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Yes. And then the OP started a thread on it, describing the difference in damage to human bodies.Just like we knew rifle rounds do more damage than handgun rounds. Derp.
It’s comparing apples and oranges dummy. Yes they are both fruit but it’s not the same thing. You would think you anti gun people would have at least a basic working knowledge of something your so passionate about.Yes. And then the OP started a thread on it, describing the difference in damage to human bodies.
Wow, it's like you just ran headfirst into post #1.
We will give you a bit to catch up.
You asked me a question.
I easily answred it.
You ignored my points, because you thought your simpleton question was tough, but it wasn't.
So now you have your little fit, after your one attempt at something resembling a point was easily dispatched.
Rinse, repeat.
Yes, comparing the damage two different bullets do to a child's body is like comparing apples and oranges, if you have had a botched lobotomy and your penis is stuck in your gun again.It’s comparing apples and oranges dummy.
But it is simple fact and just plain logical, as well.
There are voices saying maybe it is time to show the photos of the dead kids who are killed by mass shooters so the public can see just how horrific AR-15s are. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/01/uvalde-mass-shootings-graphic-images/
This was very effective when Emmett Till's mother insisted her son's funeral be an open casket and that his body be shown in the papers so everyone could see what the racist assholes who murdered him had done. The photo of Till's body shocked the public and sentiment began turning against the segregationist South.
I have mixed feelings about showing the bodies of these small children. At the very least, it would have to be done with the permission of the parents.
But I think it would be helpful for the public to understand just how horrific these so-called "weapons of war" really are.
Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.
With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.www.theatlantic.com
Can't pull on emotive strings, if you don't care about large holes in children. So I guess you're immune.
That conservatives are cowards who fear facts and the truth, such as a rifle/carbine chambered in a round with a MV in excess of 3200 fps and the effect that round has on the human body.Is there a point to all of this?
This is a lie.Shrugs end game is gun confiscation if you really gave a shit there were be demands to arm teachers and have armed security in all schools other than that I don't give a shit about your fack feelings.
Wrong.Nobody uses holocaust images to ban guns. But the holocaust couldn't have happened without guns. And ironically would probably not have happened had the Jews had guns.
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The only thing crystal clear is how idiotic this post is.And I will tell you to go to hell to blame those who didn't do this. You want to punish us for the sins of others.
Let me make this crystal clear to you............SCREW YOU.
I am immune to your pathetic appeals to emotion.You reveal your utter lack of morality and basic human qualities.
About Large holes in children: Huh? Did someone say something?
About posters who discusses large holes in children not being desirable: This is a travesty! I am being oppressed! I must insult you immediately!
You dicks can't help but tell on yourselves. You are who you are.
If conservatives were smart, they’d acknowledge the facts concerning AR 15s and address the thread topic.I am immune to your pathetic appeals to emotion.
I am a person who values liberty. The only means of protecting liberty is threat of force.
THAT IS A FACT and it is dispassionate, unaffected by your attempt to shame us with your croc tears.
There are voices saying maybe it is time to show the photos of the dead kids who are killed by mass shooters so the public can see just how horrific AR-15s are. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/01/uvalde-mass-shootings-graphic-images/
This was very effective when Emmett Till's mother insisted her son's funeral be an open casket and that his body be shown in the papers so everyone could see what the racist assholes who murdered him had done. The photo of Till's body shocked the public and sentiment began turning against the segregationist South.
I have mixed feelings about showing the bodies of these small children. At the very least, it would have to be done with the permission of the parents.
But I think it would be helpful for the public to understand just how horrific these so-called "weapons of war" really are.
Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.
With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.
Wow! That was pretty informative, though as a novice, I would need to read it a few more times to understand it all!No, it is not a fact. One should not be forced to delve into the gory details to disprove such fiction, nor should such deception be disseminated into the minds of the American people with the clear motivation to terrify them into surrendering additional freedom or rights in exchange for a sense of blatantly false security.
Laymen tend to prop themselves up on widely speculated generalizations about a great many things indeed. To a laymen, concerning firearms, the large or longer the weapon the more powerful it must be. To a laymen, concerning bullet calibers, the longer the bullet the more deadly it must be. To a laymen, regarding AR platform rifles, they are chambered only in one caliber; the laymen does not know which caliber this is exactly or its capabilities, only that the military has used it for many years so it must be the most lethal caliber ever invented. To a laymen, handguns are useless for combat and only rifles can effectively kill scores of people on the battlefield. Lastly, to a laymen bullets in all AR caliber chamberings are the same shape, weight, and composition as those issued to and in use by our military forces.
