Harry Hopkins....Soviet Spy

[PoliticalChic]

If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this?

This statement by the author himself, Christopher Andrew regarding the braggadocio of the Russian defectors and informants;

.... “these boasts were far from the truth. Hopkins was an American patriot with little sympathy for the Soviet system. But he was deeply impressed by the Soviet war effort.” The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, 1999

Repeat this is the opinion of the friggin author. Are you going to try to rewrite his book as well as history?

BTW...I like your cute little nickname for me. Smugly Backside. It's almost as if you're subconsciously channeling those many members of the fairer sex who have insisted I have "a very nice butt." You naughty girl. (I'm not claiming that description myself, I'm just sayin' that's what they say.)

If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this?

This statement by the author himself, Christopher Andrew regarding the braggadocio of the Russian defectors and informants;

.... “these boasts were far from the truth. Hopkins was an American patriot with little sympathy for the Soviet system. But he was deeply impressed by the Soviet war effort.” The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, 1999




If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this, Smugly.....on the very same page that you quote above:

"Stalin must also have welcomed the fact that Roosevelt was bringing to Tehran his closest wartime adviser, Harry Hopkins....Hopkins had established a remarkable reputation in Moscow for taking the Russians into his confidence. Earlier in the year he had privately warned the Soviet embassy in Washington that the FBI had bugged a secret meeting...."


Stalin loved him....and with good reason.

Again....you said:
"Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America..."


Pretty good tireless work for America?

Bet you want to take that back now, huh, Backside?

Just like today, and even more so back during Hoover's hay days of blackmailing and running his own little private secret police force, the FBI was not always trusted with certain types of information. Other government agencies did not want Hoover or the FBI in on their operations and secrets, just like other government agencies don't want the FBI in on operations and secrets today.
Ofcourse Stalin was happy whenever Hopkins was in the picture. It was Hopkins job to be friends and gain the trust of Stalin. That is what a back channel operative does. He or she becomes somewhat of a trusted friend and creates an atmosphere whereby opponents can communicate in ways outside of normal diplomatic and leader to leader protocals and restraints.

" It was Hopkins job to be friends and gain the trust of Stalin. "


Why not?.....birds of a feather and all.....

 

[Bfgrn]

If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this?

This statement by the author himself, Christopher Andrew regarding the braggadocio of the Russian defectors and informants;

.... “these boasts were far from the truth. Hopkins was an American patriot with little sympathy for the Soviet system. But he was deeply impressed by the Soviet war effort.” The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, 1999




If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this, Smugly.....on the very same page that you quote above:

"Stalin must also have welcomed the fact that Roosevelt was bringing to Tehran his closest wartime adviser, Harry Hopkins....Hopkins had established a remarkable reputation in Moscow for taking the Russians into his confidence. Earlier in the year he had privately warned the Soviet embassy in Washington that the FBI had bugged a secret meeting...."


Stalin loved him....and with good reason.

Again....you said:
"Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America..."


Pretty good tireless work for America?

Bet you want to take that back now, huh, Backside?

Just like today, and even more so back during Hoover's hay days of blackmailing and running his own little private secret police force, the FBI was not always trusted with certain types of information. Other government agencies did not want Hoover or the FBI in on their operations and secrets, just like other government agencies don't want the FBI in on operations and secrets today.
Ofcourse Stalin was happy whenever Hopkins was in the picture. It was Hopkins job to be friends and gain the trust of Stalin. That is what a back channel operative does. He or she becomes somewhat of a trusted friend and creates an atmosphere whereby opponents can communicate in ways outside of normal diplomatic and leader to leader protocals and restraints.

" It was Hopkins job to be friends and gain the trust of Stalin. "


Why not?.....birds of a feather and all.....

 

[whitehall]

Another thing to consider is that there was no American "intelligence" network during FDR's time. The Country was pretty much run by a virtual king who would not step down until he died. The fawning media was pretty much a part of the administration and anything the king decided including the incarceration of American citizens without due process was fine. The Supreme Court was either in FDR's back pocket or they were afraid of the administration. The US was so grossly unprepared for war in the Pacific that it bordered on criminal negligence. Wild Bill Donovan's fledgling OSS was a laughable attempt at espionage and counter espionage by a bunch of rank amateurs and the scant information they gleaned had nowhere to go. J. Edgar Hoover's G Men were too busy delving into the sex lives of politicians to worry about international intrigue. FDR could have joined the communist party and it would not have resonated in government or the media and if it did the media would have no doubt justified it so Hopkins' relationship with the USSR is pretty much a moot point.

