Happy Hiroshima Day!

[Unkotare]

I’ve yet to hear one alternative from any revisionist that didn’t include absurd lies like Japan was about to surrender anyway.
And you constantly shift to cover for your ignorance/lies.

Who has said "about to"? If you are confident in your position, why would you feel the need to resort to a straw man?

 

[Unkotare]

Again with the lies.
Japan wanted to surrender so bad they attempted a coup to keep the war going.

There you go again with your 'Big Grip Crayons' understanding of history.

 

[Markle]

There are multiple attempts to surrender. You’re uninformed as most Americans are.

Japan NEVER offered an unconditional surrender. They demanded that their Emporer remain in power.

 

[Unkotare]

Japan NEVER offered an unconditional surrender. They demanded that their Emporer remain in power.

The condition we agreed to AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

 

[Anomalism]

I’ve yet to hear one alternative from any revisionist that didn’t include absurd lies like Japan was about to surrender anyway.
And you constantly shift to cover for your ignorance/lies.

It didn't matter if they surrendered or not. Their air force and navy were decimated. They no longer had the means to be the aggressor against America. By the end we were firebombing their cities with almost no resistance. We could have just left. We had more than proven our point. They never would have fucked with us again even without the nukes.

 

[Man of Ethics]

So, all the civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki committed atrocities?

USA acted worse then Osama bin Laden on 9/11/01.

American firepower killed 500,000 civilians in Japan, about 1,500,000 civilians in Korea, and at least 1,000,000 civilians in Southeast Asia.

 

[gipper]

Japan NEVER offered an unconditional surrender. They demanded that their Emporer remain in power.

No need for unconditional surrender, unless you’re a murderous imperialist.

 

[gipper]

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It's how all wars are won, which is why we havent won any wars since. Do you even know the atrocities of the Japanese people? They were not innocent.

I thought we were better than tit-got-tat.

 

[Markle]

No need for unconditional surrender, unless you’re a murderous imperialist.

You're right, Japan was a murderous imperialist and the only safe prudent victory was to crush them and force their unconditional surrender.

Thank you!

 

[Markle]

The condition we agreed to AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Wrong AGAIN! He remained as a figurehead but had no control or power going forward.

 

[Unkotare]

Wrong AGAIN! He remained as a figurehead but had no control or power going forward.

This is where you go study some history and understand the role of the position for hundreds and hundreds of years.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The condition we agreed to AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

No we did not the emperor remained as a FIGUREHEAD nothing more, the Japanese NEVER offered that.

 

[Markle]

No we did not the emperor remained as a FIGUREHEAD nothing more, the Japanese NEVER offered that.

Not unlike the King and/or Queen of England.

 

[Markle]

This is where you go study some history and understand the role of the position for hundreds and hundreds of years.

 

[mikegriffith1]

If you want a trustworthy book that shows that many Japanese soldiers served honorably and did not brutalize or mistreat POWs, read Manny Lawton's book Some Survived: An Epic Account of Japanese Captivity During World War II (the Kindle version is titled Some Survived: An Eyewitness Account of the Bataan Death March and the Men Who Lived through It). Lawton survived the Bataan Death March and World War II. He spent three years in Japanese POW camps.

Lawton pulls no punches and spares no adjectives in describing the brutal actions of some Japanese soldiers. But, surprisingly enough, he also describes many cases where other Japanese soldiers treated POWs humanely and even kindly.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It didn't matter if they surrendered or not. Their air force and navy were decimated. They no longer had the means to be the aggressor against America. By the end we were firebombing their cities with almost no resistance. We could have just left. We had more than proven our point. They never would have fucked with us again even without the nukes.

The rape camps, human experiment camps, the murdering of civilians in Korea, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, all were continuing.
Now doubt our men and women held as POW cattle were very appreciative of the war ending ASAP.
It’s just that evildoers like you see no problem with letting evil flourish.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The condition we agreed to AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Firebombing is your preferred weapon then.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No need for unconditional surrender, unless you’re a murderous imperialist.

Evildoers like you love to see evil flourish.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The condition we agreed to AFTER incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Your dates and facts are all wrong, TEACHER.

‘Following the bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 (left), the Japanese government met to consider what to do next. The emperor had been urging since June that Japan find some way to end the war, but the Japanese Minister of War and the heads of both the Army and the Navy held to their position that Japan should wait and see if arbitration via the Soviet Union might still produce something less than a surrender. Military leaders also hoped that if they could hold out until the ground invasion of Japan began, they would be able to inflict so many casualties on the Allies that Japan still might win some sort of negotiated settlement. Next came the virtually simultaneous arrival of news of the Soviet declaration of war on Japan of August 8, 1945, and the atomic bombing of Nagasaki of the following day. Another Imperial Council was held the night of August 9-10, and this time the vote on surrender was a tie, 3-to-3. For the first time in a generation, the emperor (right) stepped forward from his normally ceremonial-only role and personally broke the tie, ordering Japan to surrender. On August 10, 1945, Japan offered to surrender to the Allies, the only condition being that the emperor be allowed to remain the nominal head of state.

TWO DAYS AFTER NAGASAKI

On August 12, the United States announced that it would accept the Japanese surrender, making clear in its statement that the emperor could remain in a purely ceremonial capacity only. Debate raged within the Japanese government over whether to accept the American terms or fight on. Meanwhile, American leaders were growing impatient, and on August 13 conventional air raids resumed on Japan. Thousands more Japanese civilians died while their leaders delayed. The Japanese people learned of the surrender negotiations for the first time when, on August 14, B-29s showered Tokyo with thousands of leaflets containing translated copies of the American reply of August 12. Later that day, the emperor called another meeting of his cabinet and instructed them to accept the Allied terms immediately, explaining "I cannot endure the thought of letting my people suffer any longer"; if the war did not end "the whole nation would be reduced to ashes."

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The only question remaining now was if Japan's military leaders would allow the emperor to surrender. Loyalty to the emperor was an absolute in the Japanese military, but so was the refusal to surrender, and now that the two had come into conflict, open rebellion was a possible result. The emperor recorded a message in which he personally accepted the Allied surrender terms, to be broadcast over Japanese radio the following day. This way everyone in Japan would know that surrender was the emperor's personal will. Some within the Japanese military actually attempted to steal this recording before it could be

broadcast, while others attempted a more general military coup in order to seize power and continue the war. Other elements of the Japanese military remained loyal to the emperor. The Minister of War, General Anami Korechika, personally supported continuing the war, but he also could not bring himself to openly rebel against his emperor. The strength of his dilemma was such that he opted for suicide as the only honorable way out. In the end, his refusal to assist the coup plotters was instrumental in their defeat by elements within the military that remained loyal to the emperor.

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On August 15, 1945, the emperor's broadcast announcing Japan's surrender was heard via radio all over Japan. For most of his subjects, it was the first time that they had ever heard his voice. The emperor explained that "the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage," and that "the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb." Over the next few weeks, Japan and the United States worked out the details of the surrender, and on September 2, 1945, the formal surrender ceremony took place on the deck of the U.S.S. Missouri.

Manhattan Project: Japan Surrenders, August 10-15, 1945

 

[Unkotare]

Your dates and facts are all wrong, .....

They are not, no matter how badly you need to cling to a comfortable narrative.