people around the world must (correctly) deduce that America is a nation gone mad, when it comes to derailed law enforcement in Democrat-ruled jurisdictions.
 
It's bad enough that just about every liberal in America is flat-out bonkers on just about everything, especially race. But one would hope that a top cop of a major American city would have common sense, and a responsibility to THE LAW, rather than what makes mouthy blacks in Black Lives Matter feel good.

Unfortunately, the top cop of Phildelphia has gone from taking a correct position (that his cops enforced the law properly), to caving in to political pressure of some looney tunes, who turn everything where black people are involved, into a racial incident.

The Starbucks arrests of 2 black guys trespassing and inerfering with the operation of a business, were done as they should be. The 2 thugs arrested, had no right to sit in the restaurant and occupy 2 seats needed by paying customers, when they weren't buying anything, and were asked to leave. They had no right to refuse to leave.

This isn't a civil rights case, it's a simple matter of LAW, which the police chief was right about originally, and then curiously, changed his position and denounced the arrests. Bad decision on his part. It's unfair to Starbucks, unfair to the cops who made the arrests, unfair to Starbucks paying customers who need a place to sit, and unfair to everyone in Philadelphia who is entitled to lawful policing.

Generally, in cases like this (where things get done to favor blacks, regardless of the law), there's a Democrat mayor behind it all. Ordinarily, this Democrat mayor (Jim Kenney) will get zero publicity, leftist media won't say a word about him, and the whole incident will be portrayed as something about discriminating against blacks.

So add one more item to the list of lawbreakers being allowed to block traffic in Democrat mayor cities, thugs being allowed to chase and attack people going to Trump rallies, rioters burning and looting, more rioters throwing rocks at cops, etc etc.

Few things could be more obvious a reason to vote for Republicans in city official elections, governors, and other political offices. Liberals often hold signs reading "The Whole World Is Watching". Well, yes it is. And people around the world must (correctly) deduce that America is a nation gone mad, when it comes to derailed law enforcement in Democrat-ruled jurisdictions.
No one is mentioning, anymore, that the guys asked for the code to the bathroom as soon as they came in. Before a purchase. Did they decide that part of the story didn't happen, or does it not matter anymore why the waitress asked them to leave after they gave her lip for not giving them the code?
 
Philadelphia mayor Jim Kenney (the only reason the 2 thugs were released) said this >> the incident "appears to exemplify what racial discrimination looks like in 2018." He added that the apology from Starbucks "is not enough" and that he would ask the Philadelphia Commission on Human Relations to examine the firm's policies and procedures and whether there should be bias training for its employees.

Black men arrested at Philadelphia Starbucks agree to meet with CEO

Yeah, go after those black votes, Jimmy boy. don't let a single one of them get away. And don't forget to submit this for the Pander of the Year 2018 Award.
 
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No one is mentioning, anymore, that the guys asked for the code to the bathroom as soon as they came in
oh....

My.....

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!! THE SMOKING GUN!

Has anybody here ever been arrested for asking to use a bathroom?
No, of course not, but they might as well tell the whole story. It isn't like they sat down and out of the blue the waitress called the cops because they hadn't ordered coffee. That's what it sounds like.
What Starbucks did and how the cops responded to it are two separate things in my book.
Some employees go "by the book" especially when they're new, and others cut customers some slack. Any possibility she wasn't being racist and was just being a bathroom Nazi?
 
No one is mentioning, anymore, that the guys asked for the code to the bathroom as soon as they came in. Before a purchase. Did they decide that part of the story didn't happen, or does it not matter anymore why the waitress asked them to leave after they gave her lip for not giving them the code?
Did YOU decide that it DID happen, just because they say so ? And no matter what about the bathroom, if they weren't buying anything, they shouldn't have been occupying the 2 seats they were (depriving paying customers). If it were my store, I'd have booted them out in an instant.

How about this part >>
"A police report states the men cursed at the manager after she told them bathrooms are for customers only.

She called 911 to report that the men were not making a purchase and were refusing to leave."

Men Arrested At Philadelphia Starbucks Speak Out; Police Commissioner Apologizes
 
No one is mentioning, anymore, that the guys asked for the code to the bathroom as soon as they came in
oh....

My.....

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!! THE SMOKING GUN!

Has anybody here ever been arrested for asking to use a bathroom?
No, of course not, but they might as well tell the whole story. It isn't like they sat down and out of the blue the waitress called the cops because they hadn't ordered coffee. That's what it sounds like.
What Starbucks did and how the cops responded to it are two separate things in my book.
Some employees go "by the book" especially when they're new, and others cut customers some slack. Any possibility she wasn't being racist and was just being a bathroom Nazi?
Anything is possible. Hell, people are even supporting innocents getting arrested for asking to use the bathroom and sitting down for 2 minutes. I never thought that was possible until now.
 
oh....

