Hamas refuses to recognize " 67 borders"

[proudveteran06]

What point are you trying to make?

Israel is being criticized for not obeying " International Law" by refusing the " Two State Solution" along the 67 Lines that were never recognized, Yet when Hamas says their goal is to " liberate all of Palestine" and State they are not for a PERMANENT " Two State Solution" that's not stating for all the world to hear they intent not to abide by " International Law"? Another things Pro Palestinians are noted for; Racism and Hypocrisy.

The two state solution is not sanctioned by international law. Actually, imposing a two state solution contravenes international law.

So, the U.N broke " International Law"? Tell us then how it can be fixed and what Israel should do to achieve " peace" We do agree on one issue; those 67 Borders were never recognized and Israel does not have to respect them now.

 

[proudveteran06]

et al,

This is all HAMAS political double-talk.

If they accept the 1967 Border, then what is on the other side of the border from the Palestinian State?

Double-talk... Means nothing.

Most Respectfully,
R

Answer is simple. With " Right of Return". their goal is to start Jihad WITHIN Israel . They admit they want to liberate all of " Palestine" ( Which doesn't exist) Just one more reason why there will never be " Right of Return" They also admit that a " truce". is NOT " peace".

it's simpler than jihad... they produce at greater rates than jews. they would simply take over by virtue of demographics under a so-called "right of return".

I think Jordan should take in their people.

That is their plan! To annex Israel to " Palestine" and create Jihad inside Israel . Hamas gave Israel another reason not to comply.

 

[proudveteran06]

LOL in Tinmore's dream world, Hamas will one day capture all of Israel and rename it The Islamic Khalifate of Palestine. It's just a sign of his mental illness.

After there is peace, there will be no reason for Hamas to exist as a political force.

So peace to you means the total collapse of the state of Israel.

Are there any good psychiatrists in your neighborhood? You are off your rockers buddy.

Lets see if the Palestinian is honest enough to admit it . Know when a Pro Palestinian lies? When they open their mouth.

 

[Phoenall]

There are not, and there never were, any "1967 borders." Those are just the 1949 armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

So what is this flap about Hamas not recognizing them?

A change of tune tinman after demanding the world recognises the pre 67 borders. The fact is the UN stated at the same time as they said the armistice lines were not borders that the parties had to negotiate a settlement and mutually agreed borders.

So were are the Palestinians attempts at negotiating those borders ?

I have never recognized the so called '67 borders.

The Palestinians do not have to negotiate borders.

Yes they do if they want to be recognised fully by the UN as it is part of the UN resolutions regarding the area. And seeing as Palestine had no sovereignty until 1988 then they need to talk peace and borders with their neighbours Israel, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi and Syria if they are to exist in the future

 

[Phoenall]

Excellent point Tinmore. A two state solution is not only in violatrion of international but would only result in two states at endless war.

The remedy for this conflict is a one state solution whereby an agreement is reached to transport the Palestinians back to their indigenous homelands. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Israel is being criticized for not obeying " International Law" by refusing the " Two State Solution" along the 67 Lines that were never recognized, Yet when Hamas says their goal is to " liberate all of Palestine" and State they are not for a PERMANENT " Two State Solution" that's not stating for all the world to hear they intent not to abide by " International Law"? Another things Pro Palestinians are noted for; Racism and Hypocrisy.

The two state solution is not sanctioned by international law. Actually, imposing a two state solution contravenes international law.

Cite the International Law that applies in this case, and tell the board who the signatories were to the treaties setting this in place.

 

[Phoenall]

The two state solution is not sanctioned by international law. Actually, imposing a two state solution contravenes international law.

>>United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, in a message read out by Robert Serry, United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, said the political stalemate posed “great risks to the prospects of a two-State solution”, and continued inaction could result in further instability. “The parties should realize that not making a choice in favour of peace and coexistence within the two-State framework is the most detrimental choice of all.” <<

What does that have to do with my post?

Because in the near future that will supersede your alleged International Law .

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

This is all HAMAS political double-talk.

If they accept the 1967 Border, then what is on the other side of the border from the Palestinian State?

Double-talk... Means nothing.

Most Respectfully,
R

Answer is simple. With " Right of Return". their goal is to start Jihad WITHIN Israel . They admit they want to liberate all of " Palestine" ( Which doesn't exist) Just one more reason why there will never be " Right of Return" They also admit that a " truce". is NOT " peace".

it's simpler than jihad... they reproduce at greater rates than jews. they would simply take over by virtue of demographics under a so-called "right of return".

I think Jordan should take in their people.

