Harris TV Ad Lies About Social Security & Medicare

[protectionist]

Which has nothing to do with under the Trump call to remove income taxes for SS benefits the SS Trust fund runs out earlier resulting in a 20-25% cut in benefits.

My wife and I are lucky (due to her good planning), a 25% cut in SS Benefits results in a 7% cut in over all revenue.

WW

I'm not talking about taxes.

The outcomes you assume are in the future and are merely projections from unreliable foresight. 100 things could happen in the upcoming years to protect Social Security.

 

[Moonglow]

Maybe.

But Trump isn't doing that.

Not yet.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I'm not talking about taxes.

The outcomes you assume are in the future and are merely projections from unreliable foresight. 100 things could happen in the upcoming years to protect Social Security.

So you follow the Lib “hopium” mantra.

The fact is that Trumps pandering for votes pledging to cut SS income tax results in lower SS revenue and an even earlier cut to benefits is a logical fact.

So question, if Trump cuts SS income tax where does the money come from not to deplete the Trust Fund so benefits remain level?

WW

 

[Lesh]

FALSE! Trump said he had no connection to Project 2025. and referred to it as "abysmal".

So you guys can't come up with anything truthful to say. That says something about your standing in this election.

Gonna try and steal it again?

“Trump said..”

Bwahahahaha

 

[protectionist]

So you follow the Lib “hopium” mantra.

The fact is that Trumps pandering for votes pledging to cut SS income tax results in lower SS revenue and an even earlier cut to benefits is a logical fact.

So question, if Trump cuts SS income tax where does the money come from not to deplete the Trust Fund so benefits remain level?

WW

Never heard of Lib “hopium” mantra", much less follow it.

But at the risk of being accused of changing the subject slightly, I will simply say whatever gains come from cutting SS income tax, or losses from it, all that pales in comparison to the bizarre 2025 Social Security increase of a pitiful 2.5%.

This is alongside of 2021-2023 inflations of 100-200% in rental housing (112 Million Americans), and gas prices (210 million car owners).

2025 Social Security COLA Disqualifies Harris & Trump Both

Here it is Social Security recipients. The 2025 COLA. A whopping 2.5% increase. Arent you thrilled ? Wanna throw a party ? This is a DROP of 0.7% from the 2024 COLA. In the meantime, the rent on all apartments where I used to live has skyrocketd from $600/month to $1200, in just 3 years. If...

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[krichton]

Trump has pledged to eliminate income taxes on SS benefits/checks and taxes on overtime pay, both of which help fund SS. Then there's the promise of mass deportations of immigrants. All of whom pay into SS. That will bleed the SS fund dry. A lost of 33% is predicted by the CBO. If retirees lose 33% off their checks, guess what's going to happen. They'll need to find a job. Here's the kicker it this won't occur till 2031. By then Trump will be long out of office if he wins and it'll be directly blamed on the next democrat president. Then it becomes the job of democrats to bail out yet another disasterous republican run economy.

 

[protectionist]

Trump has pledged to eliminate income taxes on SS benefits/checks and taxes on overtime pay, both of which help fund SS. Then there's the promise of mass deportations of immigrants. All of whom pay into SS. That will bleed the SS fund dry. A lost of 33% is predicted by the CBO. If retirees lose 33% off their checks, guess what's going to happen. They'll need to find a job. Here's the kicker it this won't occur till 2031. By then Trump will be long out of office if he wins and it'll be directly blamed on the next democrat president. Then it becomes the job of democrats to bail out yet another disasterous republican run economy.

ha ha ha/ Leftist propaganda is getting dumber & dumber, and crazier & crazier, every day. Pheeew!

I guess it never occured to you that all the jobs that illegals leave, will then be filled by Americans.

 

[FireFly]

Trump and Vance want a weaker U.S. dollar. Be careful what you wish for.​

 

[FireFly]

ha ha ha/ Leftist propaganda is getting dumber & dumber, and crazier & crazier, every day. Pheeew!

I guess it never occured to you that all the jobs that illegals leave, will then be filled by Americans.

Retirees will be filling those jobs & no home care aids to for themselves.

 

[protectionist]

Retirees will be filling those jobs & no home care aids to for themselves.

I and everyone in my building, (105 apartments) are retirees. NOBODY here is going to take any job, and none of us are ABLE to do that

Now what's this about home care ?

 

[krichton]

ha ha ha/ Leftist propaganda is getting dumber & dumber, and crazier & crazier, every day. Pheeew!

I guess it never occured to you that all the jobs that illegals leave, will then be filled by Americans.

I guess the congressional budget office is now considered leftist propaganda? ok....

Why do you think undocumented immigrants are so sought after in the first place? Regular americans aren't interested in low wage manual labor work. Those jobs will go unfulfilled once they're gone. I guess this never occurred to you, even no one ever uses this claim because they know this to be the case.

 

[protectionist]

I guess the congressional budget office is now considered leftist propaganda? ok....

Why do you think undocumented immigrants are so sought after in the first place? Regular americans aren't interested in low wage manual labor work. Those jobs will go unfulfilled once they're gone. I guess this never occurred to you, even no one ever uses this claim because they know this to be the case.