 

[SmedlyButler]

If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this?

This statement by the author himself, Christopher Andrew regarding the braggadocio of the Russian defectors and informants;

.... “these boasts were far from the truth. Hopkins was an American patriot with little sympathy for the Soviet system. But he was deeply impressed by the Soviet war effort.” The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, 1999

Repeat this is the opinion of the friggin author. Are you going to try to rewrite his book as well as history?

BTW...I like your cute little nickname for me. Smugly Backside. It's almost as if you're subconsciously channeling those many members of the fairer sex who have insisted I have "a very nice butt." You naughty girl. (I'm not claiming that description myself, I'm just sayin' that's what they say.)

If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this?

This statement by the author himself, Christopher Andrew regarding the braggadocio of the Russian defectors and informants;

.... “these boasts were far from the truth. Hopkins was an American patriot with little sympathy for the Soviet system. But he was deeply impressed by the Soviet war effort.” The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archive and the Secret History of the KGB, 1999




If you've read "The Sword and the Shield" how did you miss this, Smugly.....on the very same page that you quote above:

"Stalin must also have welcomed the fact that Roosevelt was bringing to Tehran his closest wartime adviser, Harry Hopkins....Hopkins had established a remarkable reputation in Moscow for taking the Russians into his confidence. Earlier in the year he had privately warned the Soviet embassy in Washington that the FBI had bugged a secret meeting...."


Stalin loved him....and with good reason.

Again....you said:
"Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America..."


Pretty good tireless work for America?

Bet you want to take that back now, huh, Backside?

Just like today, and even more so back during Hoover's hay days of blackmailing and running his own little private secret police force, the FBI was not always trusted with certain types of information. Other government agencies did not want Hoover or the FBI in on their operations and secrets, just like other government agencies don't want the FBI in on operations and secrets today.
Ofcourse Stalin was happy whenever Hopkins was in the picture. It was Hopkins job to be friends and gain the trust of Stalin. That is what a back channel operative does. He or she becomes somewhat of a trusted friend and creates an atmosphere whereby opponents can communicate in ways outside of normal diplomatic and leader to leader protocals and restraints.

International diplomacy at the highest levels (where Hopkins definitely resided) can be ugly at times...Much like that proverbial sausage that you wouldn't eat if you saw what went into it.

 

[SmedlyButler]

You're probably one of the least equipped people in the world to make value judgments on the thousands of decisions Hopkins made while in the stratosphere of International Politics and Diplomacy. The subtle give and take at that level is way beyond your monochromatic, prejudiced, simple-minded intellect. If only you could remove the blinders of your hyper-reactionary world view.

But hey, you've finally hit on the line of attack I suggested many posts ago. Good for you, now if you could only stick to the truth. Sadly I doubt you are capable of embracing truth when it conflicts with your ends-justifies-the means tactics. Destruction of the nebulous "Left" you hate so much leads you to hate the real America, as I've said before. Hate is your stock in trade.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another thing to consider is that there was no American "intelligence" network during FDR's time. The Country was pretty much run by a virtual king who would not step down until he died. The fawning media was pretty much a part of the administration and anything the king decided including the incarceration of American citizens without due process was fine. The Supreme Court was either in FDR's back pocket or they were afraid of the administration. The US was so grossly unprepared for war in the Pacific that it bordered on criminal negligence. Wild Bill Donovan's fledgling OSS was a laughable attempt at espionage and counter espionage by a bunch of rank amateurs and the scant information they gleaned had nowhere to go. J. Edgar Hoover's G Men were too busy delving into the sex lives of politicians to worry about international intrigue. FDR could have joined the communist party and it would not have resonated in government or the media and if it did the media would have no doubt justified it so Hopkins' relationship with the USSR is pretty much a moot point.