When most laymen think of the weakest rifle caliber chambering in civilian hunting firearms they think of .22 long rifle, which is an exactly one inch long by 0.223" diameter, the same bullet diameter coincidentally as that dreaded bullet issued to our military forces. The .22 long rifle has been among the most common civilian hunting bullet since 1884. In the right hands the .22 long rifle can be deadlier than a .223 or 5.56mm (there are slight dimensional differences) military issue bullet. Countless hunters of all ages have harvested small game for the table using the .22 long rifle for over a century. If a skilled shooter decided to kill lots of people at once with a .22 long rifle capable of holding only five rounds—he could do it. Should the model of 1884 .22 long rifle hunting cartridge also be banned?
The 5.56x45mm NATO military issue chambering, also the most common AR platform caliber (.223 in civilian terms and with only slight dimensional differences) measures 2.26 inches in length and is just over two tenths of inch in diameter, and is not exclusively a rifle bullet. The 10mm auto chambering, most commonly considered a handgun cartridge, is 1.26 inches in length and .40" in diameter. The most common AR rifle barrel lengths are 16-20 inches. The most common 10mm pistol barrel lengths are 4.5-6", which is up to 15.5" shorter than the longest common AR rifle barrel length. And yet, when loaded with the most powerful +P loads available, the 10mm auto can not only approach velocities of the 5.56x45 NATO military issue bullet but also deliver more human tissue and bone damage, partially due to its much greater bullet diameter. Finally, there are much, much more powerful handgun cartridges commonly used for hunting dangerous big game that generate much, much more energy than the 13-1400 foot pounds delivered point blank by an AR-15 chambered in 5.56mm NATO. Thus proving handguns can be much deadlier than the AR in 5.56, and proving AR-15 rifles are not more powerful than handguns, as the idiotic OP professed to be fact.
Bullet composition/design is another concept most laymen do not comprehend. Military issue ammunition of specific and arguably more deadly varieties is not commonly available to the public, or is usually rare and expensive if purchasable. Nevertheless, most military issue ammunition is designed to over penetrate in order to get through thick clothing, wearable web gear and sometimes body armor and still retain enough energy to keep going. A 5.56mm issue full metal jacket military round will often punch through the human core or limbs and keep on trucking. That's not to say it won't do plenty of gruesome damage to the human body on the way. However, when compared to a fragmenting soft copper hollow point handgun caliber bullet designed to cause massive internal trauma to the human body, the 5.56mm rifle round can be considered the less destructive of the two.
Lastly, the 5.56x45mm military caliber can be chambered in a host of different handguns much the same as common handgun calibers can be chambered in the AR rifle. So no, AR-15 rifles are not more powerful than handguns . . . that is simply not true and certainly not a fact. Claiming such to be fact is a scare tactic intended to instill fear in people who do not understand firearms or bullets or ballistics.
Are you seeing what dictator Trudy just did in Canada?If conservatives were smart, they’d acknowledge the facts concerning AR 15s and address the thread topic.
But conservatives are smart.
Instead of addressing the thread topic, they start with ridiculous lies about guns being ‘confiscated’ when no such thing was mentioned in the OP, confirming just how idiotic and dishonest conservatives truly are.
That conservatives are cowards who fear facts and the truth, such as a rifle/carbine chambered in a round with a MV in excess of 3200 fps and the effect that round has on the human body.
But conservatives’ fear is unwarranted – AR 15s won’t be banned, the same for 30 round magazines, nor should they be; bans don’t work and represent government excess and overreach.
You're a bunch of fucking ghouls trying to use these dead kids as prop's in a never ending campaign to deprive the law abiding of their 2nd Amendment Rights.There are voices saying maybe it is time to show the photos of the dead kids who are killed by mass shooters so the public can see just how horrific AR-15s are. Example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/01/uvalde-mass-shootings-graphic-images/
This was very effective when Emmett Till's mother insisted her son's funeral be an open casket and that his body be shown in the papers so everyone could see what the racist assholes who murdered him had done. The photo of Till's body shocked the public and sentiment began turning against the segregationist South.
I have mixed feelings about showing the bodies of these small children. At the very least, it would have to be done with the permission of the parents.
But I think it would be helpful for the public to understand just how horrific these so-called "weapons of war" really are.
Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.
With an AR-15, the shooter does not have to be particularly accurate. The victim does not have to be unlucky. If a victim takes a direct hit to the liver from an AR-15, the damage is far graver than that of a simple handgun-shot injury. Handgun injuries to the liver are generally survivable unless the bullet hits the main blood supply to the liver. An AR-15 bullet wound to the middle of the liver would cause so much bleeding that the patient would likely never make it to the trauma center to receive our care.
What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
They weren’t the first mass-shooting victims the Florida radiologist saw—but their wounds were radically different.