What everyone is forgetting is that in 1949 the UN enshrined Israel's continual existence as THE JEWISH STATE that is irrevocable and is now International law. So the Palestinians could take the land and mass murder all the Jews and still Israel would exist as THE JEWISH STATE and would be refereed to as such in the UN. Much to the annoyance and dismay of the muslims.

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel is being criticized for not obeying " International Law" by refusing the " Two State Solution" along the 67 Lines that were never recognized, Yet when Hamas says their goal is to " liberate all of Palestine" and State they are not for a PERMANENT " Two State Solution" that's not stating for all the world to hear they intent not to abide by " International Law"? Another things Pro Palestinians are noted for; Racism and Hypocrisy.

That's not what they said in your link.

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel is being criticized for not obeying " International Law" by refusing the " Two State Solution" along the 67 Lines that were never recognized, Yet when Hamas says their goal is to " liberate all of Palestine" and State they are not for a PERMANENT " Two State Solution" that's not stating for all the world to hear they intent not to abide by " International Law"? Another things Pro Palestinians are noted for; Racism and Hypocrisy.

That's not what they said in your link.

Another Pro Palestinian lie. The claim is they can't recognize Israel because their goal is to LIBERATE " all their lands" Put away your hate, racism , bias and THINK

 

[Billo_Really]

Another Pro Palestinian lie. The claim is they can't recognize Israel because their goal is to LIBERATE " all their lands" Put away your hate, racism , bias and THINK

I don't hate, I'm not a racist and I think a lot. Obviously more than you do, if I have to show you what your own link say's...

From your own link:
The Gaza strongman went on to tell Ma'an that Hamas would be willing to recognize a Palestinian state "on any part of Palestine," as opposed to the group's proclaimed aim to form a state "from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea."

That's not "wipe out" talk.

And they go on to say...

From your own link:
Palestinian leaders plan to ask the United Nations General Assembly in September to recognize a Palestinian state in all the lands Israel occupied in 1967.

"...all the lands Israel occupied in 1967"

That's not liberating "all the lands", just the ones that have been occupied.

So I wasn't lying and I wasn't biased..................YOU WERE!

 

[proudveteran06]

Another Pro Palestinian lie. The claim is they can't recognize Israel because their goal is to LIBERATE " all their lands" Put away your hate, racism , bias and THINK

I don't hate, I'm not a racist and I think a lot. Obviously more than you do, if I have to show you what your own link say's...

From your own link:
The Gaza strongman went on to tell Ma'an that Hamas would be willing to recognize a Palestinian state "on any part of Palestine," as opposed to the group's proclaimed aim to form a state "from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea."

That's not "wipe out" talk.

And they go on to say...

From your own link:
Palestinian leaders plan to ask the United Nations General Assembly in September to recognize a Palestinian state in all the lands Israel occupied in 1967.

"...all the lands Israel occupied in 1967"

That's not liberating "all the lands", just the ones that have been occupied.

So I wasn't lying and I wasn't biased..................YOU WERE!

Another Pro Palestinian lie! You are biased and Racist.

Hamas accepts 1967 borders, but will never recognize Israel, top official saysIsrael News - Haaretz Israeli News source

From that SAME article;


Speaking to Palestinian news agency Ma'an, Mahmoud Zahar says recognition of Israel would deprive future Palestinian generations of the possibility to 'liberate' their lands.

"]
Hamas would be willing to accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, a leader of the militant group, Mahmoud Zahar, told the Palestinian news agency Ma'an on Wednesday, adding, however, that Hamas would never recognize Israel since such a move would counter the group's aim to "liberate" all of Palestine.[/COLOR]

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Speaking to Ma'an on Wednesday, Zahar, hinting at the possible political line of a future Palestinian unity cabinet, said that recognizing Israel would "preclude the right of the next generations to liberate the lands," wondering: "What will be the fate of the five million Palestinians in the diaspora?"


The message is quite clear to anyone that can read and is not Racist that Hamas will NOT accept Israel within the " 67 Borders". I am not the liar.... YOU ARE !

 

[P F Tinmore]

Another Pro Palestinian lie. The claim is they can't recognize Israel because their goal is to LIBERATE " all their lands" Put away your hate, racism , bias and THINK

I don't hate, I'm not a racist and I think a lot. Obviously more than you do, if I have to show you what your own link say's...

That's not "wipe out" talk.

And they go on to say...

From your own link:
Palestinian leaders plan to ask the United Nations General Assembly in September to recognize a Palestinian state in all the lands Israel occupied in 1967.

"...all the lands Israel occupied in 1967"

That's not liberating "all the lands", just the ones that have been occupied.