"...there was no American "intelligence" network during FDR's time."

1. "The Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was a United States intelligence agency formed during World War II. It was the wartime intelligence agency, and it was a predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). The OSS was formed in order to coordinate espionage activities behind enemy lines for the branches of the United States Armed Forces."
Office of Strategic Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Formed in 1942.


2. In November of 1944, “according to Elizabeth Bentley, there came an urgent warning from an agent in the White House, Roosevelt’s administrative assistant Lauchlin Currie. Currie reported that ‘the Americans were on the verge of breaking the Soviet code.’ The alarm appears to have subsided when it was discovered that Currie had wrongly concluded that a fire-damaged NKGB codebook obtained by OSS from the Finns would enable Soviet communications (which went through a further, theoretically impenetrable, encipherment by ‘one-time pad’) to be decrypted.”
The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.p.130

3. "...in late 1944 the U.S. Office of Strategic Services (predecessor to the Central Intelligence Agency) obtained from Finnish intelligence officers a Soviet code book (or a collection of Soviet code and cipher material, the record is not entirely clear). Secretary of State Stettinius learned of the matter, and in what is in retrospect a remarkably naive act, successfully urged President Roosevelt to order the OSS to hand the material over to the Soviets as a gesture of good will. So far as is known, the OSS did not even keep a copy."
Edward Stettinius, Jr., memorandum for the President, “Soviet Codes,” 27 December 1944, President’s Secretary’s Files, “Russia — 1944,” box 49, Franklin D. Roosevelt Library.
Was Harry Hopkins A Soviet Spy? | FrontPage Magazine


....not much of an intelligence network, it seems....

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're probably one of the least equipped people in the world to make value judgments on the thousands of decisions Hopkins made while in the stratosphere of International Politics and Diplomacy. The subtle give and take at that level is way beyond your monochromatic, prejudiced, simple-minded intellect. If only you could remove the blinders of your hyper-reactionary world view.

But hey, you've finally hit on the line of attack I suggested many posts ago. Good for you, now if you could only stick to the truth. Sadly I doubt you are capable of embracing truth when it conflicts with your ends-justifies-the means tactics. Destruction of the nebulous "Left" you hate so much leads you to hate the real America, as I've said before. Hate is your stock in trade.

Now, then.....speaking of the truth about the Soviet spy, Harry Hopkins....


10. Due to the Lend-Lease program, Russian presence in wartime America was so large that they had to set up a corporate headquarters on Sixteenth Street in Washington. One of the executives in th huge staff was Victor Kravchenko, metallurgist, engineer, executive, and captain in the Red Army. And the first Soviet “defector.”
Fleming, "The Anti-Communist Manifestoes," p. 182-183.

a. Stalin went into a rage! He demanded that Kravchenko be sent back. Guess Hopkin's position. Yup- he tried to convince FDR to send Kravchenko back. But FDR understood that he would be shot, and the publicity would be terrible (1945 was an election year, and the Senate was considering the UN).

BTW- Kravchenko received asylum on April 12, 1945....right after FDR died.

b. Hopkins spoke of Kravchenko as a "deserter," exactly as the Soviets did. Sound like a devotee of liberty and freedom? Or more like a Marxist?



One more example of Harry Hopkins, Stalin's envoy to the United States, "..."Harry Hopkins ... who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America ... for America."

You said that, didn't you, Backside-boy?

Which is more of a joke,....that quote......or you?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Another thing to consider is that there was no American "intelligence" network during FDR's time. The Country was pretty much run by a virtual king who would not step down until he died. The fawning media was pretty much a part of the administration and anything the king decided including the incarceration of American citizens without due process was fine. The Supreme Court was either in FDR's back pocket or they were afraid of the administration. The US was so grossly unprepared for war in the Pacific that it bordered on criminal negligence. Wild Bill Donovan's fledgling OSS was a laughable attempt at espionage and counter espionage by a bunch of rank amateurs and the scant information they gleaned had nowhere to go. J. Edgar Hoover's G Men were too busy delving into the sex lives of politicians to worry about international intrigue. FDR could have joined the communist party and it would not have resonated in government or the media and if it did the media would have no doubt justified it so Hopkins' relationship with the USSR is pretty much a moot point.