My.....

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!! THE SMOKING GUN!

Has anybody here ever been arrested for asking to use a bathroom?
Try reading the link in the OP. Knowing why they were arrested, is vital to the thread. Also helps to keep you from looking ridiculous. :rolleyes:
 
No, of course not, but they might as well tell the whole story. It isn't like they sat down and out of the blue the waitress called the cops because they hadn't ordered coffee. That's what it sounds like.
What Starbucks did and how the cops responded to it are two separate things in my book.
Some employees go "by the book" especially when they're new, and others cut customers some slack. Any possibility she wasn't being racist and was just being a bathroom Nazi?
I am 50/50 white and Hispanic, and I look more white than Hispanic. On some occasions, I, and white friends, were asked to leave when not buying anything. Nothing unusual.

Starbucks restaurants are pretty commonly filled to capacity. if people are occupying seats and not buying, they're causing lo$$es. Not a small matter.
 
Anything is possible. Hell, people are even supporting innocents getting arrested for asking to use the bathroom and sitting down for 2 minutes. I never thought that was possible until now.
The 2 thugs REFUSED to leave. That is 1) trespassing and 2) interfering with the operation of a business.

The Pennsylvania Legislature has enacted Title 18, section 6504 of the Pennsylvania Statutes to criminalize public nuisances.

"Whoever erects, sets up, establishes, maintains, keeps or continues, or causes to be erected, set up, established, maintained, kept or continued, any public or common nuisance is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree. Where the nuisance is in the existence at the time of the conviction and sentence, the court, in its discretion, may direct either the defendant or the sheriff of the county at the expense of the defendant to abate the same."
 
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Whites at that location had used the wifi set ups without purchase.

Whites at the location had used the bathroom without purchase.

protectionis is arguing because . . . ?
 
No one is mentioning, anymore, that the guys asked for the code to the bathroom as soon as they came in
oh....

My.....

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!!!!!!!!! THE SMOKING GUN!

Has anybody here ever been arrested for asking to use a bathroom?
No, of course not, but they might as well tell the whole story. It isn't like they sat down and out of the blue the waitress called the cops because they hadn't ordered coffee. That's what it sounds like.
What Starbucks did and how the cops responded to it are two separate things in my book.
Some employees go "by the book" especially when they're new, and others cut customers some slack. Any possibility she wasn't being racist and was just being a bathroom Nazi?
Anything is possible. Hell, people are even supporting innocents getting arrested for asking to use the bathroom and sitting down for 2 minutes. I never thought that was possible until now.
Look, I can see both sides of this one. Not the arresting the guys part, so much. If I'm going to take a position on something like this, though, I'll be goddamned if I'll do it without telling the whole story.
I can understand why two black guys who walk into Starbucks to meet a friend and ask to use the bathroom get told they need to make a purchase. They apparently weren't in the mood for that answer, took it that she said that because they were black and caused a stink. I can understand being in that kind of a mood some times if I were a black guy. I'm not saying they deserved to be arrested for it. But no one should be just telling half the story and branding Starbucks as racist because they have a store policy that only paying customers get to use the bathrooms. That's pretty much standard EVERY PLACE and why these guys think they were above that, I don't know. Maybe they had been there before and been let in, I don't know. Do I think in a city like Philly that NO BLACK Starbucks CUSTOMER has ever been given the code to the bathroom without having a purchase before him? No.

The cops should never have arrested them, though, unless they became nasty and also refused to leave when the cops told them to. DID ANYONE OF THE OTHER CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE CONSIDER JUST BUYING THESE GUYS TWO CUPS OF COFFEE SO THE WAITRESS WOULD GIVE THEM THE CODE?
I guess there wasn't time, considering how fast this went south.
 
Whites at that location had used the wifi set ups without purchase.

Whites at the location had used the bathroom without purchase.

protectionis is arguing because . . . ?
And your source of this "information" is ? Or are we just supposed to take it on faith ?
 
Look, I can see both sides of this one. Not the arresting the guys part, so much. If I'm going to take a position on something like this, though, I'll be goddamned if I'll do it without telling the whole story.
I can understand why two black guys who walk into Starbucks to meet a friend and ask to use the bathroom get told they need to make a purchase. They apparently weren't in the mood for that answer, took it that she said that because they were black and caused a stink. I can understand being in that kind of a mood some times if I were a black guy. I'm not saying they deserved to be arrested for it. But no one should be just telling half the story and branding Starbucks as racist because they have a store policy that only paying customers get to use the bathrooms. That's pretty much standard EVERY PLACE and why these guys think they were above that, I don't know. Maybe they had been there before and been let in, I don't know. Do I think in a city like Philly that NO BLACK Starbucks CUSTOMER has ever been given the code to the bathroom without having a purchase before him? No.