1. I wasn't referring to anything from the CBO. The leftist propaganda I called out is from YOU > "there's the promise of mass deportations of immigrants. All of whom pay into SS. That will bleed the SS fund dry."
I already refuted that in post # 67 > "all the jobs that illegals leave, will then be filled by Americans."
2. For 20 years now, studies have shown that the jobs that illegal aliens do have more Americans working in them than illegals.
Among the findings:

• Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans comprise 47 percent of workers in these occupations.
• Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant are in fact majority native-born:
  • Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
  • Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
  • Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
  • Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
  • Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
  • Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 71 percent native-born
  • Janitors: 75 percent native-born
  • Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation
• And as for the TOUGHEST, DIRTIEST, & MOST DANGEROUS jobs, they are being done by Americans, not illegal aliens >>

 

[krichton]

1. I wasn't referring to anything from the CBO. The leftist propaganda I called out is from YOU > "there's the promise of mass deportations of immigrants. All of whom pay into SS. That will bleed the SS fund dry."
I already refuted that in post # 67 > "all the jobs that illegals leave, will then be filled by Americans."
2. For 20 years now, studies have shown that the jobs that illegal aliens do have more Americans working in them than illegals.
Among the findings:

• Of the 465 civilian occupations, only four are majority immigrant. These four occupations account for less than 1 percent of the total U.S. workforce. Moreover, native-born Americans comprise 47 percent of workers in these occupations.
• Many jobs often thought to be overwhelmingly immigrant are in fact majority native-born:
  • Maids and housekeepers: 55 percent native-born
  • Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 58 percent native-born
  • Butchers and meat processors: 63 percent native-born
  • Grounds maintenance workers: 65 percent native-born
  • Construction laborers: 65 percent native-born
  • Porters, bellhops, and concierges: 71 percent native-born
  • Janitors: 75 percent native-born
  • Jobs Americans Won’t Do? A Detailed Look at Immigrant Employment by Occupation
• And as for the TOUGHEST, DIRTIEST, & MOST DANGEROUS jobs, they are being done by Americans, not illegal aliens >>

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You didn't refute anything

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Despite Trump's claims, data shows migrants aren’t taking jobs from Black or Hispanic people

Trump, who often uses anti-immigrant rhetoric, has referred during his campaign to immigrants he says are taking “Black jobs” and “Hispanic jobs.” But government data show immigrant labor contributes to economic growth and provides promotional opportunities for native-born workers.

www.pbs.org

This is the problem with using sources that are ludicrously partisan. CIS is probably one of the extreme right wing websites you can probably go to get "information."

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Harris lies about everything

 

[protectionist]

You didn't refute anything

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Despite Trump's claims, data shows migrants aren’t taking jobs from Black or Hispanic people

Trump, who often uses anti-immigrant rhetoric, has referred during his campaign to immigrants he says are taking “Black jobs” and “Hispanic jobs.” But government data show immigrant labor contributes to economic growth and provides promotional opportunities for native-born workers.

www.pbs.org

This is the problem with using sources that are ludicrously partisan. CIS is probably one of the extreme right wing websites you can probably go to get "information."

CIS is not a questionable source, You claim that because you don't like the FACTS that they report. You would probably dismiss any source that didn't say what you like to hear. Ho hum. yawn****

And then you have the nerve to show up here with a source like PBS. Gag!

 

[SweetTea]

You mean join the rest of the civilized world? Our shareholder healthcare system isn't working.

The rest of the world WANTS to be like the US, but they can't get out of their own ways as many are full of liberal fools. You people just don't get it.

I have used this analogy many times in the past, but it is perfect so I will repeat it.

The 100 year reigning Super Bowl champs don't need to look to all the second place finishers for advice on how to run their program. Quite the opposite.

 

[Arlette]

The rest of the world WANTS to be like the US, but they can't get out of their own ways as many are full of liberal fools. You people just don't get it.

I have used this analogy many times in the past, but it is perfect so I will repeat it.

The 100 year reigning Super Bowl champs don't need to look to all the second place finishers for advice on how to run their program. Quite the opposite.

You're wrong

 

[krichton]

CIS is not a questionable source, You claim that because you don't like the FACTS that they report. You would probably dismiss any source that didn't say what you like to hear. Ho hum. yawn****

And then you have the nerve to show up here with a source like PBS. Gag!

Any site that leans left or right in the extreme is considered suspect. CIS is such a website.

Reasoning: Anti-Immigration Propaganda, Misleading Claims
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

yeah perfectly legit, lol. They're literally against legal immigration.

 

[krichton]

Harris lies about everything

Give some examples. You said everything, so there has to be a lot

 

[protectionist]

Any site that leans left or right in the extreme is considered suspect. CIS is such a website.

Reasoning: Anti-Immigration Propaganda, Misleading Claims
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

yeah perfectly legit, lol. They're literally against legal immigration.

Show one thing that CIS has ever said that was anti-legal immigration.

Show one thing that CIS has ever said that was "Extreme"

Who says MBFC has any credibility ?