"The Supreme Court was either in FDR's back pocket or they were afraid of the administration."

You hit it out of the park with that one, whitey......


By cowing the Supreme Court, King Franklin the First ended this nation as we knew it.

No longer would there be checks and balances.....just the Imperial Presidency.


On April 12, 1937, the United States ceased to be a republic of limited constitutional government. The Supreme Court upheld the Wagner Labor Relations Act. No longer would the enumerated powers of the Constitution apply....now we would be a European model welfare state, in which the national legislature has power to regulate industry, agriculture, and virtually all the activities of the citizens. The coda came when the court upheld the Social Security Act on May 24, 1937, and, then, the compulsory marketing quotas of the new AAA, on April 17, 1936.
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p. 68-69


We're basking in the afterglow of the late, great United States of America.

 

[HenryBHough]

At the end of the day, the jig was up for FDR when God said: "Enough of this shit". Not in words, of course......

Open question as to whether He referred to stuff being done or to one particular turd.

Either way.......

 

[Bfgrn]

At the end of the day, the jig was up for FDR when God said: "Enough of this shit". Not in words, of course......

Open question as to whether He referred to stuff being done or to one particular turd.

Either way.......

You are a low life piece of shit. God would have approved of what FDR tried to do, not condemn it.

 

[Camp]

Another thing to consider is that there was no American "intelligence" network during FDR's time. The Country was pretty much run by a virtual king who would not step down until he died. The fawning media was pretty much a part of the administration and anything the king decided including the incarceration of American citizens without due process was fine. The Supreme Court was either in FDR's back pocket or they were afraid of the administration. The US was so grossly unprepared for war in the Pacific that it bordered on criminal negligence. Wild Bill Donovan's fledgling OSS was a laughable attempt at espionage and counter espionage by a bunch of rank amateurs and the scant information they gleaned had nowhere to go. J. Edgar Hoover's G Men were too busy delving into the sex lives of politicians to worry about international intrigue. FDR could have joined the communist party and it would not have resonated in government or the media and if it did the media would have no doubt justified it so Hopkins' relationship with the USSR is pretty much a moot point.

You are wrong about just about everything due to you lack of knowledge about the subjects you are attempting to address. Your evaluation of the OSS is totally off base. It is obvious you have little if any knowledge about the functions and history the OSS carried out during WWII. A real and genuine insult to those who served and those who gave their lives in the defense of our nation. All due to your lack of understanding and knowledge about how espionage and intelligence gathering were conducted by various units, both civilian and military during this period of our history.
The Bureau of Navel Intelligence became operational in 1882. Military Intelligence Division (MID-US ARMY) has been operational since the same time. In addition joint operations between the military and othe US agencyies like the State Department, Secret Service, Dept. of Justice, etc. have been created at various times. This would include "Black Chamber" aka US Cipher Bureau which was the forerunner of NSA and shared intel with various other agencies and groups as needed.
It may have been a poorly organized system, but it certainly wasn't non-existent.

 

[HenryBHough]

At the end of the day, the jig was up for FDR when God said: "Enough of this shit". Not in words, of course......

Open question as to whether He referred to stuff being done or to one particular turd.

Either way.......

You are a low life piece of shit. God would have approved of what FDR tried to do, not condemn it.

Were Your New Messiah an actual God, yeah, you DO have a point.

 

[Camp]

at the end of the day, the jig was up for fdr when god said: "enough of this shit". Not in words, of course......

Open question as to whether he referred to stuff being done or to one particular turd.

Either way.......

you are a low life piece of shit. God would have approved of what fdr tried to do, not condemn it.

were your new messiah an actual god, yeah, you do have a point.

benghazi

 

[SmedlyButler]

Have you heard this Churchill quote, "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".

Have you heard this? ... Churchill said, “No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.” Churchill then said that Britain would provide all possible military aid to the Soviet Union in its battle against Germany. It was a testament to the desperate situation confronting both nations that Churchill, a champion of democracy, would agree to an alliance with a tyrannical regime at least as bad as that of Nazi Germany.