The cops should never have arrested them, though, unless they became nasty and also refused to leave when the cops told them to. DID ANYONE OF THE OTHER CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE CONSIDER JUST BUYING THESE GUYS TWO CUPS OF COFFEE SO THE WAITRESS WOULD GIVE THEM THE CODE?
I guess there wasn't time, considering how fast this went south.
Sometimes responding/informing once, is not enough. OK. Let's do it again >>

From Post # 7 >>

"A police report states the men cursed at the manager after she told them bathrooms are for customers only.

She called 911 to report that the men were not making a purchase, and were refusing to leave."

Men Arrested At Philadelphia Starbucks Speak Out; Police Commissioner Apologizes
 
Look, I can see both sides of this one. Not the arresting the guys part, so much. If I'm going to take a position on something like this, though, I'll be goddamned if I'll do it without telling the whole story.
I can understand why two black guys who walk into Starbucks to meet a friend and ask to use the bathroom get told they need to make a purchase. They apparently weren't in the mood for that answer, took it that she said that because they were black and caused a stink. I can understand being in that kind of a mood some times if I were a black guy. I'm not saying they deserved to be arrested for it. But no one should be just telling half the story and branding Starbucks as racist because they have a store policy that only paying customers get to use the bathrooms. That's pretty much standard EVERY PLACE and why these guys think they were above that, I don't know. Maybe they had been there before and been let in, I don't know. Do I think in a city like Philly that NO BLACK Starbucks CUSTOMER has ever been given the code to the bathroom without having a purchase before him? No.

The cops should never have arrested them, though, unless they became nasty and also refused to leave when the cops told them to. DID ANYONE OF THE OTHER CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE CONSIDER JUST BUYING THESE GUYS TWO CUPS OF COFFEE SO THE WAITRESS WOULD GIVE THEM THE CODE?
I guess there wasn't time, considering how fast this went south.
Sometimes responding/informing once, is not enough. OK. Let's do it again >>

From Post # 7 >>

"A police report states the men cursed at the manager after she told them bathrooms are for customers only.

She called 911 to report that the men were not making a purchase, and were refusing to leave."

Men Arrested At Philadelphia Starbucks Speak Out; Police Commissioner Apologizes
I already knew that part. The part I was wondering about was how they acted when the cops arrived. Why THAT got so out of control that they ended up in handcuffs?
 
Look, I can see both sides of this one. Not the arresting the guys part, so much. If I'm going to take a position on something like this, though, I'll be goddamned if I'll do it without telling the whole story.
I can understand why two black guys who walk into Starbucks to meet a friend and ask to use the bathroom get told they need to make a purchase. They apparently weren't in the mood for that answer, took it that she said that because they were black and caused a stink. I can understand being in that kind of a mood some times if I were a black guy. I'm not saying they deserved to be arrested for it. But no one should be just telling half the story and branding Starbucks as racist because they have a store policy that only paying customers get to use the bathrooms. That's pretty much standard EVERY PLACE and why these guys think they were above that, I don't know. Maybe they had been there before and been let in, I don't know. Do I think in a city like Philly that NO BLACK Starbucks CUSTOMER has ever been given the code to the bathroom without having a purchase before him? No.

The cops should never have arrested them, though, unless they became nasty and also refused to leave when the cops told them to. DID ANYONE OF THE OTHER CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE CONSIDER JUST BUYING THESE GUYS TWO CUPS OF COFFEE SO THE WAITRESS WOULD GIVE THEM THE CODE?
I guess there wasn't time, considering how fast this went south.
Sometimes responding/informing once, is not enough. OK. Let's do it again >>

From Post # 7 >>

"A police report states the men cursed at the manager after she told them bathrooms are for customers only.

She called 911 to report that the men were not making a purchase, and were refusing to leave."

Men Arrested At Philadelphia Starbucks Speak Out; Police Commissioner Apologizes
I already knew that part. The part I was wondering about was how they acted when the cops arrived. Why THAT got so out of control that they ended up in handcuffs?
What do the cops have to do with it ? The thugs were breaking the law before the cops arrived, by causing a public nuisance and trespassing.

See Post # 12 >> Title 18, section 6504 of the Pennsylvania Statutes
 

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