So I wasn't lying and I wasn't biased..................YOU WERE!

Another Pro Palestinian lie! You are biased and Racist.

Hamas accepts 1967 borders, but will never recognize Israel, top official saysIsrael News - Haaretz Israeli News source

From that SAME article;


Speaking to Palestinian news agency Ma'an, Mahmoud Zahar says recognition of Israel would deprive future Palestinian generations of the possibility to 'liberate' their lands.

"]
Hamas would be willing to accept a Palestinian state within 1967 borders, a leader of the militant group, Mahmoud Zahar, told the Palestinian news agency Ma'an on Wednesday, adding, however, that Hamas would never recognize Israel since such a move would counter the group's aim to "liberate" all of Palestine.[/COLOR]

[/COLOR][/COLOR]
Speaking to Ma'an on Wednesday, Zahar, hinting at the possible political line of a future Palestinian unity cabinet, said that recognizing Israel would "preclude the right of the next generations to liberate the lands," wondering: "What will be the fate of the five million Palestinians in the diaspora?"


The message is quite clear to anyone that can read and is not Racist that Hamas will NOT accept Israel within the " 67 Borders". I am not the liar.... YOU ARE !

"liberate" all of Palestine.

Is liberty a bad thing?

 

[aris2chat]

>>United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, in a message read out by Robert Serry, United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, said the political stalemate posed “great risks to the prospects of a two-State solution”, and continued inaction could result in further instability. “The parties should realize that not making a choice in favour of peace and coexistence within the two-State framework is the most detrimental choice of all.” <<

What does that have to do with my post?

Because in the near future that will supersede your alleged International Law .

put the guns down and talk to each other. I know some in the region can argue endlessly, but letting each speak without interruption and then the next ones speak. Find some middle ground for each issue.
try not to break the table and chair though

 

[P F Tinmore]

What does that have to do with my post?

Because in the near future that will supersede your alleged International Law .

put the guns down and talk to each other. I know some in the region can argue endlessly, but letting each speak without interruption and then the next ones speak. Find some middle ground for each issue.
try not to break the table and chair though

Israel will not allow that to happen.

 

[toastman]

Because in the near future that will supersede your alleged International Law .

put the guns down and talk to each other. I know some in the region can argue endlessly, but letting each speak without interruption and then the next ones speak. Find some middle ground for each issue.
try not to break the table and chair though

Israel will not allow that to happen.

But the Palestinians will

You're incredibly biased...

 

[P F Tinmore]

put the guns down and talk to each other. I know some in the region can argue endlessly, but letting each speak without interruption and then the next ones speak. Find some middle ground for each issue.
try not to break the table and chair though

Israel will not allow that to happen.

But the Palestinians will

You're incredibly biased...

Who have the Palestinians rejected participation in the peace talks?

 

[aris2chat]

Because in the near future that will supersede your alleged International Law .

put the guns down and talk to each other. I know some in the region can argue endlessly, but letting each speak without interruption and then the next ones speak. Find some middle ground for each issue.
try not to break the table and chair though

Israel will not allow that to happen.

Abbas was the one who walked.

 

[proudveteran06]

There are not, and there never were, any "1967 borders." Those are just the 1949 armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

So what is this flap about Hamas not recognizing them?

A change of tune tinman after demanding the world recognises the pre 67 borders. The fact is the UN stated at the same time as they said the armistice lines were not borders that the parties had to negotiate a settlement and mutually agreed borders.

So were are the Palestinians attempts at negotiating those borders ?

I have never recognized the so called '67 borders.

The Palestinians do not have to negotiate borders.

What you " want" is irrelevant. The Arabs never recognized the 48 " borders" . Israel does not have to accept them now. Same with the 67 " borders" . So the Palestinians do not have to comply with " International Law". Just more proof it doesn't exist.

 

[proudveteran06]

Israel will not allow that to happen.

But the Palestinians will

You're incredibly biased...

Who have the Palestinians rejected participation in the peace talks?

Tell us what contributions, suggestions, solutions they have made.

 

[jillian]

There are not, and there never were, any "1967 borders." Those are just the 1949 armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries.

So what is this flap about Hamas not recognizing them?

A change of tune tinman after demanding the world recognises the pre 67 borders. The fact is the UN stated at the same time as they said the armistice lines were not borders that the parties had to negotiate a settlement and mutually agreed borders.

So were are the Palestinians attempts at negotiating those borders ?

I have never recognized the so called '67 borders.

The Palestinians do not have to negotiate borders.

did anyone ever say they care what you recognize?

didn't think so.