Do they at least stir some thought of the impossible decisions, the political equivalents of "Sophie's Choice" that had to be made at every stage of this apocalyptic battle between good and evil?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Have you heard this Churchill quote, "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".

Have you heard this? ... Churchill said, “No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.” Churchill then said that Britain would provide all possible military aid to the Soviet Union in its battle against Germany. It was a testament to the desperate situation confronting both nations that Churchill, a champion of democracy, would agree to an alliance with a tyrannical regime at least as bad as that of Nazi Germany.

Do they at least stir some thought of the impossible decisions, the political equivalents of "Sophie's Choice" that had to be made at every stage of this apocalyptic battle between good and evil?

So....you don't know about Kravchenko, huh?


Figures.....you don't know enough about the Soviet spy, Harry Hopkins, either.


Starting to regret that quote, Smugly?
This one: "Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America. You and your sniveling yapping back-stabbing ilk are not fit to lick his boots."



BTW....
I'm planning to construct a post explaining the real relationship between Churchill, Stalin....and Hopkins.

Watch for it....you'll learn a lot.

 

[SmedlyButler]

Have you heard this Churchill quote, "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".

Have you heard this? ... Churchill said, “No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.” Churchill then said that Britain would provide all possible military aid to the Soviet Union in its battle against Germany. It was a testament to the desperate situation confronting both nations that Churchill, a champion of democracy, would agree to an alliance with a tyrannical regime at least as bad as that of Nazi Germany.

Do they at least stir some thought of the impossible decisions, the political equivalents of "Sophie's Choice" that had to be made at every stage of this apocalyptic battle between good and evil?

So....you don't know about Kravchenko, huh?


Figures.....you don't know enough about the Soviet spy, Harry Hopkins, either.


Starting to regret that quote, Smugly?
This one: "Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America. You and your sniveling yapping back-stabbing ilk are not fit to lick his boots."



BTW....
I'm planning to construct a post explaining the real relationship between Churchill, Stalin....and Hopkins.

Watch for it....you'll learn a lot.

It amazes me how you completely ignore everybody elses questions and expect them to snap to attention at yours. Shows a not minor trend to egocentrism I think.

I'm sorry, explain to me again how Kravchenko is the least bit relevant to the topic.

And I look forward to you attempting to trash Churchill, he's one of my favorites if you haven't noticed.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Have you heard this Churchill quote, "If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".

Have you heard this? ... Churchill said, “No one has been a more consistent opponent of Communism for the last twenty-five years. I will unsay no word I have spoken about it. But all this fades away before the spectacle which is now unfolding. The past, with its crimes, its follies, its tragedies, flashes away.… The Russian danger is therefore our danger, and the danger of the United States, just as the cause of any Russian fighting for hearth and house is the cause of free men and free peoples in every quarter of the globe.” Churchill then said that Britain would provide all possible military aid to the Soviet Union in its battle against Germany. It was a testament to the desperate situation confronting both nations that Churchill, a champion of democracy, would agree to an alliance with a tyrannical regime at least as bad as that of Nazi Germany.

Do they at least stir some thought of the impossible decisions, the political equivalents of "Sophie's Choice" that had to be made at every stage of this apocalyptic battle between good and evil?

So....you don't know about Kravchenko, huh?


Figures.....you don't know enough about the Soviet spy, Harry Hopkins, either.


Starting to regret that quote, Smugly?
This one: "Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America. You and your sniveling yapping back-stabbing ilk are not fit to lick his boots."



BTW....
I'm planning to construct a post explaining the real relationship between Churchill, Stalin....and Hopkins.

Watch for it....you'll learn a lot.

It amazes me how you completely ignore everybody elses questions and expect them to snap to attention at yours. Shows a not minor trend to egocentrism I think.

I'm sorry, explain to me again how Kravchenko is the least bit relevant to the topic.

And I look forward to you attempting to trash Churchill, he's one of my favorites if you haven't noticed.

1. "I'm sorry, explain to me again how Kravchenko is the least bit relevant to the topic."
See post #67.


2. "And I look forward to you attempting to trash Churchill,..."

In addition to making up the nonsense about Harry Hopkins being an American patriot, are you now lying in suggesting that I am "attempting to trash Churchill"?
Or...are you simply attempting to conflate Churchill with the spy, Hopkins?


Handling the truth carelessly seems to be a pattern with you.



Speaking of Harry Hopkins, Soviet spy....

11. Representative Martin Dies formed a committed to investigate communism, but found that government archives of communist records and correspondence had been destroyed.

He wrote: "I was informed, confidentially, by a man well placed in the Department of Justice, that they were destroyed after it was learned that the Dies Committee was determined to conduct a full-scale investigation of Communism."

It was Harry Hopkins who turned down Dies' request of assistance from Roosevelt to help furnish the nascent committee with a staff of lawyers, investigators and stenographers.
Dies, "Martin Dies' Story," p. 64.



Now....why would the archives of communist records and correspondence had been destroyed....and who would be high enough in government to have ordered that?

And why would "tireless American patriot" Harry Hopkins have gone out of his way to impede Dies investigation of communism in America?



I need to see it again....what was your claim?

Oh....right:

"Harry Hopkins was a true patriot who labored through the period in question sick with cancer but tirelessly for America and the World. He actually worked himself to death for America. You and your sniveling yapping back-stabbing ilk are not fit to lick his boots."


Tell me....are you still licking Harry Hopkins' boots?

 

[Camp]

Ha, Ha, Martin Dies started a committee to investigate communist. Ya, it was the Committee on Un-American Activities. The idiot couldn't be trusted, and he was for sure an idiot. He put Shirley Temple on one of his list of potential communist or at the very least a communist supporter. Shirley had sent a greeting card to a newspaper in France. The newspaper happened to be owned by communist. Shirley probably didn't know about the newspapers communist connection. Most 10 year old children don't think about those kinds of things. That is right, this asshole Congressman Dies put 10 year old Shirley Temple on a list of potential enemies of the USA because she sent a newspaper a hello card as part of a promotion for one of her films. So when Congressman Dies came to the FDR administration for assistance to further investigate alleged potential enemies of the USA, Harry Hopkins told him to go fuck himself.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ha, Ha, Martin Dies started a committee to investigate communist. Ya, it was the Committee on Un-American Activities. The idiot couldn't be trusted, and he was for sure an idiot. He put Shirley Temple on one of his list of potential communist or at the very least a communist supporter. Shirley had sent a greeting card to a newspaper in France. The newspaper happened to be owned by communist. Shirley probably didn't know about the newspapers communist connection. Most 10 year old children don't think about those kinds of things. That is right, this asshole Congressman Dies put 10 year old Shirley Temple on a list of potential enemies of the USA because she sent a newspaper a hello card as part of a promotion for one of her films. So when Congressman Dies came to the FDR administration for assistance to further investigate alleged potential enemies of the USA, Harry Hopkins told him to go fuck himself.

You're pedaling faster than Ed Begley, Jr., trying to make himself a piece of toast!
I can see why you're attempting to change the subject.
Because it is dispositive.


Hopkins tried to prevent the hearings.


Why?

Because there was no communist influence that was damaging the nation?

 

[SmedlyButler]

"I'm planning to construct a post explaining the real relationship between Churchill, Stalin....and Hopkins".

I don't think I can be faulted for assuming you were about to turn your peripatetic, malevolent gaze upon Churchill. Assaulting another great man with churlish, wanton abandon would not surprise any of us who know your loathsome script so well.

I fully expected you to start with the "Coventry story" which you could attack with the same venom you applied to FDR's and HH's wartime calculus. Whether the story was true or not would not enter into your odious conscience. Although you having a conscience of any sort does enter into my thoughts.

Anyway, listen, I want to thank you for the last few days, I've taken the opportunity to go back and look at some history I haven't visited for quite a while and that's a definite plus. Dealing with your incorrigible and obstinate disregard for the truth has only been a minor inconvenience, like the buzzing of a gnat just out of reach.

I love debate. However debating an unarmed, ill-prepared opponent does soon become tiresome. I have revealed the real Harry Hopkins as was my goal. You have revealed your historical buffoonery which I don't imagine was your goal. So although at times it's been fun toying with your inflated ego, until you come up with something other than your standard lightweight drivel I'll leave you with "Don't call me, I'll call you."